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Let's see I stated that "you must have a lot of money" to practice at the Siddha Yoga Ashram -- and you now state that was an ASSUMPTION -- no it was a claim/question. Vaj -- an assumption is if I had assumed you and your mom had a lot of money and then maybe ACTING ON THE ASSUMPTION I then tried to get money, etc. Instead I OPENLY stated what I thought to be true and in the reply you OPENLY stated it was not true. No assumptions there VAJ -- sorry to burst your bubble. Now then as for you and your mom not having money yet living at the Siddha Yoga Ashram -- I LOOKED and I SEARCHED -- I COULD FIND NO "Sty pen" or -- how did you spell it? STIPEND is how it's spelled. I'm not demanding that you tell me how you and your mom afforded living in at the Ashram but the only possible way I can see living at the Ashram is BIG BUCKS. -- There's NO Stipends that I can find. Please correct me if I'm wrong -- I'm sure others would like to know about stipends, "work" for room and board -- scholarships, etc. As for "learning postures" and other assumptions -- whatever dude -- learning a posture is not the same as making it your main practice. Chunyi Lin sat in full-lotus for a MONTH without food, water and sleep. Now he says 20 minutes of full-lotus is worth 4 hours of any other practice. Let's do the math. 4 hours x 6 - one day. 6 x 20 minutes = 3 hours. So 3 hours = 1 day. 365 days = 3 hours times 365 divided by 24 -- calculator anyone? Let's just say 9000 divided by 10 is 900 divided by 10 is 90. So 90 days of full-lotus = 1 year of other practice. Now then 3 years of "mind yoga" equals 9 months of full-lotus. 9 months of full-lotus = 3 years of mind yoga. Is it true or is there some nonlinear feedback in full-lotus not considered? I don't know but all I can say is YOUR A PERV. haha. Vaj=Perv. You're a parasite -- constantly posting on here about your mind yoga Buddhism -- ON A TAOIST WEBSITE -- have you no shame? No assumptions here! That's OBVIOUS. Yeah you SHOULD LEAVE this website -- because you go on and on about mind yoga Buddhism and this is a Taoist website. That's just by definition -- by the content of your posts. Besides the fact that your a perv. haha. Good luck though I feel sorry for you raised in an ashram and then you have a "rebound relationship" to Tibetan mind yoga and then you wander around having internet fights with your girlfriend while desperately seeking male attention on the internet. Not pretty Vaj. Sorry that you can't go into full-lotus but if I were you I'd continue the beer-drinking girlfriend cultivation and then maybe go to school or something. Don't you have a job? Or does your girlfriend pay the bills? haha. I just quit a 10 year part-time job, I have a masters degree, I moved in with my parents, I'm looking to reapply to school with federal loans. No secrets there. Being celibate in full-lotus is not exactly some sex obsession -- and I can read your chakra energy. You're a Number 2 leaning towards Number 3 but falling back to Number 2 as per Gurdjieff's system (which is from Mahayana). But then you can't sit in full-lotus so I'm not holding you accountable. You're an average dude Vaj -- good luck with all your low blows making stuff up about other people and then claiming to answer what you just made up about them! That's called a "strawman's argument" and is cheesy. And everytime you post promoting mind yoga Buddhism then it's all about YOU and not about this website which is TAOISM. Jiggy? No you don't but then we're all here with our personal hangups -- we're all here to help each other -- so this thread is all about YOU Vaj -- I'm here to help you because you need it! haha. Certainly I appreciate you sharing about Siddha Yoga but again -- what stipend? Now you're claiming that you don't NEED to make the monthly contribution.... how so? I don't see it being voluntary. If you can show ANY evidence that the monthly contribution is voluntary please do so. If you can show ANY evidence that there's stipends to stay at the Siddha Yoga ashram please do so. Now you claim that gurumayi or whatever wants to lower the price but SDYA won't let her? C'mon she's supposed to levitate cars! And I guess you don't know about that? What a JOKE! Yes it's a BIG JOKE!!! That's ALL it is -- so please continue with your JOKE. It's funny.

Out of 100 million galaxies German is definitely the Lingua Franca of.... next to nothing! haha. http://www.flixxy.com/hubble-ultra-deep-field-3d.htm And No I don't know the "16 conditioning lessons" and don't think I want to -- but paying $50 to find out sure is tempting!

Vaj this is the 3rd time you've tried to claim you know what I'm thinking or what I'm "assuming" -- You are a kid in tantra my friend. You and I both know that. Tantric mastery is NOT dependant on a yoga "Asana". Good luck or LICK..... smile.gif What the hell! "you and I both know that" I don't know that !! -- this is just a silly technique to get attention on your part Vaj -- already you stated that I made an "assumption" about you and when you pointed out I was wrong about my "assumption" (without stating what my "assumption" was) my response was "haha" And therefore I had bad intentions and was evil, etc. Seriously Vaj -- what was my "assumption" that I was wrong about? It's really sad that you go on and on about Buddhist this and that yet need to make stuff up!! Again to state I know something -- without having any basis to say so To state I make an assumption -- without proving any details Then to claim you correct what I "know" and what I "assume" And then the strange male sex allusions.... Meanwhile you then state you should have not responded to me (and others) yet you go ahead and RESPOND AGAIN with a strange sexual innuendo LICK! Sorry about your girlfriend wanting you to change your avatar - but then she is on your avatar and she did call you a butt-head. So maybe you SHOULD change your avatar -- maybe you ARE a butt-head! haha. Meanwhile this whole website is about YOU and YOUR BUDDHIST VIEWS -- this is a Taoist website if you haven't noticed. Vaj this thread is about how Theravada mind yoga is against full-lotus and fasting which ARE practiced in Taoist qigong. So the whole mind yoga Buddha scene only emphasizes my original point.... thanks. And please don't respond and we can just ignore each other.... And sending me a PM just makes it worse -- I don't read PMs from pervs and believe me I've had several PMs from pervs from this website before. I know better than to open a PM from a perv.

straight male ways. Notice how Vaj emphasizes "straight male ways" for no particular reason and then recently claims that I know I know I don't understand tantra while then stating LICK Seriously Vaj is some sort of perv. Avoid Vaj.

The dwarf always saves people. haha. Do you know what the 16 conditioning exercises are?

nac -- the forum you gave me shows only one registered user and that's YOU and only very recently! haha. So much for "modern" Bon -- maybe they know better than cruising the internet! haha. Seriously the the Buddhist website on older Bon is fascinating -- the Iranian connection, etc. You should consider that Greek philosophy -- Pythagorean -- was also Persian http://peterkingsley.com has more details -- his "In the Dark Places of Wisdom" is an amazing expose undermining Platonic Hegemony in the West....

nac -- what do you mean by "old Tibet" -- surely there was a feudal society where the vast majority had to pay taxes as food for the monasteries along with labor to upkeep the monasteries. It was the highest privilege to have one male from the family become a monk but I think this was limited to the upper middle class families who owned land, versus the vast land-renters.... O.K. for contrast you did not mention Nepal which is a mix of Tibetan culture and indigenous (like Bon) but also Hindu culture. The Tibetan Buddhists are often seen as intruders against the indigenous while the Hindu Brahmins are also considered intruders. Like for the lower classes in India many try to achieve "sanskritization" or Brahminization -- by becoming vegetarian and therefore jumping castes -- and then having a family member become a monk in the Tibetan monastery! I, too, am unfamiliar with the details - I've just read some anthropology on it, for example the monks are not supposed to drink beer yet beer is relied on for socializing in Nepal. So the monk is under great pressure to drink beer. If the monk drinks beer this is not considered immoral but is considered Polluting on a bodily energy sense. Diet is probably a similar situation since as in Tibet only the real yogis go vegetarian while everyone else eats meat if they can, since it's so cold. Living in Minnesota -- I can definitely understand this!! Anyway the tantra in Nepal is where the Goddess is represented by a pre-menstrual female and when she menstruates she is no longer the Goddess -- this is actually due to very esoteric tantric energy exchange. Essentially the life force is very strong for the pre-menstruating female also she fills up quickly with male electromagnetic chi energy, thereby triggering the mutual climax faster, the release of FEMALE life-force energy by the Goddess, through her climax. Anyway.... Sumeria practiced this I'm sure with their sacred temple sex -- which lended itself towards polyandry I'm sure. Professor David Gordon White's recent "Kiss of the Yogini" is all about this history of tantra in Asia as city-state politics. Pretty interesting.

Thanks for looking -- I agree with what you say. I've had several males masturbate to "Taoist Yoga" -- nasty! haha.

Stuart Alve Olson's book does not focus on full-lotus -- the practitioner, again, relied on living in the mountains.... Now then Iskote -- I looked in the googlebooks preview for Taoist Yoga -- it's not in there.... But I do remember that "Taoist Yoga" states if you practice this ability to give females' orgasms you can not achieve longevity or immortality -- you can MAINTAIN YOUR HEALTH but that's it....

where in their body do females suck it up? And then shoot it back out to you...which you re-absorb where in your body? I'm just curious what points form this dual-cultivation circuit? Vortex -- WITCH asked me this same question already but I'll be happy to repeat myself for you.... The electromagnetic energy is based on complementary opposites -- so it's naturally attracted to and sucked up by the female electrochemical energy. Now this jing -- female electrochemical energy -- can be the Lower Body of the qigong practitioner or it can be other males or females -- but again FEMALES naturally have internal climaxes -- females naturally have MORE jing female electrochemical energy (because they don't have external ejaculation). When the male has external ejaculation the sympathetic STRESS kidney energy is activated against the parasympathetic vagus nerve internal female climax. So when the female sucks up the male chi energy that actually HEALS the male practitioner because energy blockages are EXTRA energy in the body that need to be harmonized. The full-lotus harmonizes the energy but you need a catalyst -- you need to activate the yin-yang energy exchange. If you are relying simply on shooting your male chi energy into the lower half of your body -- where the female electrochemical jing energy is stored -- there is not nearly the same attraction as when a female sucks up your male chi energy. So now that your male chi energy is being sucked into the female that means any sickness in your body (imbalanced female electrochemical jing energy) gets sucked up and transduced -- harmonized -- by the full-lotus VORTEX and so you can transduce that EXTRA sick subconscious female jing energy now into male chi energy and then this male chi energy shoots into the female -- meanwhile you SUCK UP the female's extra female jing energy into your body -- it was EXTRA for her -- which is why she was so able to suck you your MALE chi energy. Now then if you have previously planned on shooting your extra male chi energy into the lower half of your body then what's wrong with your extra chi energy going into the female's lower body. In fact the OM Mandi Padme Hum (the chant that is the foundation for Tibetan yoga) means "jewel of the lotus" which actually means the Yoni or sex organ -- lotus means the vagina -- the vulva of the female! And indeed that is WHAT BEST SUCKS UP THE MALE CHI ENERGY. But as the female sucks up more male chi energy and as the male sucks up more female chi energy then a "free energy cycle" is created which both bypasses "generative fluid" male ejaculation and food (physical material energy). Normally food in the male turns into generative fluid for ejaculation. So as the cycle continues then the male chi energy is sucked into the female at higher and higher chakras -- leading to the opening of the HEART LOVE CHAKRA after about 10 mutual climaxes. Keep in mind that the female internal climax is different than the male ejaculation. For the female (and the male internal alchemical climax) the first two climaxes are build-ups to what would be the normal male external climax. So 10 mutual climaxes are actually 30 internal climaxes -- but each mutual climax is a deeper intensity. Also these build ups are accumulative -- they don't need to be done in one session -- so the mind-body remembers the previous psychic mutual climax experience and builds on it. Then after the heart chakra opens up the male chi energy goes directly to the female heart chakra and there is a true erotic love connection instantly with energy transmission through eye contact. After that the heart chakra has to be transcended, as I've mentioned, which means including the lungs as sadness for slower breath, and going past BREAKING THE HEART -- so obviously this can not be done in just mundane settings since heart-break is a very powerful emotion that stops all other mundane worldly physical activity. This is what was described before how "true tantra" relies on already transcending physical sex, etc. Yet the physical transmission with a physical female still occurs. At an even deeper level then the male can be fed by the Dakinis -- the spirit goddesses.... this is AFTER THE THIRD EYE IS FULLY OPEN. Thanks for asking. it's referenced in Taoist Yoga around Chapter 10 or so that after the 7 day fast you will have the ability to give females ORGASMS through your external 3rd Eye energy. Iskote -- I'm serious -- Taoist Yoga says DO NOT DO THIS -- I'm not saying Taoist Yoga teaches sexual practices! I'm saying Taoist Yoga admits you will have this ability but DON'T DO IT!! So if you do not want to look for this passage that's alright -- it won't jump out at you -- it's stated in somewhat symbolic language but others have found it. It's very clear if you really study the text....

For there to be a "me" and a "you" -- of course it's out side of the "one"! haha. Anything communicated on this website it "outside of the one" -- writing, reading -- all "outside of the one!"

Iskote Check out this vid. I'm watching it for the FIRST time and I'm not done yet but then I opened this thread at the same time -- and both deal with sex and yoga.... Now then you ask me "can you give me a quote?" NO because I gave my copies away of Taoist Yoga -- even though the people receiving this book (and MANY other books on spirituality) do not take the books and teachings seriously -- they're TOO ATTACHED to sex, drugs, work, etc. Still I give the books to prove that I'm not attached to the books yet I also take the books seriously!? Think I read too much? Here's a book for you -- YOU try reading! haha. Most do not have the mind focus because they're too caught up in their girlfriends, drugs, work, etc. So I'm not sure the exact quote but it's referenced in Taoist Yoga around Chapter 10 or so that after the 7 day fast you will have the ability to give females ORGASMS through your external 3rd Eye energy. Can you find this reference? It's a bit opaque -- but quite clear if you study the book. So I discovered accidentally that indeed I had this ability. I was sitting in full-lotus in public -- WHY? -- because females were hitting on me so strongly to suck off my stored up jing (chi) that I had to take preemptive defense action. But then my "preemptive defensive action" in full-lotus in public became offensive in that a young female stood directly in front of my full-lotus 3rd Eye gaze -- with her backside to me -- a young, high school Asian female. She SHRIEKED as we had a mutual climax. Then she was giddy with delight! I had to accept the reality of what happened. Then I tested it out and posted my results for open criticism, calling it the "O at a D" Orgasm at a Distance over at http://breakingopenthehead.com That was about 3 years ago -- since then I've initiated HUNDREDS of females in the Twin Cities, Minnesota and all I can say is that the "yoga" scene in the Twin Cities is THRIVING!!! Females want more of this orgasmic energy!! Now then -- "Taoist Yoga" states that even though you have this ability to give females orgasms DON'T DO IT because females will just WANT IT MORE!! Well -- guess what? The sex mutual climax is HEALING ENERGY -- females want it more because MOST MEN suck off females! Sure very forward lusty slut females suck off males instead of males sucking off females! More power to the lusty liberated sluts! Again if males can't control the lower half of their body then they deserve to be sucked off instead of using violence (anger) to scare the females into submission and then suck off the females. A lot of males are Number 2 males (based on Gurdjieff's Mahayana consciousness system) this means their "positive vitality" -- the essence of their personality -- their character -- their subconscious ELECTROMAGNETIC essence chi is stuck in their lower chakras. Taoist healers KNOW HOW TO TRANSMIT ELECTROMAGNETIC MALE CHI ENERGY OUT OF THEIR THIRD EYES -- this is the healing love energy. The book "Taoist Yoga" is based on males keeping females in a submissive controlled state so the females do not suck off the males - (therefore the males do not have to fear losing their chi energy). This is misogynist control as alchemy -- I'm not going to share seeing this misogynist control in action by high level powerful Taoist alchemists. Let's just say that up until the 1980s females were not supposed to talk in public when with males! It's a long history of patriarchy and females have been secretly fighting it all the way. For example it's well-documented now that over 10% of children are born from not the husband -- the female marries into money and then the female secretly sleeps with a "stud" (lower class, physically more robust male). So then the female raises a more physically robust child in a more wealthy mentally robust male household.... Controlled evolution -- secret subversion! And when the economy tanks then the female just becomes a "slut" -- takes on more males to get more money!! And if the female is totally economically independent because she has to be, then all the more reason to be MORE of a slut -- the more the female can suck off the males the better her chance of being dominant in the workplace!! So when "Taoist Yoga" states you can give females orgasms but don't do it because the females will just become sluts, wanting more and more orgasms, - I say MORE POWER TO THE FEMALES because as tantra teaches it's a free energy exchange MUTUAL PSYCHIC CLIMAX --- what I call the "O at a D" orgasm at a distance. Mantak Chia teaches this as well.... Yes this is the real secret -- as "Taoist Yoga" states, alchemical powers are based on the most shameful thing in society -- sex energy. And so there you have it. But for real tantra the male-female sex exchange quickly becomes so intense it can only be completed in seclusion -- in the secret of the night -- in the privacy of marriage, etc. Because you have to transcend love, transcend the BROKEN HEART of love (from orgasms the heart chakra opens up -- after about 10 - -then REAL LOVE kicks in!!) - nothing is more painful -- and then the positive vitality as chi is stilled by the compassion of the sadness lung energy. Eros of the "over-excitement" of the heart chi energy combines with the slow lung samadhi energy to create "compassion" again this is detailed in "Taoist Yoga" (it's the MORE ADVANCED PRACTICE -- the lung sadness energy as slow breath combining with the heart over-excitement energy) -- CAN YOU GIVE ME A QUOTE??? And so real Nirvikalpa Samadhi -- real "Emptiness" of Taoism is beyond the "over-excitement" or love of the heart -- it's "pure awareness" or the "internal nature" of Taoist Yoga. The whole body is FILLED WITH CHI and then transcended into SHEN outside of the body -- post-death to pure consciousness or "internal nature." Notice how "internal nature" is not focused on in "Taoist Yoga" yet the student asked about it in the beginning and the end of the book. The fact is that the "immortal" body of Taoist Yoga is still SHEN -- it's astral light that transforms the physical body -- it's the "positive spirit" or yin pre-natal vitality jing.... But when the body is finally vaporized into pure light shen -- where does that light go in the infinite "universe"? That's right it returns to "eternal nature" what I call the "female formless awareness" -- the pure consciousness that is the beginning and start of Buddhist and Hindu Vedic meditation -- the Emptiness or "spirit of the Valley" of the Tao Te Ching... The Cosmic Mother will never be unveiled as it's stated in another source (forgot the origins -- Egyptian -- Greek?) As Master Nan, Huai-chin states there are DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EMPTY AWARENESS.... Taoist Yoga takes you to the "final" level -- the Supreme Complete Enlightenment of Mahayana Buddhism -- past the "rainbow body" -- yet Advaita Vedanta is the "direct path" of left-brain logical inference (the left-brain vagus nerve going to the right side of the heart). Advaita Vedanta as mind yoga relies on complete separation from females. So there's 3 different angles there's the tantric sex yoga -- still found in the "diamond body" path of Tibetan Yoga (but also the underclass Tantra tradition of India and the Bushmen tradition of Africa). There's the full-lotus alchemy of Taoist Yoga and Kriya Yoga in India (both relying on the microcosmic orbit or small universe) And there's the mind yoga of Theravada Buddhism and Brahmin Vedic meditation.... and Dgzochen in Tibet, etc. -- relying on no contact with females -- even visual contact! Each is a different degree of female-male sex relations --- which is right or wrong? We'll only the pure consciousness is right or wrong -- beyond the two! haha.

Buddhism IS NOT FASTING! haha. I got this "no fasting" rap from the Theravada monastery... just goes to show that REAL Buddhas have to escape the monasteries for real forest meditation. Thanks -- do you have any sources for your fasting scheme in Theravada Buddhism? I've found scant reference to fasting as the final 7 day "achievement of cessation" but nothing beyond that. http://springforestqigong.com Chunyi Lin went a MONTH on only full-lotus -- no sleep, no food, no water!!

Well Chunyi Lin teaches fasting in the Level III the same level he teaches full-lotus. Fasting quickly cleans out the energy channels so that your flexibility and "spiritual" energy kicks for full-lotus fun. Fasting though requires special circumstances cince you have to really focus on meditation and of course going without food is total taboo in our culture, as well as doing long-term meditation (it's LAZY! haha). So yeah.... getting the chi doing to the lower body happens from the jing going up and the chi going out or down -- the microcosmic orbit happens naturally. Check this out -- small universe Kriya Yoga style: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...&plindex=3#

Kriya yoga of the yogananda tradition is based on the small universe (just like Taoist Yoga) AND the full-lotus as well. Check out the 16 mn of this vid: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...&plindex=3#

Vaj -- it's a good point but it's due to LACK OF LAND -- so the multiple men are usually TWO BROTHERS. Also in traditional tantra in South India -- the brother or uncle has more power in his sister's family then the husband of the sister -- so this is an example of the kin network as "matrimonial alliances" -- while the female may have MORE than one male to receive sexual energy from (physical or emotional) the reason is for the larger state-stratified society. The original case of this is the Bushmen culture where the females "own" the land and the men wanting to marry have to MOVE INTO THE FEMALE'S PARENTS HOUSE -- live for 3 years providing food for the female's parents and then, ONLY then, physically sleep with the female in marriage. So it's all relative about land ownership and sexual liberation, and spiritual healing, etc.

Yeah that "traditionalstudies.org" looks cool and "only" 49.99 for the c.d.s! haha. Still you can find the SFQ for FREE as downloads online if you just look for it -- I'm not sure how to do these downloads plus I already worked through the information. Chunyi Lin teaches that full-lotus is the BEST -- it's the simplest, the most direct -- no teaching needed! Of course most can't sit in full-lotus for as long as they want -- that's why Chunyi Lin does "chi transmissions" in person, on the phone and even through his c.d.s, etc. The small universe is the FOUNDATION for the practice -- and this is the focus of such "traditional" texts as "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk -- there's a google book preview and other excerpts online but I highly recommend that text. The Level 1 sitting meditation small universe c.d. from http://springforestqigong.com is only $11 or so and that's the BEST small universe practice guide I've come across. You can also read Mantak Chia's first book "Awaken the Healing Energy of the Tao" to get a modern training experience report for the microcosmic orbit aka the small universe. THEN you can sit in full-lotus as long as you want once the macrocosmic orbit is open -- HAVE FUN!!!

Bhante Vimalarasi -- is another "high-profile" Theravada Monk who has criticized Vipassana while also teaching mind yoga awareness: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=6142842850607581601# I'm still for the full-lotus practice. haha.

SereneBlue -- this looks sweet! thanks: http://www.hamsa-yoga.org/wings-to-freedom

nac -- you're correct as per this academic anthology on "Women of Tibet" that the females had greater freedom than other Asian countries, although in the 7th C there was still "forced childhood production" and "arranged matrimonial alliances" -- So I think the "free love" applies as the whore while the elite female power marriage applies as the Madonna (along with Goddess Worship).... http://books.google.com/books?id=FELZ48HwL...=gbs_navlinks_s There's other Buddhist scholars writing on misogyny in Tibetan Buddhism but compared to the current RASH of Tibetan Prostitutes serving the Chinese -- and homeless Tibetans, etc. it seems unfair to focus on former Tibetan Buddhist control, now reduced to more or less "spiritual tourism" show.... I think June Campbell's focus, like Sherry Ortner, is much broader than just a comparison of Asian sexism -- if you read Campbell's revised 2002 edition, she's comparing Tibetan Buddhism with Christianity and everything else. Ortner is also considering "stratified state-societies" -- as a whole... so Asia and the West.... And, again, in the context of "progress" sexism is a mixed bag with Ortner arguing that MEN HAVE BEEN DOMESTICATED -- in service of an elite female caste. Other feminists have made similar arguments.... Nefertiti is a classic example -- sort of like saying the wife of Dick Cheney is in control.

Well jing as in YIN electrochemical energy does not have to be from "females" per se but in terms of tantra it's preferable since females ALREADY have the internal climax that males in alchemy have to develop -- the parasympathetic vagus nerve climax. So I think it's generally accepted that "jing" is yin female energy and "chi" is yang male energy but shen as "positive vitality" (chi) is also "negative spirit" female and therefore yin yet when shen increases then it turns to "positive spirit" yang which is also physical "pre-natal vitality" as jing yin. This is why alchemy both starts and ends with jing and this process is detailed in "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" -- and Verdesi did train with one of the students of the Taoist Yoga author. Once the macrocosmic orbit is opened then, as Mantak Chia details, there is a build-up of energy through more and more internal climaxes (orgasms without ejaculation) -- but that sex energy is again the female electrochemical jing energy. Mantak Chia details this tantric exchange with the intake of female energy and the transmission of male chi energy out of the healer. It doesn't have to be males that transmit male chi yang energy -- but that is usually the case. And the Bushmen explicitly call it "Collecting the N/um of young maidens" -- N/um being the jing or kundalini energy. Of course I speak from practice so if you want to disagree with me -- that has no effect on what I know to be true from practice. The sex energy factor is balanced with food and how long it's built up. As Taoist Yoga states -- the more you increase the chi and store it in the lower tan tien the greater the risk the chi will be deconverted back into generative fluid via the jing or generative force. I think you understand this -- but not in terms of tantra. So Taoist Yoga states that if there is any kind of interaction with female (or perv male) then before sleep that jing energy MUST be converted back into chi or else you'll have nocturnal emission. With tantra instead of avoiding females there is a conscious exchange -- because again females can have unlimited climaxes UNLIKE THE TYPICAL MALE -- but a real full-lotus master with the macrocosmic orbit open can also have unlimited mutual climaxes with females. So the female receives the chi while the male takes in the female jing and with each climax there is an increase in the free energy exchange -- meaning the two bodies are both converted more and more to chi. This is intense as the heart chakra opens up and must be transcended. That's why tantra is considered the fastest path -- but the partner needs to be chosen with care. Also the food diet has to be decreased to minimum, including fasting -- the 7 day fast is about chapter 10 in Taoist Yoga. I already got to that. After that the practice becomes very complicated and needs the personal guidance of a teacher. Usually the male still needs to go off for special training sessions. So Verdesi, I'm sure, got past chapter 10 of Taoist Yoga -- but to what extent is hard to say. As Gurdjieff says to get from a Number 4 person (permanently opened 3rd eye or the macrocosmic orbit) to a Number 5 person (FULLY OPENED THIRD EYE) is very very difficult. Gurdjieff didn't achieve it. Master Chunyi Lin did achieve it fairly early on -- I think with Master Yao at Shaolin. Master Chunyi Lin also trained with Yan Xin's MASTERS.

That's about my response to your assumptions. WOW!! I guess your not that sweet of a person and don't really have that good of intentions? Oh well. First impressions can be lies. This is hilarious -- "haha" is something I type when I'm laughing. Yeah it's my EVIL laugh. haha. And it obviously was not about "your response to MY assumption." haha. Still first you claim I was reading Siddhayoga forums and then built on that claim stating that my continued reading of the forums was causing me more trouble -- amazing FANTASY world and now you claim I've made some "assumptions" which is EXACTLY what you did but in your case if give no detail about my "assumptions." Please Vaj -- what were my "assumptions" -- ?? HAHAHA evil laugh. DAMN you're high maintenance but then you do make an ASS out of you and....

O.K. -- read page 50 of Professor Sherry Ortner's "Virgin and the State" chapter -- not only is the Madonna/Whore dichtomy due to the rise of the "stratified state-relations" but also is due to the DOMESTICATION OF MEN in the state structure.... http://books.google.com/books?id=XoeDtwMT8...%22&f=false Here's a feminist book on Confucianism incorporating Sherry Ortner's arguments -- essentially that women's rights are within a larger class structure based on kin networks: http://books.google.com/books?id=yTvLQbaH8...;q=&f=false