Aetherous

This is kind of semantics, but what you're saying is essentially untrue. Something is only "toxic" when it's an amount that causes harm...if it's not causing harm, then how can it be called "toxic"? Let's say if someone has 5 drops of vodka - absolutely nothing bad is going to happen to them. Yes, there are healthy dosages of all of those things. I mean, unless a person has celiac disease and can't have typical bread...then they probably can't handle any sort of dose.

In terms of "toxicity", dosage has to be taken into account. Even water, which is healthy for the body, can be deadly if you have enough of it in a certain amount of time. Sugar is the current enemy of the diet industry. But in smaller doses, it benefits the body. Every person is different. For some, they may not even benefit from sugar and have bad effects from taking any. For others, they may need it. For the person who needs it, if they take the right amount, it's not toxic but is good for them. Same with any other thing that people normally ingest. All of this is in the realm of foods, which are generally "non-toxic"...people can eat them every day and live a relatively long healthy life. But there are substances out there where if you take a couple of grams of it, it's life threatening...now that's real toxicity.

I recall the books by Li Hongzhi being very culty and weird. It was more like a religion than a form of qigong. Here's what looks to be an official summary of Falun Dafa. No offense meant to people like you who enjoy practicing this, but when things involve unique beliefs rather than simply a physical exercise (such as belief in an intelligent entity called a Falun, which is implanted into your lower abdomen by the master, Li Hongzhi), it can be defined as a "cult" by some people.

I'm not all that psychic, but from what I'm taught I think the biggest key is living a pure life. Purify your home by always having it clean. Purify your body, through bathing, a very clean diet (as little meat as possible), making sure your bowel movements are normal. Maybe getting basti enemas. Purify your spirit through prayer, shunning any negativity in your life and in your reactions, practicing spiritual disciplines and being dedicated to that. Your mind through meditations which bring clarity and peace. Your location, by not living near other people. Etc. You have to learn from spiritual teachers, and diligently practice what they say, and there might be methods that are specific to developing abilities, or it might just be a side effect of doing all of this together. Don't believe everyone who says they have abilities, and question what you hear about this stuff. Your experience is what's true for you, not some tall tales.

When it's deficient. Chinese Medicine practitioners perceive blood deficiency in the pulse, tongue, and with signs and symptoms. Or people can do the folk medicine and longevity approach, where they just continually nourish their blood regardless of whether they need to or not. There's something to be said for that, too. Sometimes practitioners do cyclical treatments, where they follow the rhythm of the body, and nourish blood after the period is over. Postpartum is considered the worst time of deficiency, no matter what.

I'll have to test that idea out.

I'm super interested if you can share what they said about it.

If you have thoroughly sought out the truth, and tested it in every way, then you have no reason to doubt your position. There's no such thing as a 100% smart person, so whoever takes the contrary position might be wrong. You could question them to see their reasoning, and maybe learn something you hadn't thought of. Other than that, doubting yourself is a weakness.

From my perspective, most other people in that thread for some odd reason jumped on the wrong bandwagon. Sometimes the social tide just starts going in a certain direction, and it's not right but it's the way a number of people go. I viewed them as behaving very strangely in that moment, too. Maybe one of these days I'll think about trying this sacred secretion thing. I tend to question the necessity of that specific timing, and still wonder about how people came up with this method or where it was really from... but it sounds like you've gotten some good experience with implementing this so far.

It seems like he's using the term elemental in a unique way. Here's the typical understanding of an "elemental": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elemental As far as I know, they're not created by human beings at all. Another name would be used for what people create, such as: thought form, tulpa, double, etc. But elementals are said to be spirits/creatures of the four elements. I don't have experience with them. ... Also, in terms of anyone I personally know who sees things...they mostly either speak of ghosts, or their guides, and auras. Maybe they're full of shit and are just making up having the ability to see these things...perhaps with true sight, a person would be aware of these other classes of beings like elementals. I don't know!

What's everyone doing these days? Any new stuff on the spiritual marketplace? Any stuff that isn't talked about often? Any new teachers out there? Does anyone here not have a practice?

If the US, I hope his life is protected while being held; and if he's convicted, he better get a pardon. In fact, I was surprised that they were arresting him and that he wasn't simply killed. Certainly, there are many people who want him dead. There was a lot of strange activity outside of the embassy for days prior to his arrest (if you follow Cassandra Fairbanks)...perhaps the good guys were ensuring that the bad guys couldn't get to him, and perhaps this is a protective move. Or perhaps I'm too much of an optimist.

Something I forgot to mention...this isn't a formal practice, but I usually do some jin shin jyutsu self-help holds to clear various issues. A couple of months ago I started to have a twitch in my inner right calf muscle. I was trying to figure it out, taking magnesium, taking herbs like shaoyao gancao tang. Acupuncture (on BL-60, KD-3, KD-9, BL-57, BL-40) sometimes would help a little bit...probably the most out of anything I tried, but the issue would still come back the next day. One day I spontaneously had the idea to do the final pose of the "main central" practice of jin shin jyutsu. This is where the left hand is on the pubic bone, and the right hand is on the sacrum/coccyx. I thought maybe if the twitch was related to the nerve roots exiting the spine, then maybe that area needed some healing. It helped get rid of the weird twitch by 99%. Perhaps if I had acupuncture done on me at the sacrum coccyx area, it would've been even more effective...but jin shin jyutsu can be very effective if it's the right area that's being worked on. The trick is to know what's right to do in the moment. Kunlun flying needles!

I often try to analyze what different postures do, not from any particular teaching's perspective. Here's what I think about this one: It's utilizing the throat and mouth level, corresponding to all issues related to speech and communication (can be anything related to that - even communication of qi throughout one's own body, or even becoming better at keeping our word). Hands in prayer posture, with the fingers pointed up - so there's a going inward to the center (inner self), a joining of polarities of left and right, as well as an uplifting effect related to the throat and the center (due to the fingers directing qi upward). The wrists are very extended, which I think opens up our energy, or "opens you up" to the outside world (think about an introverted person with their shoulders slouched forward, their arms crossed, fingers closed and wrists bent in...versus someone who is smiling with open gestures, and wrists extended open). The elbows are bent at a severe angle, which I think creates a kind of false blockage, so that once energy is flowing through there it flows through faster (similar to if you ever went down a waterslide, when you hit a point that curves, you speed up)...causing qi to flow through the arms to the hands more strongly once the exercise is done. Feet are on the ground at roughly shoulder width, so it's cultivating the person's ability to "stand their ground" and "stand on their own two feet", and increases/raises qi. Eyes are closed so the effect is more internal. I imagine it's helpful for someone to practice who has to deal with a lot of situations they really hate to be in, where they feel like their throat tightens up as a result of feeling stuck and not free. Doing the posture might change their life situation, because they'd have more inner strength to be who they want to be and do what they want to do, and they'd be more likely to speak their mind honestly.

I wasn't calling you uninformed, my friend...I meant people who would call qigong practitioners Nazis.

Falun Dafa is/was a cult, with a delusional teacher and teaching. It strikes me energetically as messing up people's qi, but that's just my personal impression of it. Unfortunately, the Chinese government was killing a lot of Falun Dafa practitioners. Very horrible. I don't know if that still happens today. This is a really strange thing to think about in our enlightened information age, when we come from societies in which we're free to practice any religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong The swastika was an Eastern symbol long before the Nazis used it. The Nazi version is often reversed and on its edge (like in the shape of a diamond), whereas the real version is often on its side (like in the shape of a square)...but not always. It's a symbol that has something to do with the big dipper revolving around the pole star, and it signifies good fortune among other things. It doesn't stop meaning what it does just because the Nazis used it, but it is problematic if it's viewed by the uninformed, and is misunderstood.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/11/mike-dewine-ohio-governor-signs-heartbeat-abortion/?fbclid=IwAR3r6BFZeT2gK5OHcIbEVhMsSuqf5tVV4fnUlBnGh4AbUes04QwpFEOJ2Vk This will probably be stopped, but yay for legislators recognizing that a heartbeat is a sign of a unique human life!

Just personally, I think experienced people have a duty to stick around and contribute what they know to discussions; and I think they should become capable of rising above reacting to others, and instead - live intentionally. Anyone who's been here for a short while knows how to take a break from the forum if they need it, and then return and enjoy the place again. We're all human and get pissed at the ignorance of others every now and then...but with time and experience in dealing with this, and with spiritual disciplines, I think we can become better at it. Seems to me like trolls don't go away even if everyone is ignoring them. The smallest bit of attention feeds them, but being ban hammered starves them. I was once banned, and as a condition of returning I said that I wouldn't question moderator decisions again (in addition to behaving better). I believe in the capacity for anyone to reform themselves...but also believe in the enforcement of forum rules, for the sake of maintaining a certain level of quality here. But in stating this, as I just said - I'm not questioning anything mods decide on this topic. What they do is final, as far as this forum is concerned.

I've reported this for a TOS violation.

And the entire forum vanished suddenly!

I think the troll found himself.

In the Chinese guy's video, he would psychically scan the person to find out what was wrong, as well as to determine if what he did was adequate in resolving an issue. Also, he did the method of breathing onto others (and refers to himself as having a medicine body, and connecting to a higher form of qi). Both of these things aren't part of "massage" whatsoever. If you look at his youtube channel for other videos, you can see him doing these types of healings on men as well, doing them at a distance through photographs, and you can also see that he's married and works on his wife...all evidence which points away from him just being some horny dude. But our cultural programming does certainly make us jump to such conclusions rather easily. I won't waste further time debating what you said, if you want to continue saying it. I'll just keep using this thread to share or discuss videos of strange healing methods.

Wrong.

Wrong.