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  3. Posted

    On 19-3-2019 at 10:07 PM, Aetherous said:

    @Harmen, I wonder if you could video record the Chicago yijing diagnosis seminar, and then have it available along with the workbook for people to purchase online? I'd like to attend but don't think I'll be able to, and am interested in the info. Thanks!

    I am sorry, I don't have the equipment to make a recording :-( . I find the workbook as it is not very useful for self study. So I am working an an expanded version that I hope to finish in about a year or so.

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    Atlanta:

    - Lecture 'Symbols of the I Ching: Their Origin and Today's Application', March 16 (http://www.jungatlanta.com/schedule-mesker.html)

     

    New York:

    - Lecture 'Reading the I Ching: working with the magical symbols from the Chinese Book of Changes', March 21, Catland Books NYC (https://www.catlandbooks.com/events-calendar/2019/3/21/reading-the-i-ching-working-with-the-magical-symbols-from-the-chinese-book-of-changes)

    - 2-day Yijing Workshop Intensive, March 23-24 (https://www.yjcn.nl/wp/2-day-yijing-workshop-intensive-new-york/ )

     

    Chicago:

    - Yijing Workshop, March 29 (https://www.yjcn.nl/wp/yijing-workshop-chicago/ )

    - Workshop 'Practical Application of the Book of Changes as a Tool for Diagnosis in Chinese Medicine', March 30 & 31 (https://www.yjcn.nl/wp/workshop-practical-application-of-the-book-of-changes-as-a-tool-for-diagnosis-in-chinese-medicine-chicago/ )

     

    Looking forward to meet you!

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    Continuing from this post and the relevant responses:

     

    3 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

    I have not researched it so I will take yr word for it. Does it have a phonetic? Can it be found here?

    http://kjc-sv016.kjc.uni-heidelberg.de:8080/exist/apps/jiaguwen/search.html

     

    I would not know how to input a character that is not in use any more, nor would I know if it has a phonetic. But you can find it in the sources that I researched back in 2008 and that I mention in my article: "What we do know is that beams.gif is the name of a certain sacrifice (甲骨文字典, p. 995; 新編甲骨文字典, p. 528)." Most research on this character is summarized in 古文字诂林, Vol. 8, p. 53-57.

     

    I wrote the article in 2008 and maybe there are new developments that I am not yet aware of. I do however maintain that 易 is not composed of both the characters 日 and 月. The oldest forms do not show 日 but they do show 月 as a component.

     

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    18 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

     

     

    beams.gif this part is not a stand-alone character, but rather a part of the moon character.

     

    Ah, but beams.gif is (also) a stand-alone character, as can be seen on the oracle bones. 

     

    18 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

    The latter was borrowed to signify change because moon's shape is changeable (as opposed to sun's).

     

    So you are saying that 月 together with 彡 is used to signify 'change'? I can live with that. I believe that is also what I am saying in my article: "  yi-ob-small.gif refers to an offering to the moon, or at least in the dark, to get the sun back. Yi 易 could have been a sacrifice to the ancestors or spirits (indicated by beams.gif) during the evening or in the night (indicated by moonwithoutdot.gif) to make sure that the sun is returning, that it is 'given' by the ancestors or spirits."

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    2 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

    I  read the article. I have been taught by a taoist preist and we have to apply the principles so it is not mental chatter and ineffective. 

     

    The article seems speculative and grasping at straws for alternative meaning. Maybe this will help with the author of the links confusion.

     

    Since the ‘Yi’ reflects the changes of the sun and the moon, the transformations of the universe, and the shifts in the human world, its transformations are limitless and infinite. etc.

     

    You can get all philosophical here but you can't ignore the fact that the character 易 (after all that is what you were talking about) was never made of 日 and 月. I give sources that substantiate that. There is nothing 'speculative' about that. See the examples in the 古文字诂林, Vol. 8. p 435-443 if you don't believe me. See attachment.

    易 in Guwenzi Gulin.pdf

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    10 minutes ago, ernobe said:

    Thanks Harmen.  On page 215, note 58, it says:

     

     

    To this can be added that the names of the planets themselves are identical with that of the elemental phases.  And if they were worshipped as gods, that itself could account for their correlations with the seasons and directions.  Elsewhere (p. 212) there is evidence for these correlations from the Bronze Age (circa 5000 B.C.).

     

     

    I have attached Major's article so that the quote can be read in its entire context.

    Myth, Cosmology, and the Origins of Chinese Science - Major.pdf

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    8 hours ago, ernobe said:

    According to Thomas Cleary, Liu Yiming (18th century) also relates Gen to the "inactive" quality of water (see "I Ching Mandalas").

     

    Can you give me the page number? I can't find it.

     

    8 hours ago, ernobe said:

    I wonder if it has any information on the Luo Shu diagram and the Latter Heaven trigram arrangement.

     

    No. The Yizhuan is nothing more than a commentary on the hexagrams from Jing's Ba Gong perspective. It is in the text that the link with the trigrams is explicitly made, see here https://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hant/京氏易傳

     

    I have a book that contains other works attributed to Jing Fang but in neither of them I can find references to the Luoshu or Houtian Bagua.

     

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    3 minutes ago, ernobe said:

    But isn't it true that, contrary to Needhams's opinion, his opinion is that the first occurrence was in the eleventh century A.D. with Liu Mu?

    Yes.

    9 minutes ago, ernobe said:

    I don't remember such complete correlations between trigrams and elements from the Shifa either.

    The correlations appear to be different. See for instance section 11.2 strips 17– 18 (p. 103 in Stalk Divination) where Gen is given Wuxing Water.

     

    Maybe the earliest correlation is found in the Yizhuan 易傳 by Jing Fang 京方. 

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    Bent Nielsen says,

     

    The earliest known textual evidence for a correlation of the phases and the trigrams occurs in the eleventh-century Yishu Gouyintu 《易數鉤隱圖》, Outlining the Secret Diagrams of the Numbers of the Changes, by Liu Mu: 

     

    As to the five phases becoming numbers, water’s number is six, metal’s number is nine, fire’s number is seven, and wood’s number is eight. Water resides in Kan and produces Qian. Metal resides in Dui and produces Kun. Fire resides in Li and produces Xun. Wood resides in Zhen and produces Gen. [Kan, Dui, Li, and Zhen] already reside in the four corners and produce Qian, Kun, Gen, and Xun. Collectively, they make up the eight trigrams.

    'Cycles and sequences of the eight trigrams', Journal of Chinese Philosophy 41:1-2 (March–June 2014) p. 134

     

    Although this might be the earliest full description of the trigrams & Wuxing correlation, that doesn't mean that the correlation was not made earlier. In the Shifa manuscript dated around 350BC the Wuxing are already used with the trigrams. See C. A. Cook and Zhao Lu, Stalk Divination: A Newly Discovered Alternative to the I Ching. 

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    5 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

    Absolute male indicates that he is straight and has no gay tendencies.

     

     

     

    It is interesting that you can answer for someone else.... But okay, so 'absolute male' is defined by feelings & sexual orientation? There is no physical component part of the definition?

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    2 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

     

    "Thing" HAS YinYang - polarity.

     

    Doesn't depend on point of view.

     

    It seems we have a different point of view on this :)