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Looks like SSE closes at a loss ending at 2,777.77 on 7-11. DJI has been up a little.

That is to say, while I think many Americans don't have that understanding I think that some who emigrated from countries with such regimes and having lived under it might have something to offer to the overall perspective. And it's just a shame how many Americans in general have a limited understanding of geography and history.

I agree for the most part.

Well said and too fast for my edit.

Oh Putin is never getting that back. If anything partly because of same Chinese economic expansion, one belt one road and all. So the Putin and Xi friendship does have vulnerabilities.

Right, and they don't care about the Korea populace either. It's meaningful in as far as it is a buffer.

Exactly, hence speaking hypothetically In context of presenting these questions, especially when person in question in real scenario has no straight answers.

That's all fine and good. I've had family, family friends, friends, co-workers, bosses, classmates, general associates, etc. both conservative and liberal and I've never had political disputes with any one of them. Here's the thing. Putin and Xi are very cozy with one another in a personal way, more so than Trump is or can be with either one of them. To check China without addressing Russia is not strategically sound. So if Trump gets tough with China but is soft with Russia then it's almost as if the tough stance on China is not of use.

I agree, and this is something interesting to me as well. This also relates to a thought on my mind. Hypothetically, what of a Daoist or someone who claims to be who seems to say what is right for others to think or do. What of the same person doing so in a place or setting completely out of place for them? Can there be a question of concern over representation, proper or not, of Dao to those who have little to no experience or familiarity with it before, and therefore a potential risk of confusion or misrepresentation? What if it's towards political ends? What if it's towards destructive political ends at that? What if it's just a farce for those ends? If, having come across such and you were a Daoist would you feel any obligation to say or do anything, or at least be curious to examine?

I love kefir myself, thanks to all for this thread.

I am totally open to hearing views from a Chinese perspective. All in all I want better ties in the future with/for everyone, and I think allowing all sides their input is part of the process. It's hard to ignore historical and social forces though. As China and the US continue in their directions there's no way for them not to meet in some way at some point and it's a question of how that will be. I just want to try for the best without ignoring legitimate grievances as it is my impression that either side might ignore such grievances for the sake of profitability and/or complacency.

I've been reading the thread and I'm well aware of that. It's a shame really. I've seen it much worse on other forums but they don't have any pretenses to avoiding the low road, and the difference between there and here is what would make me have higher expectations and in turn resulting disappointment regarding these topics. Beyond there, there's some unusual similarities and coincidences I've pointed out that others display, or feign, ignorance about and so if no one is going to own up to that so be it, but it's not going away anytime soon.

Well thanks for not taking to heart what might have been offensive for some and making humor out of it instead. If I bust anyone's balls its not personal.

I like posts on breakfast foods a lot, I've been into pancakes and eggs a lot lately. Thanks all.

Egg cups are awesome, I like them for poached eggs a lot.

Oh back so soon, couldn't resist could you?

I'll take that as a sign of defeat on your part. Whenever you want to comment about Sutton and not me I'll be here.

You didn't say explicitly so to begin with let alone in some time. You seem to have gotten quite triggered by comments I made about conspiracy theorists and took it to heart. You responded with youtube videos and assumptions about my background when you know little to nothing about me. I apparently talk a lot but you comment day after day in the Talk Trump thread in long winded and meme ridden posts and antagonize your fellow forum members. You've been on this forum for years and probably doing much of the same whereas for so many years I stayed away from the internet almost completely. Nice try holmes but your techniques are as that of a dime a dozen and I've dealt with dozens as such already.

This reminds me of why it's been difficult for me to wrap my mind around the 4 Noble Truths of Buddhism. Hence my being Taoist and not Buddhist. My significant other is Buddhist though, and in the past we've argued a lot over Buddhism and Taoism, yielding a pain and suffering in itself. And yet through it all, I love them all the more so. Kind of ironic huh?

Oh, and for some of the things I posted today that I am not writing in explicit detail, maybe all in due time. However, consider that for the things I am saying which can be evidence for ongoing investigations keep in mind that it matters what said investigating authorities think, or perhaps the public at large. A handful of people on a forum? Not so much. Nice try though.

I suppose you already have forgotten pages 7 and 8 of this thread where I summarized in dry, and not flowery, language some of the principles behind Sutton's research. You'll have to excuse me for not spelling out word for word what he said and for leaving people to look and do the reading and research themselves. I suppose you also forgot how quickly you overlooked what I said on those pages, didn't address any of the information I posted about and instead jumped on an ad hominem bent as you are now. Memes aren't nearly the same as solid academic research. Sutton put his career on the line, put his face to his research. And Q? Keep providing me with laughs, homie.

I grew up eating meat in a very meat eating heavy environment. I went vegetarian nearly 10 years ago and managed to stick with it, primarily out of compassion for animals, secondarily for environmental reasons, thirdly for nutrition and cost. I would say spiritual reasons as well but I think that is encompassed in all three of those. My last meat meal was lobster at a family dinner. After I ate it I saw the live lobster in my mind's eye and it kind of shook me, as I had already contemplated making the switch for a while. I didn't make the switch gradually, I did it all cold turkey. It took me a while longer to find the balance of nutrition I needed though. What I can suggest is that having strong overriding reasons/principles can help stick with it. It didn't take long for me to not have any cravings for meat. The thing is though I am vegetarian and not vegan, I still have dairy regularly. I don't think I would go without dairy because for one my ancestry is heavy on dairy consumption so it's natural in my genes and two and more importantly it fits in my diet to complement physical routines, strength training, etc. and gives me the calcium I need. So yeah, principles and nutrition are key from my experience as well as observing others in similar situations.

Look, let me start with saying I know all about the whole cabal/NWO angle and at this point I don't take them so seriously anymore and I go off that with years and years of research, experiences, connections with relevant others, etc. So that angle is not going to phase or mean anything to me. As far as I am concerned they are in decline if not subdued. My angle is China, whosoever does not want to confront that I am not interested in hearing out. I already presented information that describes how Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, and now CCP China were all build up and modeled to fit the same paradigm of cabal/NWO agendas and no one seems to have the sense to look at it let alone comprehend or challenge it. Until someone does, I am not under belief that people understand where any of these events are going. Hegelian dialectics is real and the whole mess of the Talk Trump thread is one more demonstration of that. My not getting involved and watching and laughing at that fiasco is one more good demonstration of Wu Wei as well. As far as Clinton is concerned, I said I didn't support her, that I was ready to pounce on the China ties. I've said this to another conspiracy theory site administrator, who happens to use the same platform as this site, who tried to label me a shill for criticizing a nonsensical rant upon which them and their cronies all jumped me for a dozens of page long thread whereby single handedly I got them all to shut up and had the last word on the most fitting and opportune day possible. I made it clear to them then I had no partisan angle and they weren't having it at first because the kind of people that want to stir conflict often have no angle other than a partisan one to stir, and that doesn't work on people that don't follow it. Putin is corrupt, Putin kills his people in extrajudicial fashion, Putin desperately wants the Magnitsky act repealed, Putin is running out of options fast. I wouldn't placate Putin in any way just to have a thump over cabal/NWO when I already have it over them myself without him involved. My angle goes beyond current events, I am looking at history both long in the past and into the future. This is something I don't think many others who are so entrenched in petty partisan squabbles can say.

Which is why preservation has been a guiding principle for me in all of this. I for one would not let China, or any other nation, have a moment's opening on here. That still doesn't absolve some others on this side. I've said what I have to say about that for now, but it's not over. I don't care whose toes I step on either. The whole point of me visiting those other places was for a potential dead man's switch on another matter, and I don't mind nor will have any difficulty expanding a dead man's switch to encompass all this as well. One last thing I would suggest for Trump to buy himself time, to tell Putin to go fuck himself at the summit.

It's not as simple as propaganda anymore, but also money. As far as the former is concerned, there is a bit more deception involved that itself has some implications. Furthermore, the things I have mentioned may not have been so centered on Trump as an end himself as perhaps a means to something else which could be a point of concern for all kinds of people. Again, there's a lot more than I've said or can say immediately and even if I don't want to believe it there is evidence that points to this angle: internal soft coup