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Also for Jim to get to his level he meditated all day long for years and he practiced celibacy. So saying you don't need to practice celibacy and only need to practice 2 hours a day for immortality Neidan, blah, blah (insert fancy mind-control Chinese terminology here) is a joke! haha.

O.K. so yeah Jim Nance does yin shen spirit travel. If he does long distance healing every day that is also a type of yin shen spirit travel. It's a matter of intensity. When I told him about seeing Chunyi creating multiple yin spirits to heal people Jim said that was a very profound level of healing since each spirit was individualized and sent out to people to heal them and that Jim does not do that level of healing. But anyway Jim doesn't like using computers - says they mess with his mind. haha. But the so-called "real" Neidan school - what do they do? 1) resort to half-sentence misquote lies about other Neidan teachings. 2) have no proof that their school has any kind of spiritual (insert proper Neidan word here) skills. (i.e. how about post photos of luxuriant hair on their masters heads?). haha. 3) steep themselves in pedantic tautological propaganda that are classic mind-control techniques 4) resort to cheap ad hominems when exposed of the above 5) sit on the internet all day attacking the so-called 1000s of fake schools. What can I say? Hilarious! If you want to learn from a real teacher like Chunyi or Jim then you need to practice more. Jim told me to do 2 hours of standing active exercise a day. Have I done that yet? Nope. So I'm not even qualified to be Jim's real student yet. When I was doing 2 hours of non-stop full lotus meditation a day he said my energy called him to me. But that's when I wasn't working a job more or less full time, sometimes more than full time. But he did say I can share my experiences on the internet. I did ask Jim about experiencing or having a "yang shen" and he indicated this may have happened to him. He gave me some examples. But I don't know - to develop yang shen abilities requires more focus on storing up the energy. So for example Chunyi shared how he levitated up 9 feet, spiraling while he was in full lotus. But that was when he was in deep meditation in the mountains in China. Obviously he can't do that on command - but obviously levitation is a deep body transformation. Now - do I know the proper Chinese terminology for it? Nope. haha. Chunyi, I'm sure, knows all these Chinese terms, etc. but as he said - he's not focused on sharing information, he's focused on improving people's lives. Jim, for example, in one 45 minute healing session, had a man's club foot completely straighten out - so he transformed the man's bones. Now was that Jim doing it? Nope - it was the Emptiness energy itself. And I met the man who got healed from that - he was at the Level 3 class in January 2014. So again I don't know the proper Chinese term to describe and pedantically classify that type of energy skill. haha. I'll let you people dismiss it with your proper translations and classifications, etc.

He does that type of healing everyday but he doesn't share his spirit travel stories much more. He told me but said i can't share.

Jim healed my mom long distance while he talkwd to me on ph. She was suddenly able to walk. Before barely cud walk. Next day walked half mile. He had to send her energy several times while shwashewas asleep. He told me he was having a conversation with her. Jim is very modest.

Ask chunyi. But experience of energy is better.

To say the ghost immortal is a fallen human immortal makes sense because in order to be able to have your yin spirit leave your body you first need to open up the third eye via experiencing the Tai Chi as the first half of human immortality. http://www.all-dao.com/ghost-immortal.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_%28Taoism%29#Baopuzi http://www.all-dao.com/immortality-achievements.html So what the links say is that it is a human who does too much yin practice and feeds off the energy of other people and also allows the yin spirit to leave their body. and So - it is a person who is able to be conscious of leaving their body via yin spirit practices while at the same time taking in the energy of people around them. This is warned against in Taoist Yoga as the evil fire of the heart practice. I don't do this anymore but still I experience a lot of people taking my energy anyway - or you could say I am healing them. haha. But in reality the only way a person is healed is through the Emptiness - whether they are aware of it or not.

If you need to meditate all the time to become immortal then you won't really have an individualized personality anyway. It is like in Hinduism - the Atma (your personal soul) merges with Brahman (the impersonal God-soul). As Chunyi said - his body/mind is just an empty vessel for the healing energy to go through. It is the Emptiness itself that is doing the healing through him. So obviously the more you focus on the Emptiness then the less of an individual personality you have. This means the lower emotions are harmonized into "unconditional love" energy. For example Jim Nance said that Chunyi said watching t.v. causes too strong of blockages. Jim said that the internet causes too strong of blockages. So the advanced practice requires cutting back on what would be considered more individualistic types of information. Qigong master Yan Xin says an immortal is anyone who can go without food. So a ghost immortal - speaking from experience - is the ability to go without food but still being dependent on getting energy from other people - even if you also send out energy. The normal person does just become a ghost but as Buddhism teachers - if the person was good then they go to heaven and if bad they go to hell. What does that mean? If they are controlled by their lower emotions then they go to hell - because their spirit-vitality is stuck in the lower body. In Tibet the Buddhist monks actually feel what part of the body gets cold last - if the lower body gets cold last after death that means the person went to hell. Taoism is more focused on the immediate - so if a person is controlled by the lower body then they are in hell already while being alive. If you have a precognitive dream or vision it is more real with stronger perceptions than while being awake. So that means that physical reality is a type of lower astral realm already - a type of hell actually since more people are still controlled by their lower emotions. The original human culture focused on healing people based on the ghosts of the dead as the main cause of sickness since those ghosts are still controlled by their lower emotions and so they also spread sickness. So in that case it is a kind of self-reinforcing cycle of ghost pollution causing more humans to be controlled by their lower emotions to turn into more ghosts stuck on Earth, getting reincarnated into a lower emotional energy cycle of Nature. The original human culture required all the males to train to be spiritual healers of the females but the original spiritual masters were female since females are yang internally and Nature overall is female.

A good example of what I'm talking about is qigong master Yan Xin gave mass healings often there were not understood in the local dialect of the thousands of people he was healing. His energy still healed people yet the words were not understood by the people being healed.

the book is based on teachings from the 16th C. Whether the writer achieved any results is not indicative of the truth of the text or not. That is again confusing cause and effect. If I study from a personal teacher than obviously you want the teacher to have achieved results. If I study from a book then it's the origin of the teachings that matter not the writer of the book. You have recommended Wang Mu's book. On the process of creating the internal medicine it states: This is also what Taoist Yoga teaches - the cycles refers to the small universe/microcosmic orbit meditation. https://books.google.com/books?id=BWKEI2oxrR8C&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=Wang+Mu%27s+Foundations+of+Inner+Alchemy,+Pregadio,+An+Anonymous+Master&source=bl&ots=JJxDOLqoo8&sig=-muP6ZGGQBHu4LcjzPgCwEufdYc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7InNVIGLBsudgwS4oAE&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Wang%20Mu%27s%20Foundations%20of%20Inner%20Alchemy%2C%20Pregadio%2C%20An%20Anonymous%20Master&f=false

Dude when you posted this: I knew your level of practice was not very strong. Again Taoist Yoga book is very clear that sublimation and purification has to happen to change the fluid back into qi. Just as qi moving away from the lower tan tien changes into fluid so too does fluid undergoing sublimation and purification change back into qi. This is because the Cavity of Prenatal Vitality is in the pineal gland and so when the jing moves up to the pineal gland it is ionized into chi energy. Like I said before I went 6 months last year with no ejaculation. No problem. The only thing is people around me became desperate to get my energy. haha.

Wow - another lie to end your "discussion" of Taoist Yoga! Last year I went six months with no ejaculation - and so was I just storing up fluid the whole time? Obviously not. haha. The book is correct - qi energy is changed back into fluid when it moves away from the lower tan tien and vice versa. For example the term "semen retention" is wrong and anyone who uses it is starting off practicing in the wrong direction because of the wrong intention. I've said that on this forum long before you began your fear-mongering with no evidence. As soon as you said Taoist Yoga was a wrong translation I asked you for evidence and got none. So what did I do? I looked for evidence myself. Then when I posted the Taoist Yoga text what did you do? You twice resorted to posting half sentences so you could make up lies about the rest of the sentences. In the first time it was about "generative force" versus "generative fluid" to claim Taoist Yoga was not about physical leakage. In the 2nd time it was about the penis standing up versus gathering or losing vitality. Nice try to confuse people but if you can't even quote a sentence properly from Taoist Yoga then I think there's something seriously wrong going on. You said Taoist Yoga is not about physical leakage when it blatantly is about that issue. So anyway yes Bluemind posted what your school is against: sexual abstinence. I already posted how Chunyi said that for advanced levels of qigong no thoughts about sex is allowed. That's a strict requirement I heard him say only once since obviously most Western students could not follow that. Maybe you didn't notice that Bluemind also practices SFQ. haha. So the thing with Chunyi is the evidence of his success in his training can easily be found online. I posted some proof of it already - he was even tested by top medical researchers using "gold standard" science, randomized controlled research. Oh but your school has high credentials since why? 1) thousands of other schools are wrong 2) you have a website 3) you can't even quote Taoist Yoga properly and have to lie about it. That last point includes your lie about farting.

Taoist Yoga book clearly explains the process. At first you are building up yin chi energy. If you can fill the lower tan tien then the "real" heavenly circle opens up as you call it. If you can not successfully fill up the lower tan tien then at least the practice is good for healing the body. As Taoist Yoga explains - yes post-natal sources can replenish prenatal energy as long as the Emptiness is the focus and celibacy is maintained. Instead of trying to critique the teachings of Taoist Yoga you have chosen to attack Spring Forest Qigong? Hilarious! Previously you said you had no proof that Chunyi was a real internal alchemist or whatever fancy term you want to use. haha. I said you practiced "willful ignorance." Then you claim that I had no evidence that Taoist Yoga is focused on no physical leakage and yet I showed a plethora of such evidence. So then you resorted to a half sentence of a quote while changing the meaning of what you left out. That's called lying. And it didn't work since I just demonstrated the 2nd half of the sentence plus several more examples. Finally you said I was confusing the 2 steps of the training when I was the one who first pointed out those 2 different steps! haha. So I just provided more Taoist Yoga quotes that proved that indeed even an old man can obtain immortality by "producing" yuanjing from postnatal food sources and celibacy. So now you want to say - ah but that's just an illusion. No - it's the initial part of the training - to build up the yin chi energy and if you follow Taoist Yoga book correctly then yes it does work. I know because I achieved up to chapter 6 in Taoist Yoga along with experiences from Chapter 7 to chapter 11. As for whether Spring Forest Qigong is a real alchemy path - well I'll let you decide to continue to be willfully ignorant of the truth. I can assure you that Chunyi does not practice any kind of "pseudo" MCO and he certainly knows the difference when he is teaching his students.

p. 12 So yeah really! first build up jing energy as yin chi and then yin chi is built up so yang chi manifests and then build up the yang chi. That's what Taoist Yoga says. and Nothing about vitality lost when the penis stands up. So the first 36 breaths of the microcosmic orbit is sublimation. If the vitality continues to manifest then the yin chi is full in the lower tan tien and so that is the time to "gather the alchemical agent" via the Emptiness. So "negative generative force" is yin jing from food and as I sourced above: So you build up first the yin jing into yin chi and so on. So that is how the yuan jing is created from the postnatal energy. Notice it says "produced" - not just transmuted or restored. Now the super-secret Neidan school says 100 days is enough. Yet even a chaste youth has to do 10 months to fully open the third eye! haha. It takes a middle aged man 600 days of restoring the yin jing energy to fully open the third eye.

O.K. so what are the 3 categories? Young chaste dude. Middle aged dude. Old man dude. That loss is from ejaculation. The difference of how much prenatal vitality needs to be produced depends on how much postnatal has to be converted to prenatal based on the above 3 categories. and So you go from yin jing (food) to yang jing (yin chi) to yang chi (yin shen) as true vitality. If your old then you need more postnatal sources. If your young and chaste then less postnatal sources. that's what the book is about.

Your half-quote lies have already been debunked.

See I quote the book. You insist it means the opposite. Good luck there.

Let's give the quote again to see how you have "re-interpreted" it: "When the generative force is about to flow out". The previous sentence gives the answer? Oh please stop the b.s.! That is another complete misrepresentation of the Taoist Yoga book. If the penis stands erect that does not mean energy has drained. The penis stands erect when the energy is stored up - not drained. Let's actually quote the book instead of relying on your "interpretation." Nice try though - once again. There's absolutely nothing about losing vitality when the penis stands erect. What did you say? Nope - when the penis stands erect the vitality is gathered - not drained. Of course it matters if you have sex or not or have sexual desires or not. Again the book is based on teaching how to correct those errors. Again this is total b.s. Let's prove you wrong again by what? Quoting the Taoist Yoga book. according to you that meant his vitality was drained - but that's not what the book says! Nope. Wrong. Once again - the penis is erect but behold - no drain of vitality. So guess what - you're misrepresenting the book once again! Notice it says block the drain of generative fluid - not drain of vitality. See the difference? O.K. so as the above explains - there are different levels of the small universe/microcosmic orbit. There is the sublimation level and purification level and then the Emptiness level. Two of the above examples are on the Emptiness level and two of the above examples are when the sublimation and purification needs to happen. Now you are saying that the loss is vitality and not leakage that is physical. Again you ignore the quotes I have already posted: So again clearly what happens is that the energy is deconverted into physical drainage unless the sublimation and purification process occurs. But if that sublimation and purification process occurs the liquid is converted back into energy. But what did you say? And what does Taoist Yoga say? and o.k. it is very clear - that is how the Yuanjing is restored. O.K. once again very clearly the Taoist Yoga book is saying the energy is lost from the physical drainage of the fluid. And so by the practice of fire - Quick Fire and Slow Fire - the fluid is turned back into vitality and Yuanjing is restored via the Cavity of Prenatal Vitality, the pineal gland Emptiness.

yeah I agree - basically Taoist Yoga focuses on the Quick Fire method to retract the penis. So essentially if there's any evil thoughts and this causes erection or "shivering" - then quick fire is used which is deep fast breathing. I find that horse stand with thighs parallel to ground is the fastest way to induce Quick Fire breathing. So for example the question in Taoist Yoga is - the person is doing the small universe/microcosmic orbit but they still keep having nocturnal emissions - why? The answer is because they're just doing the small universe/microcosmic orbit as a mental practice without the required deep breathing. So the quick fire method is the initial practice to sublimate and purify the energy. You sublimate in the morning and then purify through small universe practice. There are different levels to the small universe practice - the first is to help sublimate and the second is to purify. Then at midnight is the Emptiness level of small universe - which can only be practiced if the first two levels are already achieved. so that means if you have evil thoughts at midnight then it will reverse the alchemical agent back into fluid and mess up the practice. So if that happens it means you didn't properly do the previous steps of sublimation and purification. Along with the deep horse stance also a good full lotus session - 2 hours - will purify the energy. So then when you see light internally that means that the generative force has been sublimated as yin chi into the brain to be purified. So the small universe/microcosmic orbit is efficacious as a practice because it utilizes the four cavities - 1) the cavity of mortality at the root of the penis is where the cavity of vitality is activated and created. That is your stored up yin jing energy that normally is turned to fluid when evil thoughts occur. 2) If there are evil thoughts this causes the Cavity of Prenatal Vitality as the pineal gland to shoot down yuan chi, down the spine, which triggers the yin jing in the cavity of vitality to turn into fluid. If you instead focus on the Emptiness this causes the yuan chi to increase the heart fire energy to go down the front of the spine to create the lower tan t'ien. 3) the Cavity of Spirit is the heart energy that manifests out of the eyes via the heart's fire or yin chi energy. The source of this energy is the unified spirit-vitality as the Cavity of Original Spirit but it does not exist yet until the alchemical process on the Emptiness occurs. 4) The lower tan t'ien as the Cavity of Spirit-Vitality is created by the above alchemical microcosmic orbit/small universe training. So those are the four main nodes of the 12 harmonic nodes of the small universe/microcosmic orbit process. A lot of people want to dismiss that practice as just being psychophysiological - but it's not - it creates energy from the Emptiness and when the yin chi is filled up in the lower tan tien this activates the Yuan Jing as True Vitality of the middle tan t'ien which then works to open up the Cavity of Original Spirit as the Tai Chi enlightenment experience. So the Tai Chi experience is a unified Yuan Jing-Chi-Shen experience - as Taoist Yoga calls it - a spark of Positive Spirit. So this is the manifestion of essential nature - Xing - as the first half of the immortality training. It is the yin shen manifesting as the lunar energy from the yin chi having filled up the lower tan tien. At that point you can go without food and sleep fairly easily and also the immortal breathing kicks in - and the chi energy is very strong. But to get from Chapter 4 to Chapter 6 requires that the alchemical agent not be lost as fluid. The only way to do that is to combine the yin chi and the yang chi energy - the right and left eye energy of the sun and moon - and so you have to increasingly transform the yin chi into yang chi. This prevents the yin chi from turning back into fluid which is lost at night as nocturnal emission. If you can successfully turn it into yang chi then it can be stored into the deeper inner cell of the lower tan t'ien - called "True Serenity." So at first that enables a week without food with no loss of energy and no need of sleep. Then it can be extended to a month and then two months, etc. Each time building up the energy in deep serenity and so the third eye is then fully opened. It doesn't mean that the fasting is required but that is one way to go about it - but nevertheless the purification process does have to deepen. And so that purification is called "converting jing to chi." Obviously it is easy if you still have a lot of prenatal yuan jing energy - from being young and chaste. Also as Taoist Yoga says the main reason people fail in the training is because the same passions are inflamed by the increase in yin chi energy even though those passions have to be extinguished in order to build up the Prenatal Vitality energy from the Emptiness meditation. So that was the error I made also - overusing my third eye, sending out yin chi energy as evil fire of the heart. So yes you can still lose energy this way even though physical celibacy is maintained without any ejaculation. But if you are not intentionally sending out energy - then maintaining celibacy will keep building up the energy along with the alchemical training. It's just that more and more people will go to further extremes to take your energy as you build it up. So again the above deep horse stance is what kicks in the quick fire deep fast breathing most effectively to retract the penis. When the yin chi energy is built up then you should be able to do horse stance with thighs parallel to the ground - nonstop for 2 hours a day. This is what qigong master Chunyi did when he trained at Shaolin for 3 months. You can also see this in the youtube video on the traditional Shaolin training. So Chunyi said at the end of the 3 months then he was told they could do long distance healing and he did a healing on his uncle. What was referred to in the reply to me as the penis standing erect at night and then causing nocturnal emission - this can be caused even without any bad dreams. This is because the evil fire of the heart is direct perception as alchemical agent in action - it is called "twinkling of the eye" in the Taoist Yoga book. IN other words we can send out energy out of the eye, via the pineal gland connection to the heart - and this in turn, at the same time, triggers the pineal gland to shoot qi down the spine to create fluid. So it is a reverse small universe in action - the energy as yin chi getting pulled up the front of the spine, along with lower body waste, and it is shot out of the eyes and skull - this is via the Cavity of the Spirit, while the Cavity of Prenatal Vitality shoots energy down the spine to cause, eventually an ejaculation at night. So that process does not even require thinking with left-brain dominance of words - it can be triggered just by images as right brain dominance. So the practice of "turning the light around" is to go into the Emptiness in real time even with the eyes open - to turn the Cavity of Spirit light from going out of the eyes, to connect with the Cavity of Prenatal Vitality pineal gland energy as the intention is focused on the Emptiness. Unless the above sublimation-purification-Emptiness practice is achieved then the energy will be lost via ejaculation during sleep and this is the main loss of the energy. Was it triggered by a physical action to do with touching the gate of mortality? Obviously not but the point of Taoist Yoga is that this error can be reversed through the above practices.

Not if you follow the Taoist Yoga book. The whole point of the book is to stop all drainage as physical loss as the key to the alchemical training. So no - if you are doing the training correctly you are not to have nocturnal emissions. Do you not believe me? O.K. I'll go through the book again. People are really fighting this. I already posted a quote about this. http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2015/01/on-not-letting-alchemical-agent-drain.html

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fterebess.hu%2Fzen%2Fmesterek%2FTaoist-Yoga-Alchemy-and-Immortality.pdf&ei=vdbKVPvbMo-UyASysILgCQ&usg=AFQjCNGy4SrrA7UspVUt4BXCO5nDid_6UA&sig2=DnxdvAo5sBjWB0mGZa_Nmg&bvm=bv.84607526,d.aWw pdf book link I have already quoted So you say once again: that's blatantly false. More evidence is easy to provide. and you said what? Wrong again. O.K. so the energy is lost by the fluid flowing out. Pretty straightforward in the book - it's all about how to retract the penis to change the fluid back into vitality through purification process. and and you said what? Read the book carefully? Hilarious! Seriously - what a joke! and but wait... Hilarious! So the genital gate is the end of the penis - meaning you are blocking again the drainage of fluid. What what did you say again? You're right I don't have any arguments. Just quotes from the book. p. 48 So that makes you wrong for the what time? tenth time. Wrong for the tenth time. First quote I had already posted twice - so you chose to ignore it. Also ignored were all my previous quotes about draining away and drainage - which you wrongly claim are about energy and not physical leakage. Again it's not an either/or scenario but physical leakage is the main way the energy is lost. ten quotes already and not even half way through the book. Oh wait - you ignored this quote also p. 58: and p. 59 There's more obviously but that should be enough for other people to read.

http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-secret-of-true-vitality-as.html I was told by the super-secret Neidan school that I was "totally wrong" because celibacy is not the key to the Taoist Yoga book. Instead the energy is lost - not based on a physical leakage. Otherwise celibate people would be immortal! This is a nice twisting of cause and effect that can easily confuse people. It is only through the alchemical purification energy process that the "yuan jing" is created and stored up. But the Taoist Yoga book, as I already documented, insists that physical loss or drainage is the main way the energy is lost. http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2015/01/on-not-letting-alchemical-agent-drain.html I reposted the Taoist Yoga quotes on physical drainage on my blog. I also posted my new response about yuan jing aka True Vitality on my blog - wherein I give more Taoist Yoga quotes on the connection between "yuan jing" as True Vitality aka essential generative force. The super-secret Neidan school first claimed that Taoist Yoga was not focused on celibacy when it's the exact opposite as I showed already with the above quotes about drainage. Now the following false claim has been made by the super-secret Neidan school: My blog post completely demolishes this claim again simply by actually just quoting the Taoist Yoga book. http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-secret-of-true-vitality-as.html So the super-secret Neidan school claims yuan jing aka essential generative force can only be "generated at puberty" while the Taoist Yoga book is completely based on restoring it! So here we have "true generative force" aka True vitality aka "essential generative force." and and again and and finally:

So that is exactly what someone was saying is not a problem in fulling achieving Xing - the spilling over or overflowing of extra jing energy. On the contrary, chapter six is precisely to stop that from happening - to secure the End of Leakage. and and and Finally Chapter 9 - after the foundation has be laid: And so Taoist Yoga says - the first eight chapters deal with "minor serenity" but the 9th deals with major serenity. So yes - you can have leakage but you're not going to obtain "major serenity" with that leakage. To get major serenity you gotta build up the energy again - start over. So the focus of chapter 10 is completely on how to ensure stopping leakage or drainage.

In the below quotes from Taoist Yoga it is my emphasis on the term "drain away" or "draining away." O.K. so Bluemind - you just posted that your secret Neidan school that you have now discovered - in Russian - teaches that 100 days of celibacy is needed for their secret super Neidan training. Again I find this hilarious. Bluemind - you want your hair to stay black into old age right? According to Taoist Yoga it is very specific. You need 400 days - not 100 - but 400 days of celibacy to turn your hair black. 100 days of celibacy is the traditional time it takes to access the Tai Chi as real Emptiness - to have an enlightenment experience. O.K. but again keep in mind that we are not just taking about leaking fluid but also leaking energy out of the eyes and mouth and even out of the body in general from the aura. So it is not enough to be not leaking fluids but that is the main way to lose the energy. So if you go another 500 days of celibacy - then you fully open the third eye which then "lays the foundation." Now I consider that achieving Xing but apparently that is not what your super secret Neidan school thinks. haha. Yes I would say Wang Liping has achieved Xing as has Yan Xin and Zhang Yuanming and Chunyi Lin and JIm Nance, etc. In other words - they all have their third eyes fully open. You can have an enlightenment experience - as I did - but to stabilize that energy you have to continue in your celibacy and that is what Chapter six is focused on in Taoist Yoga. In other words you have to use the spirit fire to further deepen the yang qi energy - to turn it into more prenatal or yuan qi energy via Emptiness meditation so it is stored into a deeper part of the lower tan tien. This prevents the loss of the alchemical agent through leakage. This is what is meant by the End of Leakage. Now as I said - most people never even fill up the lower tan tien in the first place to even have an enlightenment experience - but to get from a Number 4 person (permanent third eye activation) to a Number 5 person (fully opened third eye) is very very difficult as Gurdjieff emphasized. In other words - that final stage of laying the foundation from Chapter 6 to Chapter 8 of Taoist Yoga is very difficult. Why? Because when you do develop "Yang qi" - you already have spiritual powers and people will want this energy - desperately - since it is love energy. At that stage then the focus really does have to be on the Emptiness. And this is where people - like Master Nan, Huai-chin - greatly criticize the tantra visualization practice of Taoist Yoga because - instead of relying on the small universe visualizations - instead the practice, they argue, should be just to focus on the Emptiness as your guide. For example when you activate the yang qi then the top of the head pulsates with electromagnetic energy - the bones soften and widen out like a babies - and you have real astral travel. But the question arises - where do I travel and why? I mean is that the real meaning of the universe? To just travel and explore, etc.? No the real question is "who" is doing this traveling? And Master Nan, Huai-chin says no - real astral is not like the image in Taoist Yoga with a spirit going out of the top of the head. well that is true and not true - again I saw Chunyi repeatedly creating personalized yin shen spirits out of the top of his head. But what Taoist Yoga says is that actually when you start to have astral travel - if you experience dizziness - the reason is there is not enough "yang qi" that is surrounding and enveloping your spirit shen energy. And so you must keep focusing on the lower tan tien to store up more yang qi energy. And so when doing this you are actually turning the yang qi into yuan qi or prenatal vitality as a function of the Emptiness itself. and' to be continued.

Yuanming Zhang does 2 month nonstop cave meditation. When Chunyi was in China he went to visit him but Zhang was unavailable - in cave meditation. As for your comments about too much stting and not using the mind, etc. - as I've said - at first Chunyi says three times more standing active exercise - to build up the lower tan tien - compared to 1 ratio of sitting meditation. Visualization is considered tantra - Emptiness is achieved through pointed concentration, not necessarily visualization, but through logical inference. The difference is right brain dominant for visualization while left brain dominant for concentration. Those two practices are not mutually exclusive. The whole point of Taoist Yoga is that if you don't practice celibacy then you don't achieve the yang qi energy which surrounds the shen and gives the shen its force. That is what prevents creating or becoming a ghost. Obviously becoming a ghost is a big concern - and I would say the main concern - because this is what happened to me. So the thing about standing active exercise is with the knees bent you activate the kidney energy but as Taoist Yoga emphasizes the key is the deep fast breathing to drive up the jing energy so it combines with the yang spirit energy. So although Taoist Yoga doesn't state standing active exercise they emphasize the real secret of it - the deep strong fast breathing - the "quick fire." The big problem, as Taoist Yoga points out, is that celibacy can not be maintained as the energy develops to fill the lower tan tien - precisely because people are relying too much just on mind meditation and so the only answer to that is the deep fast strong reverse breathing. So I have since been using the horse stance with thighs parallel to the ground - this is a very fast way to activate deep strong fast reverse breathing. So the 2 month nonstop cave meditation is called "converting jing to chi" and of course strict celibacy has to be maintained in all ways - that is what the Emptiness focus does along with sitting in full lotus. So that is also what Chunyi focuses on along with the small universe. I have given the quotes that say celibacy must be maintained - to fully open the third eye there has to be celibacy and this is the most difficult. As your energy builds up then people around you will be wanting it more. So anyway obviously there is a cost to doing healing but at the same time if someone is saying celibacy is too dangerous at advanced level and therefore not necessary - that is completely the opposite of what Taoist YOga says. Celibacy is indeed dangerous but that is what gives the power of the practice and the essence of what prevents the ghost state from happening. The question is what doesn't "drain the yuanshen" - to say it is only the Emptiness that doesn't drain it - is very easy to say but obviously you are going on someone trying to sell their school on the internet with no claims other than what their practice is not. As I quoted not maintaining celibacy is the most common error in the practice and this school has just said they follow that error. Taoist Yoga is very strict about this as part of the "dual cultivation" method. So have the other "serious" self-proclaimed alchemy trainers posting on this forum saying that the real reason they disagree with Taoist Yoga is because it insists on celibacy. Again I find that hilarious because it's the typical Westernization projection on to the practice. People love to hear what is easy for them but that is precisely why there are so few qigong masters. As for real alchemy trainers working on their golden immortal body - they are in purified areas in hiding - they are not aggressively phishing for students on websites. haha. Chunyi said for advanced practice there can be no thoughts about sex. I post online to learn from other people but when the sole modus operandi of a group is to just diss everyone else - to me that is the opposite of the real teachings. These abilities are transcultural so they can be obtained by Buddhists and so it doesn't make sense to diss Taoist Yoga since it uses Buddhist sources - the syncretism of Taoism and Buddhism in China goes back a long ways. But also of course these abilities were achieved all over the world in all cultures. It's just that Taoism presents the clearest information on the training and again Taoist Yoga is the clearest information that I have found. You're saying that I need to fly to Vancouver to get clearer information that is secret. No thanks - this is a forum precisely because it is for people who want to share information. They have already shared information that I disagree with. I know someone who traveled the world and discovered qigong masters that are famous - people who have the same abilities as John Chang for example. This person returned and looked me up - I even let him stay at my house for a couple nights or so - and he said that even though he saw someone light things on fire with their hands that master did not have the same type of loving spiritual energy as Chunyi who does so much healing. So I know that people like Wang Liping and Zhang Yuanming do healing on their students but it's not their full time career as with Chunyi who has people calling him up all day long to get healings. Of course that doesn't allow him to store up his energy as much. He said that once he had to let his advanced students teach level 3 since he had overused his energy. Another time he said he was healing people even though he had just picked up a cold but he just didn't have time to heal himself since he had appointments. So then when he was done healing other people then he got rid of his cold. haha. So I consider it to be heroic to make such sacrifices - but like I said - I know Chunyi said the best time of his life was when he was doing the deep 2 month nonstop full lotus cave meditation. Chunyi said if you want to see if someone is a real master just see how long they can sit in full lotus nonstop in ease. Wang Liping for his first training had to sit in full lotus 4 hours nonstop with no movement at all - and he had to be tied down to do this. So I can't agree that full lotus is just a passive yin practice. It has to be combined with Emptiness focus obviously because as I have said - I sent out energy for almost a decade doing free healing while I sat in full lotus in public for hours nonstop every day. So there are different types of full lotus - to sit in full lotus while storing up your energy and not sending it out - this is quite difficult. To sit like that in ease with no moving requires that the yang qi be activated. The alchemy books are clear on this - the book I just quoted - and others say - only when the lower tan tien is filled up with yin qi so that the yang qi is activated - only then will the energy blockages of the body be cleared out and at that point you can sit in full lotus for as long as you want in ease. The problem is if people do sitting meditation but not in full lotus - then it's easy for it to be too yin to be sure. Chunyi does tai chi every morning as his first practice for half hour. But all the qigong masters that I know about - Zhang, Yuanming and Wang, Liping and Effie P. Chow and Yan Xin and Chunyi and Jim Nance - they all sit for at least 2 hours full lotus meditation nonstop twice a day or a 4 hour nonstop full lotus meditation every night. Emptiness can only be achieved once the lower tan tien is filled up with energy but most people never even reach that stage - and if you do - which is chapter six of Taoist Yoga - it's very difficult to stabilize the yang qi to keep filling it up - to fully open the third eye - because when you have yang qi then you have strong healing abilities and other people will desperately want that energy. So if you go to Vancouver then you can post back to us whether the teachers there can sit in full lotus nonstop as long as they want in ease. Will they transmit energy to you like Chunyi does to help open your third eye? That is the shen energy transmission. People who studied with Mantak Chia said he can not do that. It is very rare - called the Shakti healing in India. I know SFQ doesn't use the terms shen energy transmission - they just call it unconditional love healing. haha. For me - even if I am unable to build up my lower tan tien again - at least I activated my third eye enough where I am able to send out yin chi energy to heal people. I know this type of healing is based on the small universe running the wrong way - and that's why it is damaging to my own energy as it causes loss of PreNatal Vitality. But if you can go into the Emptiness because the third eye is fully open then you can recharge your PreNatal Vitality. So the thing about yuanshen being used up - yes - but it can be recharged also. You're saying that if the energy is strong enough then it can over-ride the loss from non-celibacy. Again this is only if the third eye is fully open but to get to that level of a fully open third eye requires a strict celibacy that few can obtain. As Master Nan, Huai-chin says most people get "heroic over-exuberance" and so "fall back into worldliness" before they have fully opened the third eye. But even still if you do fully open the third eye - if you are doing the alchemy training for immortality then celibacy has to be continued.