Aetherous

I have the guts to not pretend that I'm modest, and weaken myself where I am not weak. And the guts to take responsibility for my power, and not put other human beings on a pedestal above me. Does that make me a master? Well, I also have the guts to admit when someone is more admirable than myself in one way or another...and that I am totally imperfect and human.

Thanks for your accurate descriptions of immortals here, flowing hands.

If I remember correctly, he was charging 10 grand for that course. GOOD RIDDANCE!

Phosphor, That was one of the most interesting posts I've seen here in a while. Looking forward to your future contributions.

1. Max... 2. Daniel Odier...although haven't met him personally. I like what his website says. 3. Ya Mu...his healing methods interest me. 4. A friend named HR...not human resources. 5.

Word.

"Put a muzzle" on me? I'm "out of control" and a "loose cannon"? I'm not capable of acting with some "sanity"? I need to be "leashed"? Chill out, dude. You're being just as offensive if not more so, when I am saying I'm ready to move on and let it go. So your post is getting reported, for the moderator's record of this ridiculous incident. I fully stand behind every single thing I said of your status as a teacher and your products. I do not say this to be personally offensive...but say it because I think it's absolutely true, and because your elaboration on each point was completely meaningless to me. Your points did not refute anything I said in any way. I hope you find some peace in your life, and not let people who disagree with you bother you so much. This is clearly not my issue, but your own...I think you recognize this, and are prepared to take action about it...so, best of luck in that regard. No one can go through life without some criticism. Edit: I am operating here under the assumption that this is actually the case...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2vOqPiihWc

LOL thanks for the compliment. I do really think it's a simple misunderstanding...or if it's even a story, it's not worth calling someone a "liar" about! That's quite harsh...and maybe is against forum rules when it's just your opinion? Not going to report you, just saying (with all that's been going on the past day or two).

The ears are totally different.

Also something to take into consideration... My view is that fiveelementtao felt like he was justified in flipping out on me, or that he could get away with it, due to my history with the moderation team. That stuff is in the past, right? I think we're all trying to move forward, and get past these little disputes. Work it out ourselves. I eventually ended up doing my time back then with a 7 day suspension. At least personally, I'm trying to be a good member here, and not trying to mess with the mod team or be an insulting/destructive presence. So anyway, that's that.

Apech, Were you calling 5ET a liar and cheat ... or not? Okay, I am attempting to move on from what I consider to be a minor incident of bickering between two decent human beings/taobums...so... Not really. He has essentially admitted in the past that his celestial neigong is very watered down and that his teutonic stuff is made up and not authentic. He has also essentially admitted that he teaches without permission from Sifu Hata. This is something people should know regarding him...but it's also not a huge deal to teach without permission. Anyone can be a teacher if they decide to. I also don't consider it stealing or cheating Max's Kunlun (despite using that terminology), by lifting the essentials from the basic version of red phoenix 2. He was trying to create something good based on another decent method...and is not trying to be a Kunlun teacher without permission. He doesn't credit the exact source, but oh well. I said "stealing" at the time because I was sick of his unwarranted emotional outbursts. He was being compared to Max when I made this post, who people were saying didn't credit Jenny for yigong/kunlun...so it was pertinent to the discussion. A poster said that 5elementtao was very honest, and I disagreed based on that evidence I presented. I also really disagreed with an uncertified teacher like him being compared to a very legitimate teacher, as if their systems are on the same level of quality. I think there may be a bit of personal dishonesty regarding the ancient symbols and ancestor spirits guiding him...was he deliberately lying about it? I don't think so...he seems to believe in it. So a liar and a cheat? No, I didn't call him those things. But I did say what I said regarding his status as a teacher and the quality and content of his products. I think what I said is absolutely true, and not slanderous. It will not harm his reputation any more than his own attitude and conduct will. I think people should know about some of it (like how his teacher has not given him permission)...and that we should feel free to discuss the qualities of teachers and their products (as long as it's not insulting the person), without being threatened with lawsuits, moderation action, personal vendettas against us, etc. That is not the type of conduct that teachers should bring to this forum.

Truly, it has been sad to see that kind of shit here. Kind of like your post which started this... Listen, I don't wish to uphold negativity towards you...the lines have been drawn between us. So there it is. We can either erase them and move forward like spiritual practitioners, or even just adults...or you can stay on your path of trying to get me banned for telling the truth about your products (that's what they are)...and we can just agree to be not cool with each other. Your choice as always. If I get suspended or whatever for speaking the truth about your products, so be it. You will have apparently done the "right thing", in your own terminology. If something happens, I hope the moderators make clear what exactly is allowed here regarding the posting of negative (yet true) things about teachers.

So your point is that teachers can sue this forum for allowing content that is slanderous towards them? HMMMMMM. Anyway, got it. Peace out.

Duh. You are suggesting that he (could/should) file a lawsuit against me! I take that as a threat.

I do agree with you about that principle... But threatening me with a lawsuit is not cool. Maybe that's worthy of moderation. Your post is getting reported.

Yes, and the mods apparently decided that telling the truth about a teacher and their product is not worthy of moderation! For every other teacher here, this is not an issue...even when false things are said regarding them. But just because a teacher frequents this forum, nothing negative can be said of them?

My review was educated by having trained in Kunlun, and having bought a couple of Michael Denny's products. My statements regarding him are actually proven, if you were paying attention. ALSO: I don't take kindly to threats of lawsuit. That would incredibly harm me, since I am a student in a lot of debt already. Chill the fuck out, people.

Me too. Maybe sometime he will be near ya, and you can see what he's really like. I don't think you're delusional.

witch, If you saw Max in person you'd have a different experience. He doesn't drain anyone at all. Even naughty witches.

Something to consider is that controlling is what causes problems with qi flow. So the best way to control your qi, is to totally abandon your control and let go. For instance, something doesn't feel right on the left side? Let it go! The body heals itself...especially with relaxation and positive emotional states. And yes like OldGreen said, qi follows the mind. A practical way to consider this is: what you wish to do with your qi, simply do with your mind, and trust that the qi is doing it. For instance, if you wish to: circulate the qi, collect it in an area, to create a specific type of qi like watery or firey, etc. Just do whatever it is with your mind, and soon enough you will be able to notice the difference in your qi. I'd stick with safe, legitimate, recommended methods.

5et, My verification is knowing rp2, and seeing your method clearly on youtube. You even use the terminology that Max uses, "cool mist", in your book! I never admitted I have no verification; in fact I stated the opposite. It's all right there for people who search this forum, and who have purchased your products. Oh...lets not talk about the truth regarding your "lineage" then, if it hurts too much for you. With all other teachers, this is fair game...but with you I guess we should make an exception and keep it a secret from those who are seeking real spiritual practices. Hmm... If you want people to be considerate of you, Michael, be considerate of them first. In fact, more important is to be considerate of your actions (for instance, the action of stealing a method...or the action of duping people who are honestly seeking the real thing). "Consideration" is something great to cultivate. "When you point your finger, there are three pointing back at you." Look who's talking, man! By the way, I'm going to report this post of yours too, for being slanderous. Saying someone has no conscience is quite the jab, and is absolutely not true. Do you need me to copy and paste your flip out post here?

Sounds good to me.

I predict this thread will die down by the year 2012. Yo...yea I took the course and had a certification for a while.