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Hi Cedar Tree, Really nice to find someone responding/participating in his/her own thread. Why are you not a fruit tree? Because you reached Nirvana under a cedar tree? Are you Buddha's competitor - 'buddhistically'? Om Mane Padme Hum. - LimA

Hi Marblehead, I asked cliched questions but your responses are uniquely marbleheaded. Sure "less is easier". Like loosing weight - less to carry about. What will happen if we don't heed those "calls"? Sleeping but "awake"? Taoistically - living dead? But is bliss "bless"? So ignorance = unawareness, inexperience, illiteracy, unfamiliarity, obliviousness and witlessness. Or whatever the hell the rest is e.g. marbleheadedness? "Over-inflated ego" but totally barren 'eco'? Have you ever really come across a "well-balanced ego" besides yourself? Male/female? Young/old? Rich/poor? Once upon a time? ... You are you. - LimA

How about trying to be Kermit? He seems happy with no limit. I am now going out to throw parts of myself away without coming apart. Cheers. - LimA

Hi Marblehead, From the quote - less is more. We tend to realise thus after life-charging events? If so, why? Blissful ignorance and supercilious arrogance? - LimA

Many people do this? - LimA

Good morning Marblehead, All of us are results of the same. But we need to travel light by discarding burdens - step by step and bit by bit wuweilessly? Then we end with less for more enroute to the Void? - LimA

Hi again thelerner, Before I sleep, I would like to share the attached with you - outcomes of my discussions with Guru-ji. ZZZzzz.................... - LimA Revised SSCF models (A).pdf

Hi thelerner. Interestingly my discussions with Guru-ji pertain to transitions from the secular to the spiritual domains. Goodnight. - LimA

Hi Shiny, Like Marblehead, I would like to add a little on willpower. I have a Guru based in India. We have put our heads together thus: For fruition, we need to add these to willpower as a cyclic flow - knowledge and action. Shine on. - LimA

Hi Marblehead, ‘East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet’ pertains to these from Wikipedia: "The Ballad of East and West" is a poem by Rudyard Kipling. It was first published in 1889, and has been much collected and anthologised since. Its first line is often quoted, sometimes to ascribe racism to Kipling … Those who quote it thus often completely miss the third and fourth lines. The full refrain, with which the poem opens and closes, includes a contradiction of the opening line: Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat; But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth, When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth! This may be read as saying that 'it is indisputable that geographic points of the compass will never meet in this life, but that when two strong men [or equals] meet, the accidents of birth, whether of nationality, race, or family, do not matter at all ... the mutual respect such individuals have, each for the character, prowess, and integrity of the other, are their only criteria for judging and accepting one another. Any differences in ethnicity between such individuals are never even considered. From the above quotation from you, East has met West within you as flipsides holistically - in relation to root, trunk, branches, leaves and fruit. What deeming from a stoney head! My apple tree a subset of your "multicultural tree of life"? You are you - period. - LimA

Hi Marblehead, You are always easterly? East as in oriental? Your thoughts on: 'East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet'. - LimA

Hi Marblehead, I am now wandering off to sleep. It is passed 1am where I am now. Prior to that I will have some Chinese tea and scones. Evaluate strategically and safely. Good night. - LimA

Wondering as in evaluative preying?

Hi Marblehead, So you changed direction and journeyed East to become The Wondering Taoist? - LimA

Hi Marblehead, Sage Chuang Tzu will understand, no worries. Why? You are at this (s)age and stage of your life - enjoy your wisdom or lack of. You deserve it. - LimA

Hi Marblehead, Yes, a rose by any other names is still a rose. Have you Journeyed to the West? Of the foursome, who is your favourite fellow traveler? Why? - LimA

Hi Marblehead, But evaluating with preying eyes? Come on that's not wuwei but your way. - LimA

Hi Marblehead, A journey with milestones not cast in stone. Nice to have fellow travelers and not alone. Converse with care and share in civil tones Enjoying English afternoon tea with scones. Yes to variances with no contentious bones. Reaching out to with bridges and not zones. - LimA

Hi All, Now what TDB is all about (generally and evolving) can be thought of perceptibly in relation to its foundation on page #3, what is ahead at TDB? This question is not raised idealistically but ‘Taoistically’. ‘Taoistically’ = what? How will answers to the above two questions lead TDB forward wuweilessly? No right/wrong answers are expected or called. Why? To each his/her own best free embrace of Taoism. - LimA

Hi Kar3n, Thank you for this in response to my 'when TDB was founded' - "Best I can tell, 2004". My apology for wondering (blame Marblehead) and wandering off-track. Will toe back the line. I really like that I am disciplined - despite "unlimited love". Other Bums - take note. A great weekend. - LimA

Hi Kar3n, Please advise when was TDB founded. Thank you. - LimA

Hi Steve (aka Starjumper) You are one of the few others I have in mind. I have followed a few of your postings and these are felt - transparency, responsibility and accountability. Please keep up with the good stuff. They are quite new to me but I can feel you as a fruitful tree (e.g. dragon fruit). And my guts have reacted thus - Goodness! Golly! Blimey! Gosh! Gee! Wow! Heavens! & Oh my! You have guessed it correctly - I am spending this weekend at Thesaurus. It is a small hill resort quite unlike your refuge in Ecuador. We have electrical energy at night and I am not freaked out in Nature's darkness.. Thank you for your 'thank this'. - Anand

Good morning Kar3n, Perhaps the above quote will be clearer if we add in this word - just - thus: TDBs' social format is "cafeteria", not just "classroom". It's part of TDBs' premise that, broadly in culture, these two formats are necessary, distinct yet complementary. - LimA

Hi Kar3n, Thanks to you I have a chance to read the following: Posted September 24, 2013 ~ Welcome! ~ TheDàoBums is an open internet forum for the discussion of the internal arts. Outside the boundaries of any one tradition or school, though leaning toward eastern influenced thought and practices, it is eclectic, egalitarian and lively. Membership is free of cost (though donations are accepted). TDBs' Cultural Context and Founding Principles The purpose of this document is to concisely state the most fundamental framework principles that give TDBs its distinctive shape. This is not "all the rules, permutations, etc", just the steel beams. TDBs exists in the general field of "The Search for Truth". The usual organized formats (schools) for The Search tend to have: 1. focus exclusively within a school 2. hierachical learning structure, hierachical ability to speak TheDàoBums' founding principles form a deliberate cultural counter-point: 1. run independently of any school, which allows a more eclectic atmosphere 2. conversational learning, egalitarian ability for members to speak TDBs' social format is "cafeteria", not "classroom". It's part of TDBs' premise that, broadly in culture, these two formats are necessary, distinct yet complementary. TheDàoBums has a strong egalitarian ethic in that its whole purpose is to provide a civil very open context for member conversations. However, its governance structure is mostly top down; it's not a democracy. - admins - own / run the board - moderators - enforce rules - members - converse TDBs' Conversational Context: 1. At TDBs member participation in conversation is non-hierarchical. Meaning, members have equal ability to talk regardless of level of knowledge, achievement, or status / credentials of any kind. TDBs has an underlying ethic of valuing the communication of each person. 2. TDBs most basic rules about conversation are around civility (leaving enough flexibility for lively debate). A moderator's basic role is to moderate members' uncivility toward each other in conversation. Members support this process by 'reporting' offending posts. A fictional example of how 1&2 shake out: If there's a TDBs debate about music between Mozart vs a beginning piano player, and it becomes heated enough that reports are generated for moderator consideration then, still, "level of knowledge, achievement, or status" are not basis for moderation. Civility is, applied equally to each member. It's up to each member, not moderators, to sort out the truth (and other questions of quality) for themselves in conversation. Moderators just keep the conversation civil within reasonable limits. For issues of staff bias, members can contact the current admin. The staff (admins, moderators) also deserves and has protection against uncivility and against abuse of staff resources. Staff protection is enforced at the discretion of the admin. The admin also has broad discretion to protect the civility and resources of any aspect within TDBs e-community. Signed: Trunk (author) Sean (owner of TheDàoBums) Viator (admin) Dawei (admin) With thanks: steve, cheya, OldSaint, TheWhiteRabbit, Brian, gatito, Basher, joeblast, WuDao and BaguaKicksAss (September 2013) I am fine with the above in terms of transparency, responsibility and accountability - as a member of TDB. The highlighted words ring louder for me, especially those highlighted thus in this order - xxxx => xxxx. CIVILITY underlines TDB. Thanks again Kar3n. - LimA

Hi Brian + Marblehead, I will just do my best and forget the rest. Had passed hard tests with Taoist jest. To hell with the world + its many pests. Now leaving my loves and family nest. Heads it's heads, tails it's tails - LimA