Aetherous

Why don't you just make your own topic? This is a KAP thread.

"Dark" is "Hugo"...a member who has had several different names here. He always communicates in this way.

There needed to be a nada yoga thread here! http://www.yogameditation.com/articles/iss...du_10/nada_yoga ... From the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, chapter 4: 64. I will describe now the practice of anahata nada, as propounded by Goraksa Natha, for the benefit of those who are unable to understand the principles of knowledge -- a method, which is liked by the ignorant also. 65. Adinatha propounded 1 1/4 crore methods of trance, and they are all extant. Of these, the hearing of the anahata nada is the only one, the chief, in my opinion. 66. Sitting with Mukta asana and with the Sambhavi Mudra, the Yogi should hear the sound inside his right ear, with collected mind. 67. The ears, the eyes, the nose, and the mouth should be closed and then the clear sound is heard in the passage of the Susumna which has been cleansed of all its impurities. 68. In all the Yogas, there are four states: (1) arambha or the preliminary, (2) Ghata, or the state of a jar, (3) Parichaya (known), (4) nispatti (consummate). Arambha Avastha 69. When the Brahma granthi (in the heart) is pierced through by Pranayama, then a sort of happiness is experienced in the vacuum of the heart, and the anahat sounds, like various tinkling sounds of ornaments, are heard in the body. 70. In the arambha, a Yogi's body becomes divine, glowing, healthy, and emits a divine smell. The whole of his heart becomes void. The Ghata Avastha 71. In the second stage, the airs are united into one and begun moving in the middle channel. The Yogi's posture becomes firm, and he becomes wise like a god. 72. By this means the Visnu knot (in the throat) is pierced which is indicated by highest pleasure experienced, and then the Bheri sound (like the beating of a kettle drum) is evolved in the vacuum in the throat. The Parichaya Avastha 73. In the third stage, the sound of a drum is known to arise in the Sunya between the eyebrows, and then the Vayu goes to the Mahasunya, which is the home of all the siddhis. 74. Conquering, then, the pleasures of the mind, ecstasy is spontaneously produced which is devoid of evils, pains, old age, disease, hunger and sleep. 75. When the Rudra granthi is pierced, and the air enters the seat of the Lord (the space between the eyebrows), then the perfect sound like that of a flute is produced. 76. The union of the mind and the sound is called the Raja-Yoga. The (real) Yogi becomes the creator and destroyer of the universe, like God. 77. Perpetual Happiness is achieved by this; I do not care if the mukti be not attained. This happiness, resulting from absorption (in Brama), is obtained by means of Raja-Yoga. 78. Those who are ignorant of the Raja-Yoga and practice only the Hatha-Yoga, will, in my opinion, waste their energy fruitlessly. 79. Contemplation on the space between the eyebrows is, in my opinion, best for accomplishing soon the Unmani state. For people of small intellect, it is a very easy method for obtaining perfection in the Raja-Yoga. The Laya produced by nada, at once gives experience (of spiritual powers). 80. The happiness which increases in the hearts of Yogiswaras, who have gained success in Samadhi by means of attention to the nada, is beyond description, and is known to Sri Guru Natha alone. 81. The sound which a muni hears by closing his ears with his fingers, should be heard attentively, till the mind becomes steady in it. 82. By practicing with this nada, all other external sounds are stopped. The Yogi becomes happy by overcoming all distractions within 15 days. 83. In the beginning, the sounds heard are of great variety and very loud; but, as the practice increases, they become more and more subtle. 84. In the first stage, the sounds are surging, thundering like the beating of kettle drums and jingling ones. In the intermediate stage, they are like those produced by conch, Mridanga, bells, &c. 85. In the last stage, the sounds resemble those from tinklets, flute, Vina, bee, &c. These various kinds of sounds are heard as being produced in the body. 86. Though hearing loud sounds like those of thunder, kettle drums, &c., one should practice with the subtle sounds also. 87. Leaving the loudest, taking up the subtle one, and leaving the subtle one, taking up the loudest, thus practicing, the distracted mind does not wander elsewhere. 88. Wherever the mind attaches itself first, it becomes steady there; and when it becomes absorbed in it. 89. Just as a bee, drinking sweet juice, does not care for the smell of the flower; so the mind, absorbed in the nada, does not desire the objects of enjoyment. 90. The mind, like an elephant habituated to wander in the garden of enjoyments, is capable of being controlled by the sharp goad of anahata nada. 91. The mind, captivated in the snare of nada, gives up all its activity; and, like a bird with clipped wings, becomes calm at once. 92. Those desirous of the kingdom of Yoga, should take up the practice of hearing the anahata nada, with mind collected and free from all cares. 93. Nada is the snare for catching the mind; and, when it is caught like a deer, it can be killed also like it. 94. Nada is the bolt of the stable door for the horse (the minds of the Yogis). A Yogi should determine to practice constantly in the hearing of the nada sounds. 95. Mind gets the properties of calcined mercury. When deprived of its unsteadiness it is calcined, combined with the sulphur of nada, and then it roams like it in the supportless akasa or Brahma. 96. The mind is like a serpent, forgetting all its unsteadiness by hearing the nada, it does not run away anywhere. 97. The fire, catching firewood, is extinguished along with it (after burning it up); and so the mind also, working with the nada, becomes latent along with it. 98. The antahkarana (mind), like a deer, becomes absorbed and motionless on hearing the sound of bells, etc.; and then it is very easy for an expert archer to kill it. 99. The knowable interpenetrates the anahata sound when it is heard, and the mind interpenetrates the knowable. The mind becomes absorbed there, which is the seat of the all-pervading, almighty Lord. 100. So long as the sounds continue, there is the idea of akasa. When they disappear, then it is called Para Brahma, Paramatmana. 101. Whatever is heard in the form of nada, is the sakti (power). That which is formless, the final state of the Tatwas, is the Parameswara.

Wow, just my luck, I was at the bookstore and stumbled upon an excellent book written by a nada/swara yogi. Just when I thought there wasn't much info out there... Microchakras by Sri Shyamji Bhatnagar

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That was pretty cool, Kate.

If you're doing a qigong movement, it works just as well if you imagine/feel your arm moving. It's truly not a problem.

Huh? I hope she's okay?

Lino, Having shortcomings is one thing, but lying about who you are in full awareness is something else. His behavior is ridiculous for a teacher of his tradition...especially when on his website, it says the following: "Spiritual growth is emotional growth, being spiritually advanced is being emotionally mature." Apparently his tradition doesn't bring spiritual growth. So in my eyes, he has completely disgraced it, and himself. ...I don't know what you mean about costing me anything? This has nothing to do with me.

Welcome! Max stopped giving seminars...now is the time when we cultivate the art silently.

When you feel a negative emotion, regard it as energy. Feel what it's like. Then do lower DT breathing, focusing on expanding all sides of the abdomen like a balloon. The emotion will easily transform into pure energy. If an emotion is too strong, you should exercise first.

The eye pressing isn't even energy transmission. It's just a way of shutting off outward vision and opening inner vision. You can do it to yourself.

Wow, so you are Steve. Due to your behavior here, the Tien Shan tradition has been completely disgraced.

It is just my opinion.

Hmm, maybe I didn't emphasize dan tien breathing enough?

If Tien Shan isn't being taught publicly, then who really cares? Why is it being discussed in the KAP topic? It may be a great system (who knows), but it's serving no one here. So why even talk about it?

It seems that my ratio has evened out a bit more. This thing is really great for insomnia. I had been staying up til like 2 am for a long time, and then had to get up at 6 am for a couple of days, so I was forced to go to bed earlier. Started at 9 pm, and I was passing out at like 75 points. Slept like a baby. Following the triangles and squares too much doesn't give as good of scores as just breathing naturally. It seems easier to tell what's natural when you've got a machine telling you what to do...then my breath says, "No thanks, Mr. Triangle, I want to keep inhaling!" Just following the body's own rhythm seems to produce the best scores...so really the device isn't needed if you know what feels natural and just follow that. There's a kinesthetic feeling of integration after you've been getting 3s for a while. Like the brain finally links with the diaphragm. Totally awesome.

It'd be best to start with dan tien breathing. You can find instructions on google. Do it for 20 minutes morning and evening. Keep it very relaxed and flowing. While you're engaged in this practice for a few months (or longer), you can have more time to look at all the choices out there and see what seems good. Or you could just continue with the breath and achieve quite a bit on your own.

Nicholas Roerich painting.

"Keep going."

From http://www.yogichen.org/cw/cw28/bk030.html

Enjoying this technique a lot...even though I don't think I'm totally ready for it. I have been trying to find more info on it, but it's rare to find anything real on the anahata nada...most "nada yoga" seems to be about Indian music or is just quoting the same stuff over and over. One interesting thing is the connection with Bill Bodri's idea of the buddharandhra, at the back of the head. I'd say more, but I'm exhausted after having dealt with car problems all day yesterday.

Baolin Wu's Qigong for Total Wellness. It's the only book I don't regret buying at all.

I like Adio skateboarding shoes. They are comfy, yet good for zhan zhuang. Found some for cheap on this website, although I always buy them in a skate shop and try them on first. http://www.buyskateshoes.com/catalog/detail/wGnPL