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http://www.scribd.com/doc/101462079/Yan-Xin-Secrets-Benefits-of-Internal-Qigong-Cultivation#scribd Yan Xin details why Emptiness meditation on its own is not enough. Like immortal breathing - it is the yang qi shen as spirit-vitality going one direction while Emptiness as yuan qi-shen goes in the other direction via the small universe. So actually it is a "3 in 1" unity while just Emptiness is maintaining a still Western dualistic perspective - emptiness or not? Sorry wrong question. haha.

yeah I had an MSG reaction from Braggs recently. But the idea is to get sodium from vegetable sources instead of sodium chloride as salt. Chloride is a negative ion while sodium is still a positive ion - that appears to be the science behind it. All I know is Taoist Yoga says for advanced level then no salt. Also the spirits in Ireland hate salt. Finally the original human culture - the Bushmen - didn't eat salt. Also the shamanic diet in the Amazon says no salt. So I think the common factor is to increase the positive ions in the body.

When I filled up the lower tan tien - so I was doing next to no physical activity - just biking a mile or two on the weekend but otherwise driving. I had a vegan diet and then cut out salt using Braggs amino acids instead. I would do 2 hour meditation sessions - so 1/2 active then 1/2 in full lotus then 1/2 hr in chair doing small universe and then end with 1/2 hr active. Then read meditation books - but I was not posting online or using the computer much at all. No forums. I had minimal social contacts and drove a car to then take the SFQ classes - so I got regular energy healings from CL. So I took Level 1 on a weekend - experienced a big immersion in bright light with body full of bliss when CL did the sword fingers on me. Then I took level 2 as a weekend class - and asked CL what percentage my right kidney was working since I had felt heat there - and when he looked at it - this laser bliss burned just the right kidney. So by that point I was already feeling a bit of electromagnetic energy and then just kept it up. A week before the Level 3 retreat I fasted - just taking a half glass of water in 7 days - and that's when the electromagnetic energy kicked in super strong, I needed only 5 hours of sleep and then after the Level 3 - where I saw the yin shen spirits being made, I smelled cancer, and I also saw the dead people spirits - then I went to work on Monday and I had a telepathy experience with a female coworker. So then on that Weds. I healed my mom. Oh on the Mon - I broke the fast with some greens-tofu soup but the sea salt in it tasted like poison! So when I healed my mom there was very strong electromagnetic energy coming out of my hands and then 2 weeks later she said it was "the difference between night and day" and she no longer needed her surgical stockings. But she also screamed bloody murder at me and forced me to eat a bunch of food. I realized later I had exorcised her liver blockage from her alcohol addiction - so being so purified I was very sensitive and didn't understand what I had done. Then that weekend I went to the Guild meeting and Jim asked me to share my fasting experience and this old lady asked me to heal her. I then forgot not to pull blockages out of the top center point of the head. Even though she couldn't see my hand and I didn't touch her - I felt this heavy electromagnetic blob get pulled out of the top of her head and immediately she was bawling nonstop for at least 15 minutes. So I had pulled her spirit out of her body by accident. Then when I went into the local organic anarchist cafe this female made eye contact with me and immediately I knew she had an orgasm from my energy - but again it was too much of an emotional shock for me to process it analytically - not till years later. Then also when I went into full lotus after that the room was spinning around me. It wasn't until I studied Taoist Yoga years later did I find out the specific reason why that had happened. So all that happened just over a couple weeks - and CL said I had an enlightenment experience. But I had begin to stop practicing because I needed to find out - to understand what was going on - and instead I studied the Master Nan, Huai-chin books. Then I took another Level 3 class from CL and he stuck his finger to my forehead and he shot in the laser love shen energy and after that I had a permanent magnetic bliss in the center of my brain. Then I got real stupid because I wanted to see if it really was permanent and so I just stopped all qigong practice for a couple months - and so my body energy channels closed up - but the magnetic bliss in the brain did remain permanent. haha. As for the dead people spirits that CL was sending back into the Emptiness - CL has shared how one time in a classroom where - at St. Thomas University - he said he was still clearing out some dead spirits from that room and that sometimes it takes him a couple times - occasions to do it. Also I read in Taoist master Ni, hua-ching how ghost pollution is very common. So I think - also actually Jim told me how I needed to let go of my dad who had died a couple years ago - that my dad was worried about it. So - my guess is that for spirits who die with lower emotional blockages then they stay on earth as ghosts until they get sucked back into the Emptiness through reincarnation. For me I know I can read when a person has their electromagnetic consciousness stuck in their lower body - as a number one or number 2 person. The nbr 1 is the male perv while the number 2 is controlled by their lower emotional consciousness - which I call the anger-fear-sex cycle. I would say in my experience - these types are very common - but a number 3 person is someone who has taken religion or some kind of mental focus seriously enough where they start to empty out their conceptual mind into a higher frequency of awareness. A number 4 person then has the permanent magnetic bliss in the brain. A number 5 person has a fully opened third eye. That's my take on Gurdjieff's rankings - but they can be aligned with mayahana buddhism I think. Anyway as for the ghost immortal - I can see where I was falling into that as a tantra practice. So what happens is that you overuse the psychic lunar energy and so burn up your prenatal yuan qi and by doing so then become dependent on feeding off and taking in other people's energy. So in tantra - you then can transform other people's lower emotional energy back into qi energy - but the thing is first you have to fill people up with qi energy and then when they - I mean females - at climax - they then shoot out their life force energy which is then sucked up by the pernineum. But again this is a dirty practice that goes the wrong way for the small universe - the yin chi energy is going up the front of the spine and then the prenatal yuan qi is going down the back of the spine. So then you burn up your spirit energy as spirit-vitality and you become just negative spirit as yin shen energy. So then you can live without food as I have done - by just taking in the jing energy of people around me - but overall it is a energy losing cycle since they are sucking in your yin chi energy. But since you are able to live without food then it is like being a ghost and in actuality - that is what you end up being - since you are left only with your yin shen energy.

As for what Chunyi's goals are - he said his dream is to go back to do long cave meditation as that was the best time of his life when he went into heaven during his 2 month non-stop full lotus cave meditation. So he has I guess talked about taking advanced students to China for cave meditation but at least when he is older he will probably retire to long term meditation like that - and then he can probably regrow his hair back, etc. haha. He said he knows of masters in the mountains of China who have the golden aura - meaning creating the yang shen immortality. And yes Chunyi did quote from the Taoist Yoga book - when I had the book with me in his class - it was in my bag so I never had it out in the open to see physically. But he quoted from it when he said he had just done a very deep small universe meditation and he say falling snow in the sky. This was during the summer but that quote is a specific step in the training right before you create a yang spirit in its initial form. Basically at that level of the practice it says if you don't act on it then you miss your chance. So I agree that for now Chunyi is focused on doing healing work but then as he said he plans to live to be very old - so then will continue doing the alchemy training.

yeah so the yin body - spirit healing - Jim does this all the time but it just depends on the intensity. There was a dude writing in the early 1900s under a fake Indian yoga name - he called it the difference between the "astral tube" and "astral travel." So - I've seen Jim do this - where he does a type of remote viewing very easily - and of course when they do the phone healing this is also remote healing - it is a type of yin shen healing But I also saw CL create multiple yin shen bodies - out of the top of his head - while he was in full lotus meditation at the Level 3 conference. Now the only way I was able to see this was because my energy was pure enough and strong enough at the time. When I told Jim about this - he said CL was doing a very profound level of healing that Jim can not do - that is to send out an individualized yin shen that goes out to heal a person - each yin shen created specialized for the person being healed. So yeah that is a type of astral travel obviously on a very high level. I also saw actual dead people as spirits come floating in the room and hovering around CL. He said he was healing them and sending them back to the Emptiness and that he does this all the time. I had read about that ability in the Phra Achun Mun biography also. But again that is a very rare ability - so Chunyi is not just teaching us humans in physical form - he is also teaching and healing dead people as spirits!! But yeah as for what Chunyi is able to share, etc. - I mean a lot of teaching at that level is direct spirit communication through samadhi - heart to heart teaching is what he calls it. So yeah direct transmission without using words. That's why teachers do want you to stick to one type of practice so if you want that advanced level then they can maintain that open heart to heart teaching.

So Bluemind - thanks for reminding me how I asked CL if he had created a yang shen. He did indicate to me that it had been reported to him about it afterwards when he was in China - people seeing him outside his house. So then see when I read the biography of H.W.L. Poonja called "Nothing Ever Happens" - that reminded me because he created multiple yang shen bodies - in order to attend all the birthday party invitations at various students' houses. haha. So then we need to address the person who answered the question you put towards me - as is obvious - these abilities are transcultural but in Mayahana Buddhism for example they emphasize that a person should be consciously aware that they are creating another physical body - instead of just becoming aware of it afterwards. So to be aware of it while it is happening would be another level of accomplishment. It's kind of like how if you read the biography of the most famous Thai Buddhist meditation master - Phra Achun Mun - he says how his colleague in meditation levitated for the first time but as soon as he became consciously aware he was levitating then he fell back to the floor. So then he had to learn to maintain samadhi in the Emptiness while also being aware. So I would say, from my recent rereading of Taoist Yoga, that again this is the difference between yuan qi as the Emptiness and yang qi as awareness of the Emptiness. You can merge the two so that you become aware of your ability in the Emptiness. And - so - obviously the abilities are transcultural, and were the emphasis of our original human culture, the Bushmen, going back to at least 70,000 BCE as I document on my blog - so the terminology used to justify or "authenticate" these abilities is up for grabs. The actual training is fairly similar again as stemming from the biological evolution of these abilities in our original human culture - we originate from an evolutionary bottleneck at 70,000 BCE - when a supervolcano erupted only a few thousand humans remain and so all of us are related from those about 7000 generations in the past. This is much different than other close primates like chimps - who are genetically much more diverse amongst themselves. their lack of knowledge leads to wrong conclusions. Such things as biolocation can be achieved solely by Xing practices and yinshen.

First we get the "only our school is right" line and then we get the - now you need to pay money line. Hilarious. But anyway - there seems to be hang ups on the "authentic" teachings regarding terminology like "neidan" or neigong versus "qigong" Qigong was coined by the Communists - it's a catch-all term. So for people to dismiss SFQ without really knowing about the teacher of it - again that's hilarious! I'm sure the "authentic" teachings are very much worth pursuing but at the same time it is very rare to find real spiritual masters. Also the comment was made that maybe only John Chang has consistently demonstrated these special abilities. Oops - I guess people really are not that aware of Chunyi. haha. Chunyi Lin. Of course I realize some people are newer to this forum - and I haven't gotten brow-beaten for "promoting" SFQ in a while. So here goes: The Mayo Clinic randomized controlled studies - "gold standard science" proving external qi healing by Chunyi Lin and Jim Nance - http://www.springforestqigong.com/index.php/sfq-for-health-professionals/medical-studies Obviously western skeptics will make up excuses about these studies - which is again hilarious. There are and have been dozens of amazing healing testimonials regarding SFQ - some still online - if people want to search them out. I mean - of course some choose the path of willful ignorance and that's fine too! haha. I did just find more details about an exercise that Charles Luk left out of the original Chinese text when he did his translation - an exercise part of chapter 3 for opening up the 8 main channels of the body. I don't know what the exercise is - and anyway to me it's not that big of a deal - that is still part of building up the yin chi energy and can be done by the standing active exercises also. My point again is that the basic principles are transcultural and there are infinite nuances. For example I've been reading through this "neidan" blog http://tao-meditation.blogspot.com/2012/02/how-to-read-taoist-classic-can-tong-qi.html of a Hong Kong translator of Chinese alchemy texts into English. It's a fascinating blog and I did discover a few new secrets but overall his experience level doesn't seem to be that deep. My experience is that people more adept at translating and the more cerebral conceptual debates tend to be less experienced in that actual practice. In fact I was just listening to the qigong master saying how his focus is on helping people feel better and his focus is not on spreading information. So when he teaches he actually uses very little information. haha. And then we find people basically admitting that despite posting regularly on this forum they don't really do the real practices since they don't want to injure themselves - in other words they are basically lurking yet at the same time trying to tell people what to do. Hilarious! It's very easy to be a critic. For me the training is not about success as much as the training is the truth of reality! As Chunyi says there is "good, better and best." Or you can say everything is a learning process and some people die as heroes or even maybe divine fools. O.K. I finally found specific evidence of mistranslation by Charles Luk: http://tao-meditation.blogspot.com/2011/12/masturbation-and-meditation.html I think it is arguable - the blog writer seems to be assuming the word masturbation relies on a pornographic visualization. I think while that is the cause in modern times I'm not sure that is how Charles Luk meant the word to be used - more like "manual stimulation." But oh well - the point is made because obviously the typical modern person is going to read masturbation in the wrong way - and that is a good point to make. I personally had a coworker not get past that point in the book - in their early 20s - they were enslaved to their pornographic mindset. So then I just discovered this M.A. thesis pdf link http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.charleschace.com%2Fpdfs%2FXing_Ming_Gui_Zhi-BurtonRose.pdf&ei=aGe3VMCFJsnyggShx4HQCg&usg=AFQjCNH58EqXSqhfVictBGJ87du8XMFczg&sig2=O9MuPl3l1sc-klkLM-QMfg&bvm=bv.83829542,d.eXY That quote is chapter three title. He quotes Pregadio. Then he does a lot of translations and commentary on neidan texts.

If you burn up your prenatal jing then you die but through Emptiness meditation as Cavity of Prenatal Vitality purification you can rebuild prenatal jing. We are all connected to the Emptiness and a part of the Emptiness but we need to harmonize or resonate with the Emptiness to rebuild the energy. Celibacy is never useless - and celibacy is required. In 2000 at the guild meeting Chunyi stated emphatically that there can be no thoughts about sex if you want to have advanced level of training. Of course I never heard him say that again since it's obviously too strict - as he said - he got more "Americanized." So as for what he said in his interview - he's taking about basically what Mantak Chia teaches - which is again the yin chi energy. Actually what is taken in from the female is yin jing energy and then you have to meditate more to purify it into yin chi energy. But in a later Guild talk Chunyi said he himself never practices tantra because the energy taken in from the female is too impure. I, myself, got healed by the qigong master because for years I had taken in a lot of bad energy from my tantra practice. In other words the bad energy is more "evil fire" jing energy - since you are taking it in - it is a type of alchemical agent, a mix of jing, qi, and shen together - so like a holographic imprint on the soul - as Taoist Yoga says at first the energy is just a twinkle - a subconscious light qi or spirit-vitality signal - but then it builds into thoughts and then becomes like an addiction. So then as you send out yin chi energy it is a mixture of prenatal and postnatal depending on how much food you have ionized - and so you can burn off more prenatal qi energy as you go along. Taoist Yoga says it's like kicking a football - it is exciting as you do it but you don't realize you are depleting the air in the ball. So the only way to rebuild prenatal jing is only through celibacy Emptiness practice - the Taoist Yoga book is very clear about this. But again it is difficult to really build up the energy since just talking about the subject is itself an impurity - but also - just reread my Cavity of Prenatal Vitality post - on my blog - the Emptiness is required to properly build up the energy. So basically with language we are in a much slower realm of consciousness while reality is based on spirit communication and then is stored in us subconsciously - as "evil fire" energy - and so then the standing active exercises purify that evil fire energy. Taoist Yoga says - o.k. so if you have had evil fire thoughts during the day - or not even thoughts - just the evil fire spirit communication - then you gotta do the active exercises as quick fire practice. Taoist Yoga says - "sublimate" in the morning and purify in the evening - and then do the Emptiness meditation at midnight. So then as you build up more yin chi energy then the evil fire attacks will get more pronounced since basically we are dealing with sublimated reproductive energy - and most people are fixated on reproductive level of reality. But the practice is focused on the truth of reality as an eternal energy process - aka immortality. Yes tantra is good for health as Taoist Yoga says but it is limited and absolutely useless when death does occur. But as I said - Chunyi doesn't practice tantra since it is too dirty. Chunyi says what happens is people open the third eye a bit for the yin chi or psychic abilities and then overuse the third eye and then people get fat since they have to rely on food to rebuild their jing energy. So also tantra is very dirty - since as a yin chi energy it is actually reversing the small universe, bringing the yin chi up the front, via the vagus nerve, which also brings up and leaches out all the lower body anaerobic bacteria impurities. So for me because of my years of wrong psychic tantra practice I have to use essential oils all the time as antiseptics. For serious qigong - Chunyi says to only eat to 70% full because he says for "qigong people" the food goes to the head. So basically with third eye opening you are in a permanent altered state of reality where your energy is constantly interacting with people around you and food is getting ionized by the pineal gland into chi energy, etc. So as for Taoist Yoga being dangerous from not following the directions properly - well that is tautological - but people screaming "don't read the book" is oxymoronic - because if a person starts reading it then they should read it all and study it very closely. As for what is "authentic" or not - again there are going to be obviously infinite nuances - but for me by far the most dangerous impact is having people trying to force me to be ignorant. haha. I personally find that very suspicious when people threateningly want to keep you away from information. Taoist Yoga repeatedly calls building up the yin chi energy "nourishing the brain" and that also how Chunyi is describing it. Taoist Yoga says gluttonous people and lustful people can achieve the Tao as Tai Chi but only if they are able to conquer their sleep - because what happens is that even if you have no bad thoughts - if you have that subconscious evil fire spirit exchange with people then the heart energy is too impure and in deep dreamless sleep the heart fire energy descends to the lower tan tien and deconverts the qi back into fluid and the alchemical agent gets lost.

So then you ask how do you go into the Emptiness - based on visualization? Actually in the real Emptiness the body is filled with yang qi energy so much that the centers of the hands and feet and the top of the head are pulsating with electromagnetic energy and also physical breathing is next to not necessary - as is food and water and sleep. So then the Emptiness can be thought of as a spacetime vortex - and just as there are different levels of consciousness there are also different levels of Emptiness. So what Taoist Yoga says is that at the end of the book - the spirit-vitality or qi-shen actually spreads across the whole universe and then it can reform whenever it chooses to back into a physical form. So the thing about the Emptiness as the golden aura is that it is a brighter light as yuan qi - a deeper level of spirit-vitality energy on the body-mind level and on the cosmic astral level. So the yang qi is the intention as spirit-vitality while yuan qi is a reversed spacetime level of the same type of energy. Consider that a black hole becomes a white hole when the energy is reversed 180 degrees in spacetime. So physiologically - again the Cavity of prenatal vitality is the yuan qi while the cavity of spirit as the prefrontal cortex intention (along with the spirit light of the heart) then is the yang qi energy. Or as Ramana Maharshi says - the Emptiness is not light - or as he calls it awareness is not light - formless awareness is not light - but at the same time you use light-consciousness to merge into the Emptiness - or as he calls it the sattva mind consciousness is what merges into formless nonduality. And so how I define it is that Emptiness is actually the eternal process of energy creation from precisely this eternal yin-yang dynamic as complementary opposites. You ask about visualization but you can not see the Emptiness - yet you can listen to the Emptiness. The thing about listening - as logical inference - is that no "one" is actually listening. there is no beginning and ending to listening. That's what Ramana Maharshi calls it Mouna Samadhi as the formless awareness - "silence samadhi" - listening is the eternal process of energy creation as complementary opposites with yin as the Perfect 4th and yang as the Perfect 5th music intervals. My blog goes into more details on that. So most of us - we only practice in the void - as for the Emptiness - as Taoist Yoga says if you do actually achieve it - the first time you achieve it there is left a state of confusion. This is exactly what happened to me - I had the Emptiness experience and I came out of it confused. But I didn't realize that Taoist Yoga actually explained that was normal! The qigong master says - in the Emptiness you can't feel your body at all and you can't see anything. Think of it like deep dreamless sleep but you remain in awareness. Or as a Near Death Experiencer described - or was told - the light of the universe is not God - but rather the light of the universe is what God is breathing - and you can't actually ever see God.

The big point of Taoist Yoga is that as a person starts building up their yin chi energy then what happens is that there has to also be increased purification. So if there are any impurities they have to be purified during the day - before the midnight practice as the alchemical agent. So the midnight practice as the alchemical agent is the Emptiness practice. Now the best way to do the purification is through the quick fire technique and this deep fast reverse breathing is best achieved through standing active exercises. So Taoist Yoga makes this emphasis - if there is just mind meditation then the alchemical agent gets lost because the practiser didn't do that deep fast reverse breathing. The spirit on its own is not strong enough to drive up the yin chi energy to purify. And so based on this understanding - of course celibacy has to be maintained. Even if a person is young and chaste it still takes 10 months of building up the energy to get to the Tai Chi. So Taoist Yoga is very explicit - this is not just restoring the energy so that the person can basically be reproductive again - on the contrary - you have to go way beyond that - for a middle age man it would be 18 months of building up the energy. Not only that - even if you have no emissions - you can still lose yin chi energy out of the body via any of the lower emotions - like if a person "gets a rise" out of you by getting you angry - that is a way they are taking your energy - or various other means. So to store up the energy is quite difficult - and this is why traditional qigong was the final training after the martial arts training because to store up the energy requires creating an emotional and physical space for yourself. Since this training works on complementary opposites that means the more energy you store up then the more others will desire it and try to take it. Also Taoist Yoga emphasizes that it will be more tempting for you to use the energy and give to it others - why? Because the energy comes from the heart. But this is still evil fire energy since it is sent as romantic love yin chi energy. So the "unconditional love" that SFQ teaches is actually the yang qi created after the yin chi is built up. SFQ now makes the difference between the void and the Emptiness with the later achieved only after the yin chi energy is built up. This is not explicitly detailed as a training process by SFQ - except as the gong training, etc. I mean Chunyi was more strict originally but then he became more "Americanized" as he says it - or as the qigong master says just the students didn't have the intention of making such a commitment. As for other people saying what is the true teachings or not - the way I see it is there are true principles that are universal psychophysiological transformations and they are transcultural - it's just that qigong or the traditional Chinese training - developed as a type of science that provides very specific information. Within that arena certainly there will be various sects and schools, etc. and the key I think is to find a teacher who has the abilities and then to figure out what the teacher is actually trying to explain. So all I can say is only the book Taoist Yoga has been able to explain specifically what is going on in the training process. I asked for evidence on the accusation that it is a mistranslation - and the only evidence provided so far is that the term "Microcosmic orbit" is not found in the Chinese. That might sound bad at the face of it - but in actuality that is not considered to be a problem - in fact it is common knowledge that Charles Luk "coined the term" microcosmic orbit for what had previously been called the small heavenly orbit, etc. So maybe I personally don't like the term "microcosmic orbit" but I don't really consider it a mistranslation - others like Mantak Chia picked it up and popularized it. Personally I like the "small universe" term that Chunyi uses. Is that also a "mistranslation?" haha. Is that the best evidence someone can provide for why Taoist Yoga is dangerous to use, etc.? If that is the case - I mean personally if I thought Taoist Yoga was dangerous to use I would be the first to want to tell people the details of why it is dangerous. And yet none are forthcoming. Instead when we ask for evidence we get something that is even considered "bragging rights" by others about the Taoist Yoga book. haha. Oh well - like I said when I first mentioned Taoist Yoga on this forum back in 2005 - or so - people freaked saying the book was too dangerous and so people shouldn't read it. Very strange. I find those kind of intimidating scare tactics to be kind of cultish. And then you tell me that such and such school claims you don't have to store up celibacy energy. haha. Hilarious! That is so typical - I have shared this store before but I think it explains a lot about the energy. I did the intensive training - including the week long fast just taking a half glass of water the whole time. My yang qi energy was activated - and I was 29 years old at the time and had a lot of prenatal energy - and anyway so then I went to the Level 3 retreat for SFQ. So it was a big conference room, I was in the back, but I could barely stand being the room due to one man in the front with this awful death rotting smell. No one else seemed to notice except that Chunyi explained that qigong masters can smell cancer and it smells like rotting flesh. So then that man explained he had traveled from across the u.s. to get special healing - so I knew he had cancer and sure enough as Chunyi healed him then the smell went away. So then we had a break and I went to my room and I was in full lotus and the pain was too strong since I had just been in full lotus for a couple hours - but I just transmitted yang qi out of my hands using sword fingers and the numbness in the feet vanished immediately. But then it was these 1950s cabins and not only could I hear what was going on - but I could smell the same death stench through the wall - it was that man only now his female lover was there - taking the energy that chunyi had sent to heal him - and so the man's death rotting stench came back. Now I'm thinking - how in the world can that lady even be in the same room with the man - not to mention make love to him? But she could not only not smell the cancer but she was fixated on getting his energy which had been sent to him by Chunyi. And so even if a qigong master transmits the spirit-vitality or shen-qi energy - the yuan qi energy from the Emptiness - it can still be easily deconverted back into sex fluid energy by the impurities of people around us. I have personally experienced this on many times when the qigong masters fill me with energy and then people around me go crazy wanting to get it from me, etc. My point is that - the basic formula is that it takes a lot of jing to make qi and a lot of qi to make shen. So if you get shen then it turns into a lot of jing. So yes it is possible to just get lots of shen and so then you have lots of jing - but you can't get that kind of shen on your own unless you do the first approach - building up the foundation. Chunyi has emphasized - you can not just magically fully open the third eye - you have to first build up a strong lower tan tien foundation - and again this energy is easily deconverted by the impurities. So that's why Chunyi says to get to advanced level requires going into retreat or in solitude in Nature, etc. People are always making various claims - I have seen a lot of different qigong claims over the years. Even SFQ has changed their claims as Chunyi has gotten more experience about just what "Americanization" means. haha. We live in a culture that is the opposite of the qigong training.

I'll add too - people are wondering what are valid signs of progress? First of all a basic question is can you sit in full lotus in ease? Now people have all sorts of answers but the thing is that whether your bones or whatever are ossified - if you are building up the yin chi energy then you become limber like a baby again. So then if you are in full lotus and say your feet go into deep pain - you should be able to make the sword fingers and just shoot qi out of your hands into your feet to clear out the blockage. Now I only achieved that state for a few weeks back in 2000! So - since then - I mean I still can sit in full lotus for hours non-stop but it's not the same as "in ease." The qigong master said you can tell if someone is a qigong master if they can sit in full lotus in ease for as long as they want. Also that includes left leg on top - I was sitting right leg on top which is still easiest. But as the qigong masters say - left leg on top opens up the liver energy more for internal focus while right leg on top is what was done for external teaching and focus - only after enlightenment is achieved. so the thing is also - if I were to summarize Taoist Yoga - it does say that if you can "freeze" or fix the spirit in the lower tan tien then pretty much everything else will take care of itself. The thing is that if you do really open up the SHO - then you being to have astral travel but as Taoist Yoga explains if your spirit leaves before it is enveloped in enough yang qi energy then it causes dizzy confusion - literally a spacetime vortex spinning around you. So the solution is to focus more in the lower tan tien. But what other texts state - and Taoist Yoga does also but not so clearly - is that it has to be the prenatal or yuan qi from the Emptiness that guides the intentional yang qi. So in other words you just keep emptying out the thoughts which is also the practice of bringing the cavity of prenatal qi into focus as the Emptiness. The problem is that even if the SHO gets opened - if you're doing a visualization practice like SHO - the question becomes where do you go with your spirit? The energy practice actually accelerates as it builds up - and so that is why the Emptiness focus is crucial. It's not so much as where or what - but who is doing the practice? The Emptiness is doing the practice itself.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/155949681/Komjathy-Louis-Cultivating-Perfection-Mysticism-and-Self-Transformation-in-Early-Quanzhen-Daoism#scribd That's the book that is recommended - Louis Komjathy's 2007 Ph.D. thesis published. I was referred to in this thread - but hilariously the person inaccurately portrayed what I was saying. haha. As for Taoist Yoga being a mistranslation - that's an accusation with no evidence presented. Not a very good practice in my opinion. If you want to make an accusation please provide some evidence. So I searched on my own - and I found the grandson of the author recommending Taoist Yoga as the grandson is continuing the teaching of the author. I found some people saying that the Taoist Yoga book is incomplete. Maybe so - but can anyone provide the missing information? I mean it's easy to be a critic - but what's the solution? I just perused the Komjathy tome and sure it has a chapter that is the translation of a teaching and that's lots of great info to be sure. Is it better than Taoist Yoga as a teaching manual? I guess it all depends. I blogged my response on this in further detail http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2015/01/cultivating-perfection-recommended.html The qigong master said he was confident I could succeed and now having made this discovery from Taoist Yoga based on studying the text in further detail - I too am fairly confident I can succeed. But obviously everyone is coming at this from their own perspectives. I'm just passing on what I have learned. All I can say is only the Taoist Yoga book has paid off for me and it's been just what I needed right now.

There was previously a long thread on the focus of chapter one of the Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality book and since then the question has been raised again - where exactly is the location of the cavity of original spirit? Or that same intent worded slightly differently. I had researched this before but it is very subtle and important - in fact crucial training information - because the cavity of spirit on its own is still "negative spirit" as inner fire or yin chi energy - it is seen as light internal in the brain. But then what people really miss is that along with that cavity of spirit there is also the "cavity of prenatal vitality" which is described as a "pearl the size of a grain of rice" - at the top of the medulla oblongata: In other words it's the infamous pineal gland. Why is this difference so important? When there are evil thoughts it triggers the prenatal vitality - the yuan qi - to shoot down the marrow of the spine to create generative fluid. But guess what? As Taoist Yoga states - the biggest problem in the training is that it increases the passions that had to be cut off in the first place. In fact the "form of love" can "steal the generative force" - the yin chi energy. And "bad air" getting into the body can scatter and drain the qi energy. So how does this happen. Well we have now the cavity of spirit and the cavity of prenatal vitality - both in the brain. Then we have the cavity of true or real vitality which is the lower tan tien. How is the lower tan tien created? By stilling the heart it causes the spirit-fire to descend which then turns the yin jing generative force into yang jing or yin chi energy. When this yin chi energy is built up and further purified through the small universe - what is happening? It is cycled through the cavity of prenatal vitality thereby uniting the solar (heart yin chi or positive fire) with the lunar negative fire of prenatal vitality - and by this process creating the yang qi as true spirit-vitality. O.K. so only after the lower tan tien is filled up does then the cavity of "original spirit" open up as the Tai Chi - and guess what - to look for its location inside or outside the body is wrong. It is the Mysterious Gate and too profound and wondrous - it is the Oneness, etc. O.K. so why is this so difficult? When there is lust or passion in the heart - this causes the yin chi energy as positive fire to go up the front of the body (shooting out of the eyes) while the lunar negative fire as the prenatal vitality from the pineal gland goes down the spine of the body - thereby the opposite of the small universe purification. This causes the loss of yin chi energy out of the eyes while causes the prenatal vitality to turn into generative fluid. But as Taoist Yoga states it is very tempting to use the chi energy as it develops. http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2015/01/fixing-spirit-in-original-cavity-its.html I have blogged on this giving longer quotes from the book. The point is that the difference between the cavity of spirit as negative spirit and the cavity of prenatal vitality as the pineal gland is not recognized at all - at least I have never seen it done so - yet it is a key secret of the alchemical training to create the cavity of original spirit and the cavity of true vitality (the lower tan tien).

Taoist Yoga describes things physiologically that Western science does not and can not know about since Western science is based on an inaccurate foundation of materialistic infinity. As for your other comments - they have the same problem as the above - having the wrong foundation you have the wrong trajectory. The terminology used in Taoist Yoga is confusing but that's just because it's complex and every word needs to be studied in great detail. Again the "cavity of prenatal vitality" is mentioned on page 6 as being the pineal gland - not that term but the description is the same. The cavity of prenatal vitality is not mentioned again until page 66. It is different than the cavity of spirit which arises from the heart and is expressed out of the eyes. I'm writing this not for you since you don't seem interested in the book. I know there are people reading this who are interested in the book on its own terms. So the book says that the "form of love" of the opposite sex will "steal the generative force." This is the problem of "evil fire" of the heart - which then pulls up the yin chi energy from the lower tan tien and shoots it out of the eyes. To stop that then the cavity of spirit needs to be emptied out to the cavity of prenatal vitality - no thoughts so the heart is not stirred. Otherwise the cavity of prenatal vitality sends qi down to deconvert the ocean of yin chi energy into fluid. So yeah the practice is serious and does require constant observance of this. As Taoist Yoga states this is the most common reason for failure in the training because the qi energy makes it easier for passion to be activated when in fact the training requires the opposite. So that is why I am emphasizing it. Only Taoist Yoga explains the specific energetic pathways for why this is a problem. Yeah I know it is strict but then that's why there are so few qigong masters. haha. Taoist Yoga says it will be very tempting to use the energy. I spent a lot of time with a qigong master this year and I was surprised at how strict he was. But I needed to understand why was it necessary to be so strict. He said that even the original qigong master says watching t.v. is too immoral and the qigong master said the computer also. So Taoist Yoga calls it a battle against the enemy - against demonic spirits.

The eye twinkling in the Taoist Yoga book - just to clarify again - refers to the yin chi energy being pulled up the front of the spine - via the vagus nerve - and the evil fire of the heart - so that the yin chi energy then shoots out of the eyes via the heart yin spirit energy. As Taoist Yoga states yang qi energy is just concentrated yin chi energy. So the issue is whether a person can build up their yin chi energy enough without it being sucked out of them. By sucked out - I mean for example females staring and bouncing their legs to masturbate to suck in the yin chi energy - this activates their vagus nerve. So yeah I wrongly practiced tantra for a long time - intentionally sending out this energy into females. Why is it wrong? Because only by having the intention focused on the Emptiness do you then properly connect the Cavity of Prenatal Vitality (the pineal gland) forward to the heart Cavity of Spirit that emanates out of the eyes. Otherwise you can see negative spirit in your brain but that, as was wrongly argued before, does not necessarily mean progress on the path - because that negative spirit light in the brain can just be yin chi energy that has gotten pulled up the front of the body and will then be lost out of the body due to evil fire of the heart. So that is why the Emptiness has to be held onto by pulling the pineal gland prenatal qi forward by using the intention of the heart spirit fire to pull the qi forward, thereby reversing the damage caused by evil fire - which triggers the pineal gland to shoot chi down the spine to convert the jing into fluid. So also the standing active deep breathing and small universe are key parts of the practice but as far as the intention - this can at first be just a concentrated thought like a mantra - to empty out the thoughts since then the heart won't be stirred with the conscious thoughts are emptied out. I was told by the qigong master that tantra is always inherently limited and I knew that by practice but I just didn't know the specific physiological reason of why tantra was limited - the difference between the Cavity of Prenatal Vitality and the Cavity of Spirit explains that difference and also explains why the strict focus on the Emptiness is necessary for any real success in the practice. Before I felt sorry for females and so I sent them the yin chi energy but as Taoist Yoga states that just makes them more addicted to this reverse flow of energy that inherently limits the power of the energy to achieve the Tai Chi which is actually a type of immortality. Taoist Yoga does state that tantra is good for health but in terms of achieving the Tai Chi as the Tao the negative spirit as just light inside the brain is absolutely useless.

My post is only for people practicing strict celibacy. Sorry for those who don't qualify. You know who you are so don't waste people's time with lies. First of all the vagus nerve runs in the front of the spine. The pineal gland is trigger by evil thoughts causing yuan qi to go down the back of the spine - those evil thoughts are also triggered by the lower tan tien energy going up the front of the spine via the vagus nerve. In other words the reverse microcosmic orbit. So no - the secret is to stop that from happening - the key is to actually pull the pineal gland energy forward - the yuan chi - so it then accesses the spirit-light energy coming up from the heart as the cavity of negative spirit. It's traditionally called "turning the light around" because the only way to pull the pineal gland qi forward is to empty out the thoughts - I call this "flexing the pineal gland." By emptying out the thoughts you turn of intentional focus back to the pineal gland. You can't really put it into words - it can only be done after you have conscious control of the pineal gland. But the key secret here again is that there is a difference between the cavity of spirit (heart light) and cavity of prenatal vitality (pineal gland). If you don't believe me - I posted more on my blog to corroborate: So clearly fire from spirit and fire from prenatal vitality are different. So when we sleep the cavity of spirit naturally descends to the lower tan tien - if there are any evil thoughts from lack of celibacy then it causes loss of the alchemical agent. This can happen even without any bad dreams - during deep sleep. So also it doesn't even require evil thoughts - just loss of yin chi out of the eyes - in Taoist Yoga called "twinkle of the eyes" at forms of love - it is a speed of light transmission. So the only way to fix that is to constantly turn the light around by using your intention to empty out the thoughts so that you pull the cavity of prenatal vitality forward to it uses the qi to stop the light from leaving the eyes. Also remember to keep the tongue against the roof of the mouth so that when the spirit-vitality develops it descends via the vagus nerve down to the lower tan tien. Again its very rare to actually fill up the lower tan tien with spirit-vitality which then finally enables the cavity of "original spirit" to manifest as an enlightenment experience. By the way - the focus of this practice is actually the same as mind yoga as vichara nondualism - the book Taoist Yoga says that oneness of thought is the key to the final Emptiness. So in reality if you can hold onto oneness of thought - aka turn the light around - then everything else will follow. Of course the other techniques like standing active exercise, reverse breathing, small universe - are key tools - but in the end the oneness of thought is what guides the practice yet is also the goal of the practice.

Keep in mind that if you are successfully in filling the lower tan tien then you need to keep moving into deeper purification - as the book Taoist Yoga states - at first the lower tan tien will get hot and then it will stay hot all day - and then you begin developing strong electromagnetic energy as the real yang qi or true spirit-vitality. The book Taoist Yoga states - then you can go a day without food - and after that you can go a week without food. At that point the body is filled with electromagnetic yang qi - true spirit-vitality - so that the center of hands and feet are pulsating with electromagnetic energy and also the top of the head pulsates and it gets soft and opens up. That's when the real astral travel begins, along with the third eye opening up - and the central channel and the microcosmic orbit really opens up as real kundalini - that is the "nirvikalpa samadhi" stage as it's called in yoga. So there has been Western documentation of this - the conferences on "bigu" for example organized by Rustom Roy, the chemist professor - and so for example a lady in Beijing went a couple months with no food and yet she had no loss of nutrition - published in a peer-reviewed western science journal. haha. But for that - called "converting jing to qi" - it requires basically a constant samadhi concentration. For example Milarepa got his samadhi energy from Dakinis - female spirits - but when he went out of full lotus samadhi then he eat nettles so much that his skin was green. haha. So it is possible also to take in jing energy from other people and you can live off that - I fasted 5 days this summer while working in the warehouse - doing strong physical labor. But this is dangerous and tantra always limits your energy level to the yin chi - you can only begin to start making yang qi through tantra - what is called emptying out the realm of form in mahayana buddhism. No - to get to the real yang qi state requires constant purification based on the Emptiness meditation - and since it is too tempting to use the yang qi energy as everyone desires it - then through heroic overexuberance the practiser falls back into wordliness as Master Nan, Huai-chin described it. Then it does require relying on post-natal food sources to replenish the energy - but yeah if you are young then the quick route is based on purification. Just be forewarned - as you build up energy then the more people around you will try to take it - and even energy shooting out of your eyes can then increase people's desire for your energy. I did an 8 day fast on half a glass of water the whole time - when the yang qi is strong then you create water through a type of reverse electrolysis - it must be the qi-spirit energy transmuting hydrogen and oxygen into water so that it fills up in the third eye and runs down to the lower tan tien as the ambrosia. But if there is a spacetime vortex with everything spinning around you - that means your "yin shen" spirit has left the body without enough yang qi enveloping it - so then you just have to keep focusing on the lower tan tien to keep building up the energy.

On the issue of primordial spirit being circulated through the body - this is a good point - but keep in mind that as the practice advances then the circulation of energy is not just limited to the internal body - the "body" becomes extended. So for example as I quoted recently in Taoist Yoga near the end - the author says to actually suck in the demonic spirits from outside the body - to suck them into the body and thereby transform and purify the demonic spirits into the primordial spirit. Also at the end of the training - what happens is that the physical body is destroyed but since the golden immortal body is based on the prenatal spirit-vitality or yuan qi - then the qi as energy actually scatters across the whole universe. But then the qi energy can when it chooses condense again into a physical body - then yang shen body. So before that stage then multiple "yang shen" bodies are already formed - that go out and heal people etc. So it begs the question whose bodies are they - or - what is the "original" physical body? I mean - the original one gets destroyed but it can be reformed and also can be transformed etc. So my point again is that the nondual reality is an eternal energy transformation experience - but yeah the training is to continue intensifying the energy to build up the golden immortal body that is actually not a physical body but an energy body that can take physical form. Taoist Yoga calls it the "fa shen" body - as the essential nature body of the universe which then can create multiple yang shen bodies when it is not in its universal primordial spirit or yang chi-spirit formless that again fills the whole universe as the truth of reality.

I wud defer to the Taoist Yoga book as this is the Taoist forum and having just reread much of the book - it does focus on the "Oneness" - so the real issue here is the difference between "essential nature" as the Emptiness and as Taoist Yoga states "real Nature." The later "real nature" is created only after essential nature as yin descends as spirit from the heart to the sea of chi - via emptiness meditation - thereby creating the lower tan tien and when the foundation is established the middle tan tien creates yang qi which begins to open up the upper tan tien as the cavity of spirit-vitality or "true vitality." O.K. so you have spirit in the heart but it is still "yin shen" - or what Taoist Yoga calls "relative void" - you can see it with your eyes close as you begin to build up yin chi in the lower tan tien. But it's only when you can see light outside your head - in front of you - that you have actually opened up the cavity of spirit-vitality as yang qi - as a Tai Chi experience or enlightenment experience. So that experience then is a oneness experience that Taoist Yoga describes with Buddhist terms - "neti, neti" logic - "neither this, nor that." Also it is emphasized that you can not really place a location on the source of pre-natal spirit-vitality. But the original qigong master calls prenatal spirit-vitality "unconditional love." It is like Ramana Maharshi saying it is on the right side of the heart - why? Well mind yoga is left brain meditation using logical inference - and actually the reptilian left side vagus nerve goes to the right side of the heart and stops the heart. Ramana Maharshi had his heart stop - after that achieving permanent samadhi. The original qigong master also had this experience - he said his heart stopped for over 2 hours but he was still walking around. haha. He doesn't recommend it for people but just says this is possible - why? His spirit energy was not just "yin shen" but it was spirit-vitality - the qi-shen combination that is actually the truth of Oneness - of the Universe or the Emptiness, etc. It is not bound to any location. We can't "see" the Emptiness but we can listen to it - that's why it's called Mouna Samadhi - and from the Emptiness is created the prenatal true vitality. So there is a physiological correlation but that process of listening creates the yin and yang from the Emptiness as an eternal process that we are just a part of - we can resonate with it - but it's not defined by physical location. It's like the qigong master says that the foundation of reality is actually more like 2 dimensional and the 3-D world is collapsed into the 2D one like a holographic - but even more so it is like it is defined by time that can not be seen - yet the time is eternal.

I went 6 months this year with no emission. But first of all - and I just did a rereading of Taoist Yoga book - I've been studying that book now off and on for 14 years. I agree it's the best book to study for the science of training - but first of all keep in mind that it is also very strict and for this reason it is easily not followed. So here's a basic principle found throughout the book - the "quick fire" practice means that it's necessary to have strong reverse breathing pranayama to drive the - yin chi - energy up the spine because mind concentration to lower the yin shen (spirit-fire) on its own is not strong enough to move the generative force. So for example the author is asked why the practiser is not having success with the small universe meditation and the author says - well because they're just doing it as a mind exercise without the strong breathing. But the foundation for the success of the small universe practice, as the book points out, is that it links together the mind and breath - and when those two are synchronized then you get the combined effect. So the book says to do a 1 to 3 ratio of quick fire to slow fire (small universe) but the thing is that most people never even "lay the foundation" which means to fill up the lower tan tien with the "positive generative force" or yang jing aka yin chi energy. So as chapter 3 details - you need to open up the body channels as a quick fire practice - as the original qigong master says - at first to build up the yin chi energy you actually need a 3 to 1 ratio - 3 times more standing active exercise or quick fire. It is this deep reverse breathing that then forces up your "sea of chi" energy (below the navel) to invigorate the brain to create the yin chi energy (seen as light in the brain) - and thereby getting the chi up into the yin shen areas. So yeah I did practice full lotus as my main practice for a long time - but actually the standing active exercises are the best way to build up the yin chi energy. Why? Because - as Taoist Yoga states - we can take in "bad air" - the metaphor for bad qi energy around us - and also if there is any type of "form of love" this steals the yin chi energy (generative force). So the book states the practice the small universe when there is any free time and to also keep the tongue against the roof of the mouth at all times and also to talk as little as possible, etc. Again to actually build up the lower tan tien is not even achieved by most people since it requires strict celibacy as mind emptiness - and so the quick fire practice will purify the mind. Sitting in full lotus works well for sublimation but it should be combined with the deep reverse breathing - and then sit nonstop for two hours - and as Yogananda stated, padmasana "burns bad karma." So the thing is that as far as the real location of the third eye or of the "thrusting" central channel - that is a spiritual location that is non-local - it can't be defined by our consciousness in three dimensional space-time - it is a holographic reality. The book points this out and constantly reminds the reader that if you are attached to your consciousness or have the intention of a goal like that - then it actually limits the practice. So it is a "three in one" type of non-dualism that is the real teaching. The "immortal breathing" that is being referred to - this only happens after the lower tan tien is filled with energy and it actually means you have yang qi going in one direction of the macrocosmic orbit while the prenatal "true vitality" is going in the other direction. This again is a holographic reality - the prenatal vitality is from the serenity found in a deeper "location" in the lower tan tien - and again it must at all times be defended against demonic forces. So this is why just talking about the subject causes blockages that have to be repaired and the real training is done in secret - "mouna" or silence samadhi. But the original qigong master said when he first started teaching that to create the real qi - the yang qi or "true vitality" there must be no thoughts of sex. So again there's no point in talking about it since that creates the blockage - you either understand and practice it or you get people making wild claims otherwise. To find people who have actually filled up their lower tan tien - that is actually rare - and even if they get to that stage - which I did - it's even more difficult to "stabilize" the energy or fully open the third eye. So as Taoist Yoga states it is very tempting to use any qi energy you have created - and this is where the "evil fire" problem comes in - you get the "illusory agent" because when you see the form of love it activates your qi energy - but in fact this is being done without real Emptiness - and so you can not create pre-natal qi unless you have energy Emptiness. So as I mentioned I went 6 months with no emission but that is not the same as building up the yin chi energy! Keep in mind - you can lose the generative force - people can suck it up or soak it up from you - it is transmitted out of your eyes or even from your body - if people look at you with "evil eyes" - their lower consciousness lust, etc. So also as you mention - getting angry, etc. - but the overexcitement of the heart is the final lower emotion to be overcome. Why? Because as you build up yin chi energy - then it is basically stored up semen that has been ionized into chi energy - and the TAoist Yoga book even says this. And so people will chase after your energy and also then your chi energy will that much easier be activated back into yin jing (internal heat, bliss, with swelling of the genitals, etc.). So this is the false fire of the heart - or the evil fire. So the book Taoist Yoga states that basically you spend the day constantly purifiying your energy but then finally at midnight it is the extreme yin of Emptiness - the eternal nature of the upper tan tien energy manifests the strongest and from extreme yin you get activation of the yang energy as prenatal vitality (true vitality or yuan qi) - and so then you can practice the small universe without it being based on the illusory agent.

I'm not sure about the "good speed" conclusion because you can easily have an accident, get delayed or lost, etc. "The generative force which is still immature can not produce the white light of vitality...." p. 122 The point being if you only see light internally and not externally - the internal light is called the "relative void" and that's why it's absolutely useless - it is not a permanent transformation as occurs when the generative force is full. So when the lower tan tien fills with yin chi then you hit the Tai Chi as an enlightenment experience and you achieve the "absolute void" as real Emptiness - seeing light outside of your body. "if thoughts are allowed to rise during meditation, outside air will enter the body and blow out the light." p. 123 This indicates just how difficult this training is - what he is talking about is bad energy lowering the frequency in the body - caused by the mind not being strong enough to protect against it - not maintaining concentration. So the analogy of a road trip is not accurate in my opinion. My experience is the metaphor of climbing a mountain - 10% of Everest climbers die from the experience. The higher you go the more dangerous it is. "It is very difficult for the practiser to refrain from using this manifesting vitality (which is tempting). He has to bury the heart (the seat of the fire of passion) in order to resurrect (essential) nature." p. 152 So that vitality is the light that can be seen in front of him - outside of his body. And we can say at this point - and since the beginning - for the real training - there should be no goal pursued at all - no mountaintop nor destination. "His discrimination and likes and dislikes will cause demonic states to manifest thereby destroying all previous progress....This is the death of consciousness leading to the resurrection of (essential) nature." p. 153 What I find fascinating is that at the end of the practice it states: "concentrating on the demonic light to suck it into his body in order to transmute it into positive light. As time passes this demonic light will be purified and transformed into the light of positive spirit which will sustain the foetus in its full development." p. 173 This is exactly what I was wondering about when I saw the original qigong master - he had dead people as spirits hovering around him and yet at the same time the original qigong master kept creating more yin spirits out of the top of his head that he sent out to heal people - individualized spirit healing. So then when the original qigong master explained that he was sending the dead people back into the Emptiness - I wondered if he was actually sucking them into his body and transforming them into positive spirit (golden light as the prenatal vitality Emptiness) and then sending out yin spirits from that energy - light of vitality - to heal people. I think that above statement confirms that to be the case. "You have realised only the negative spirit which appears during the preliminary stages of the practice. When you close your eyes and see a white light in front of you it is negative spirit which is absolutely useless....restore the generative force to invigorate the brain so that the positive spirit manifests....If you wrongly search for the negative spirit by closing your eyes to look into the (relative) emptiness of the void it will lead to (the realm of) birth and death which is in the province of consciousness; you then will achieve nothing until you die." pp. 78-9. "the production of post-natal negative spirit results in consciousness." p. 79 "inertness to false voidness leads." p. 48 "Voidness which does not radiate [outside of the body] is relative but voidness which radiates is absolute. Absolute voidness is not empty like relative voidness. Voidness that is not empty is spiritual light which is spirit-vitality that springs from the yellow hall centre (huang ting or middle tan t'ien in the solar plexus)." p. 3 So that doesn't happen until the lower tan tien is filled up with the positive generative force - yang jing or yin chi energy.

O.K. - more details about the base of the spine for kundalini. The yang qi descends from the lower tan tien via the front channel - functioning channel - to the base of the spine.

"If spirit wanders outside, vitality will scatter to become generative fluid, the exhaustion of which causes death." p. 83 "When the eyes see a form of love it steals the generative force." p. 28 Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality calls this the "fire of the heart" as "evil fire" that "arouses the genital organ, and although thoughts are absent, this fire is not the genuine one...." (p. 53). So I'm talking about something as light signaling - no thoughts - it's a type of Emptiness already - but it's still evil fire. "the eyes twinkle and the heart vibrates in sympathy." So the eyes pick something up via light signaling but without conscious thoughts. Then "as thoughts increase" the evil fire becomes more intense and the genital organ will be aroused more frequently....

So the term for yang qi in Taoist Yoga is "positive spirit." So the yin shen is negative spirit of the heart as fire - it normally leaves the body through the eyes and the generative force is also lost through the eyes. The thing is that by focusing on eternal nature which is negative or yin - this causes the negative spirit yin to descend to go under the water generative force to turn it into yang jing or positive generative force. That positive generative force can still be lost through the eyes - it is still negative over all. It's not until the yin chi energy fills up the lower tan tien does the then positive principle manifest as the Tai Chi - the positive spirit. So it states - Taoist Yoga states on page 78 - if you see white light when your eyes are closed - that's just negative spirit - and is "absolutely useless."