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This is where the model of music is so handy. I too had this concept of "consciousness" (formless Brahman) as existing apart from phenomena. Actually consciousness is the PROCESS by which phenomenon are made manifest through energy. So consciousness is like spacetime only it's formless since it's not "contained" by a spatial measurement -- as is the case in Western science. So there's lots of ways to misunderstand both Buddhism and Vedic philosophy -- but actually consciousness is an eternal process in Vedic philosophy as well as in Buddhism. The process is not through language -- that's the ultimate limitation of philosophy. It's the difference between conscious awareness and pure consciousness as formless awareness. That's where the terminology gets switched around easily if the practice is not focused on.

Awesome.

Full-lotus is fun too. Thanks for sharing.

Greetings fellow earthing.

Well the problem with that article is the author relies on Professor emeritus Ernest McClain for his music tuning sources. I've corresponded with McClain and I've read his books. McClain has some fascinating research documenting the use of music ratios as the basis for the irrational number -- the Pythagorean Theorem. So 9/8 the major second interval CUBED was the first approximation for the square root of two and it is ALSO the tritone interval aka "the Devil's Interval." The problem with McClain is that he doesn't question the "divide and average" mathematics of the harmonic ratios. In fact the irrational ratios were established by Archytas and Eudoxus -- and then Aristoxenus codified them. But TRUE PYTHAGOREAN HARMONICS do not use "divide and average" math -- instead relying on what quantum physics calls the "time-frequency uncertainty principle." The mistake made by the author analyzing the Gita is understood because the "divide and average" math goes back to the origins of the Solar Dynasties -- the Freemasonic plow-based city-states. China used "divide and average" math for their music and the Pythagorean Theorem was traced to ritual geometry in India around 3,000 BCE - used for chariot wheels but established by the Brahmin priests for altar construction. It was the conversion of LUNAR circular altars to the Solar square altars. This switch from the Lunar energy of the circle has been traced back to the "symbolic revolution" of 9,000 BCE by Dr. Jacques Cauvin in his book from Cambridge University Press -- "Birth of the Gods and the Origin of Agriculture." (2000)

Shaktimama -- You responded to something that I wrote in response to SOMEONE ELSE! -- which I will put in BOLD print for you to see now. THEN IN CONCLUSION I WILL NOW PUT WHAT I WROTE IN RESPONSE TO YOU IN ITALICS. I hope this clarifies things for you. Again sorry for the confusion. QUOTE(drewhempel @ Jan 12 2010, 11:19 AM) * Well some say these fundamentalist evangelical spirit possession cults are in reaction to colonialism. But still time to watch the Voodoo slave children documentary from Benin again: http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=301 I have not a freaking clue why you would respond to my post with this statement. Sometimes I wonder if you live in some parellel dimension. I thought I made gigantic leaps from one concept to another. ah well... smile.gif Well some say these fundamentalist evangelical spirit possession cults are in reaction to colonialism. But still time to watch the Voodoo slave children documentary from Benin again: http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=301 QUOTE(-O- @ Jan 12 2010, 10:15 AM) * Exactly what you leave yourself open to when catering to a reluctance to live in 'reality'. It has also lead to some of the most awful human rights issues in that area stemming from guru worship. Belief is powerful, but the power is yours and giving it away to others is dangerous - whether that be a warlord or a yoga instructor. This isn't some spiritual power - it is preying (whether intentionally or instinctually) on another's ignorance and willingness/need to believe. It is exactly why our society developed critical thinking and scientific method - to avoid the atrocities committed out of the catholic reformation. So you fix koro? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1JlD7hqxfE...player_embedded We let the crystal choose the person. "These are power beings" holding "Lemurian records." "Some of them hold Atlantean records." "When they choose the person -- the amazing aspects of how the crystal and person mix never fails...." Time to hear the holographic specialty bowls. "It enters the body multidimensionally because of the spiral." It's those damn singing Tibetan Golden Ratio holographic bowls. Ah now it's the weight of the mallet. Koro fixed.

O.K. you all are bringing up some fascinating points about soundwaves and sensory awareness. Soundwaves are modeled through number but the numbering process -- the ratios -- are actually formless. So this is a very abstract concept which is actually the process of logical inference. When we talk and think we perceive sound although it's actually just electromagnetic fields in our brain -- and the same for all the other senses. But all our senses are consciously acknowledged through language with the assumption of an individual self having those words in our head. So if we ask where does the SOUND of the I-thought come from then we have to repeat in our head -- I-I-I-I. Why I? Because the I-thought is the logical assumption of all our other thoughts -- the I-thought is the first thought upon waking up, etc. We may not think "I" but we assume it is there. Similarly when we think about where sound comes from the vibrations are measured visually -- through visual perception -- but we make the measurement in TIME -- not vision. So we can HEAR how the time flows just as we can hear our thoughts flow. When we repeat I-I-I then slowly the I-thought becomes concentrated into "one" thought. Now we are listening to the source of sound in our heads. During the study of sound there was perceived overtones and from this a law of proportions was deduced. If the visual wavelength which produces the sound is twice as long then the sound is half as high in frequency -- or half as FAST in the time of vibration. Then it could be heard that for the overtone that was 2:3 of the sound it could be inverted as 3:4 of the sound and both of these OVERTONES -- perceived through listening -- then RESOLVED back to their source as the original frequency as either 1 or the octave as 1:2. So now it was realized that the ONE SOUND actually was made up of higher ratios -- the same sound SPLIT into overtones -- and this could be heard but could also be seen visually and measured as a ratio. So then it was realized that this splitting process, logically, could be divided back into the original scale -- in other words the original splitting of sound would continue -- by NUMBERS -- to fill up the first overtone split of the octave. This is called the "circle of fifths" in music theory -- but there's a problem -- when you add up the ratios as octaves -- and then you add up the ratios as fifths -- the two do not line up completely. There is an overlap. Now what happened in WESTERN LOGIC AND WESTERN SCIENCE is that this was considered a new discovery. Instead of perceiving that the sound did not line up with the VISUAL MEASUREMENT OF THE NUMBER RATIOS the sound was CHANGED so that the VISUAL numbers DID LINE UP. Think about this - when we hear an octave it sounds the same -- but there is a very slight "beat" which is not the same. When we hear the first and second overtones -- the 2:3 and the 3:4 -- the both "resolve" to the octave - and it sounds like full resolution. Again it is slightly not the same. Why is this so? What does it mean? Instead of pursuing this discovery from pure logical inference of NUMBER instead science adopt the visual measurement of number as geometric distance. In other words the sound harmonics were ignored and instead a VISUAL system of LOGIC was established. So then we ask -- what is consciousness -- well what is time? In other words if the ratios do not line up then where does sound end or begin? Does it end when we can no longer mathematically measure it? -- obviously not. But since we can not measure it should we then CHANGE THE SOUND SO THAT WE CAN MEASURE IT? That was what the WEST DID. So when ever you hear Western music you are being BRAINWASHED about reality!! Western music is based on the "commutative property" of Western logic -- A x B = B x A -- even though this GOES AGAINST NATURAL RESONANCE because 2:3 is C to G while 3:4 is G to C. In fact the sound keeps going -- and this is what the overtone ratios tell us -- which WE CAN HEAR. There is emotion in these ratios as well and it turns out the 2:3 is YANG and the 3:4 is YIN. So the FREQUENCY of SOUND changes into other types of energy -- it's no longer sound. If it's ultrasound does that mean it can not be perceived as a human sensory awareness? Humans CAN HEAR ultrasound -- but only INTERNALLY. Well what about humans seeing light internally -- produced inside their brain? Not according to Western science. But what if the sound ratios keep resonating up -- through logical inference -- into the light waves which make up consciousness. But what now. Can we "measure" light -- Einstein said that spacetime as mass actually bends light. But quantum physics says the opposite -- due to the "time-frequency uncertainty principle" -- light can travel FASTER THAN TIME -- instantaneously -- it's called entanglement. So in science we can not measure anything faster than light and near the speed of light mass shrinks and time slows down or vice versa. But through logical inference YES we can LISTEN to consciousness directly -- as the process of complementary opposite resonance which, as abstract logic of spacetime itself, CREATES LIGHT. The concept of "soundwaves" is OXYMORONIC -- it means to DEFINE SOUND AS A VISUAL SENSE.

Oh Niko -- maybe you want to read the biography of Wang, Liping -- it's called "Opening the Dragon Gate." Of course some think it's fake but actually I took classes from a teacher who had very similar training and experiences.

Yeah the kundalini coiled three and half times around the base of the spine actually refers to the states of reality -- awake, dreaming, dreamless sleep -- and then the 4th state is Turiya which is "always already" -- pure consciousness beyond time. That's why Gurdjieff was against kundalini -- and focused on "self-remembering" because the Self is Turiya or always-already there. So instead we get three and a "half" for the 4th state.

Hi Shaktimama -- my reply to you was ABOVE your quote and the reply you responded to had been above someone else's quote. So it was just that my reply was not BELOW your quote but rather ABOVE it. I hope this clears things up for you. If not there's always the old "eat some chloroplasts" alchemy trick -- Milarepa lived off stinging nettles for a reason! http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/201001...planthalfanimal

What's happening?!

Hey psychology is a tax-deductible profession (like art and law) -- except when we export it to nonwestern cultures? http://neuroanthropology.net/2010/01/10/ex...mental-illness/

Yeah I just sit in full-lotus.

Gurdjieff called this problem the KUNDABUFFER -- Gurdjieff says that modern humans are controlled by the Kundabuffer. The Kundabuffer is the kundalini chakra in the small of the back. There is a form to the formlessness. I call this the natural resonance revolution. The full-lotus works because of the tetrahedron made up of 8 triangles each resonating as 2:3:4 -- 2:3 is yang and 3:4 is yin. So this is a nonwestern music model of meditation. It leads to the "rainbow body" which is external reality as the internal chakra holograph -- the merging of the two through a vortex which resonates as formless consciousness creating light. Consider Burmese -- the language of Burmese is not based on the Indo-European Brahmin axiom: "I am that I am." So when you speak Burmese with another person the personal pronouns are not referred to -- there is just action with no people doing it. No self -- the Buddhist philosophy is built into the language. Recently though there was a study of perfect pitch capabilities -- or absolute pitch -- you can hear and know what a note is. People do this subconsciously -- so when people sing the Happy Birthday song it's been proven that people sing it all on the same note. So they have perfect pitch without knowing it. Then it was found that East Asian speakers are more likely to have perfect pitch. But it wasn't because they spoke Mandarin -- it was because they spoke a TONAL language. So even more deeply than the phonetic "meaning" of a language or philosophy is the subconscious emotional meaning of the sound actually meant by speaking. These are the "srutis" of the Vedic scriptures. Similarly the ancient Greek texts were songs -- memorization in Western Asia was capable to an amazing degree by committing words to tonal emotional meaning. Sound or chanting then has this life force energy to it -- the electrochemical energy -- which can reverse time. Jing is the life-force energy -- jing is the beginning and end of alchemy. But the electromagnetic third eye energy is transmitted in SILENCE. Buddha taught this as the "inner ear method." But in Vedic philosophy it's called the source of the I-thought. So if you have a language that is not based on the I-thought then Vedic philosophy does not make much sense. But ironically both TONAL language and axiomatic phonetic language secretly rely on this philosophy of complementary opposite harmonics. The small universe meditation practice is from this natural resonance -- the 12 points along the outside of the body are built from the yin-yang "infinite spiral of fifths" as 2:3:4. The Hindustani issue is an example -- because the Arabic languages and Islamic philosophy are based on tonal meaning -- not phonetic meaning. So we find the same tension in Buddhism because it straddles this subconscious struggle which is repeated every time this Vedic-based philosophy is spread onto tonal indigenous cultures. Even Ghandi supported the PHONETIC meaning within Hindustani -- so he had a bias towards left-brain dominance and right-hand technology -- the means of Western imperialism. It's not just that the full-lotus is required -- but rather that the full-lotus is the most efficient expression of the inherent tonal resonance of reality -- the complementary opposites which can not be contained by form. There is a form to the formlessness -- the tai-chi symbol -- the ohm symbol -- the Tetrad of Pythagorean -- the six-sided star -- these are all based on the concept of complementary opposites as infinite resonance. In India this resonance comes from the three gunas which are found in the oldest Vedic philosophy -- and it is not orthodox. And so it is also hidden in Buddhism as the tantra practices. So the yin-yang-emptiness is the same as the three gunas. When we have left-brain dominance through phonetic language along with right-hand technology expressed through axioms then this transforms shamanism into the ritual priesthood built from the sacred geometry. Buddhist philosophy and meditation are based on the Vedic mind yoga of "neti neti" -- neither this, nor that. Some argue that the Advaita Vedanta philosophy or jnana yoga is the same as "neti, neti." Ramana Maharshi actually stated this is not true because consciousness is to be embraced as the single goal -- it is not emptiness -- but it is formless awareness to be the end goal. So instead of a "neti, neti" approach, the source of the I-thought is supposed to be the affirmation of consciousness through logical inference. But any mind yoga practice does not consciously sublimate the sex energy -- so that there has to be a caste system where the males are separated from the females. Sex is not talked about -- unless it's in the secret tantric practices. The caste system relies on hierarchy so as the population increased through the technology devised by the monks enabling greater territorial spatial expansion -- there was a paradox. Only so many males can be supported to do mind labor -- devising technological cures through ritual geometry mathematics (i.e. the Pythagorean theorem for chariot technology from ritual altar construction was around 3,000 BCE, etc.). So the POOR males have to be "householders" (pay taxes, being in the military, do "voluntary" physical labor, etc.) and have to use the secret tantric practices. Tantra is considered dirty -- because you have to deal directly with the physical interaction with female energy -- the material realm of fluids and food. But in order for the males to have strength since they still have to do physical labor then there has to be meat eaten as well. Meat and alcohol. Notice how in Tibet and Nepal -- you find monks who practice this tantric path of alcohol and even meat. Because culturally it's a colder climate -- in the cold humans had to adapt technology more and more. So meat and alcohol are not considered immoral but just "polluting" in terms of occult medical concepts. In other words you pollute the liver and kidneys from meat and alcohol but this pollution is not immoral it just needs to be purified. The same is true with shit. The secret of Asian farming -- why traditionally it was sustainable for thousands and thousands of years -- just as in Africa -- was the use of humanure -- recycling human shit. So in some tantric circles human shit is literally eaten. This sounds just stupid but just as celibacy recycles the sex energy so too does the vagus nerve of tantra recycle the shit energy -- both go up into the brain. This is pollution of course but it is not immoral. It must be purified through the third eye light energy. And so Buddhism is actually part of imperialism from the early tantric city-state empires. It's an extension of the Vedic culture but it is "reformed" to be more democratic and to have a more sophisticated left-brain ritual philosophy. Consider Thailand -- there is an old dichotomy between "city" monks and "forest" monks. The forest monks focus on meditation -- so there is less community involvement and more long-term retreats, often in solitude. The full-lotus is emphasized. The most famous monk in Thailand lived in the forests and his students had to meditate where the tigers roamed. Full-lotus was practiced with fasting and the meditation master had telepathy so he knew if the students' minds were focused or not. But with spiritual power comes jealousy. The political leaders of Thailand want the forest monks' spiritual power -- so the urban political leaders then give more and more money to the forest monks. You find the same struggle in Burma -- the political leaders want spiritual power. But the democracy movement emphasizes not power in meditation -- rather peacefulness through vipassana mind yoga -- and this democracy movement is from the urban centers. When the nonviolent protesters get massacred by the military (who are having slaves build Buddhist meditation centers for Westerners) -- then the Buddhists practicing vipassana have to flee to the jungle where the non-Burmese indigenous tribes have military armies. These are just all dialectical inversions of modern humans with left-brain dominance using right-hand technology for imperialism -- pure mind yoga is the benefit of being at the top of the political hierarchy of the caste system -- so that more military men protect you. When this doesn't work because pure mind yoga only creates spiritual power unless it's practiced in a very secluded environment -- then the military leaders turn to the more rural body full-lotus transformers. Those same "forest monks" are also considered required to CONVERT the indigenous tribes who are not yet Buddhist. So then the urban Buddhists, in protest against the military controlling the monasteries, then took a more democratic control of the monasteries. For the first time in Burma -- in reaction to the military regime -- there was a growing "lay person" Buddhist movement. So now the lay people actually do not just feed the monks but tell the monks how they monks can meditate and what the monks should teach to the lay community! In other words the monks are no longer for spiritual energy practice but to do community service to build democracy against the military regime. This is part of the Westernization of Asia -- and it's a crucial role for the monasteries - albeit it dangerous as well.

So you fix koro? We let the crystal choose the person. "These are power beings" holding "Lemurian records." "Some of them hold Atlantean records." "When they choose the person -- the amazing aspects of how the crystal and person mix never fails...." Time to hear the holographic specialty bowls. "It enters the body multidimensionally because of the spiral." It's those damn singing Tibetan Golden Ratio holographic bowls. Ah now it's the weight of the mallet. Koro fixed. Well some say these fundamentalist evangelical spirit possession cults are in reaction to colonialism. But still time to watch the Voodoo slave children documentary from Benin again: http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=301

I have yet to go into full-lotus today but I woke up after dreaming about the small universe meditation bringing me into this rainbow vortex. Anyway then I cross-correlated this thread with the Voodoo documentary I just watched -- called the Evil Eye (about the Puffer Fish neurotoxin used to make zombies). The answer is KORO -- the epidemic swept West Africa for five years ending in 2003 -- a vast psychic attack of the male penis vanishing: http://www.springerlink.com/content/m344757tr23jkq72/

Here you go on avocados -- I got a couple ripening which I'll throw in the VitaMix (Jeremy convinced me to get one!) and get back to you! http://rawandliving.tribe.net/thread/bd5aa...b3-eb8cd4418df8

I shorted out my mom's computer twice in the past few days -- but it was just from too much full-lotus. My first thought was that the computer was evil.

Yeah I hope it wasn't the Lesbian Sasquatch Cult http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesbian-sasqart/

This guy has several free videos all on youtube: There's some fascinating tidbits in here.

If you fast while on full-lotus then the evil energy actually gets turns into positive energy. For example if someone is really mad at you that is actually LIVER energy. So you do not need food because now your liver is full of anger from someone else! But you have to convert the anger back into love energy. It has to be reversed and harmonized through the kidneys first and this then becomes the life force sex energy. As Freud taught -- anger is REPRESSED SEX ENERGY -- so the full-lotus converts the anger back to sex energy. Then you get the internal climax from the other person's anger! Then that opens up the heart energy and after that the pineal gland and the laser-love energy shoots back into the person who was angry, turning them into lovers. haha. Full-lotus is the great means to do this but fasting along with the full-lotus is the best. Sometimes you have to fast a few days if it's a really strong attack -- just sitting in full-lotus the whole time.