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I agree with you 100% on the attachment thing. That is the point I was attempting to make that you did much better. I also agree with your statment regarding the fact that for each person there is a different path. I disagree with this though. You do not need to be a believer or non believer to say something that affects the physical world happened, or didn't happen. Either somebody flew through the air or they didn't, light things on fire or not, create electric shocks, etc. All of these things are testable. I'm not talking about things that are not testable; I'm only talking about the claims that should be testable under any normal circumstances. Many of these types of things people have claimed to see in these forums. I think there would be a lot of people in the world that would care very much if these things were possible. Myself included.

Thank you for your comments. I hope others in this forum take note, especially the younger and more vulnerable members. Just because a "master" appears to perform miraculous feats, or say they can, please look at this objectively and don't be afraid to ask for proof. As Wayfarer64 has implied, and I repeat... These "special powers" are not the endgame of Eastern philosophies. In Zen they are looked at as a distracting side effect not to be reveled in. Real practice is getting yourself on a meditation mat day in and day out.

Apart from the fact that I would still require proof that these supernatural powers do in fact exist and whatever that stuff about Mr. Denty's Candy-apple stand is, I agree with you for the most part. Anybody who undertakes a practice in order to gain these abilities will be going in the wrong direction and will end up further from the Truth and ultimate understanding then ever before. Are you callig me a Shill (of James Randi?) for asking for scientific proof? I would still like for just one member of this forum to explain in detial one of these supernatural encouters and if the encounter can be repeated under controlled circumstances. I do not need any sort of explaination, only repeatable proof. Is there anybody out there that agrees with me in the slightest?

Okay, if you don't like James Randi, then try a challenge that does not involve him listed under "Similar offers" on this webpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi_E...onal_Foundation Can you please tell me what experiance you've had with these supernatural forces? How is it helpful if you sense this external chi or see auras? Can you please tell me how you would design an objective test to prove these things are happening?

I've sent an email regarding this to [email protected] (found on the website). I will post any response I recieve. Have you yourself ever asked your teacher or have you witnessed a supernatural feat? Do you intend someday to achieve this level of understanding?

Wow. You're right. In your lineage I guess you can attain great stuff... http://www.dzogchenlineage.org/faq.html Says: "Can modern day practitioners receive blessings from the Dzogchen lineage masters, even though they lived so many years ago? Practitioners continue to receive the blessings of the Dzogchen Lineage up to this very day. In 1924 Khenchen Tsewang Rigdzin came to the Holy Dzogchen Area, met Vimalamitra, and directly received teachings and empowerments. He then meditated for many years and achieved high realization. Later, in 1958, while being taken to prison by the Chinese army, he flew into the sky and disappeared in front of everyone. In another instance, an ordinary Tibetan hunter, Sonam Namgyal, secretly practiced the Dzogchen Nyingthig for many years in the sacred Dzogchen area and, in 1952, attained Rainbow Body in front of thousands of people. In 1977, our Master, Dzogchen Khenpo Choga Rinpoche received powerful blessings from Guru Padmasambhava and then in 1984, he received blessings several times from Shri Singha." Flew into the sky! Amazing! So, you've must have seen all kinds of amazing stuff from the advanced pratictioners. Cany you give us details?

Please see my post today entitled: Looking for Proof of advanced taoist master's abilities... http://www.thetaobums.com/Looking-for-Proo...ties-t2668.html There is a controlled test for such claims.