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Yeah there's always loud metallic noises when I sit in full-lotus for a while -- the energy builds up and across the room some metallic frame will pop! or crack! and will do so right away the energy in my body shot out removing a blockage -- the imagery is the subconscious release of blockage or some healing message of higher energy.... When Chunyi Lin gets made the light bulbs in his house explode....

Yeah I would definitely look for cheaper rent by sharing a house if possible -- usually you just go to the "hippie" part of your town (most towns have a natural foods store or some alternative bookstore, etc.). Then look for room ads... Seriously though you are far on the path already since you have proven yourself independent and practical -- paying your own way, competent at work, etc. Time flies when you're focused on practical endeavors and that in itself is a type of meditation. Karma yoga is considered very important for practice! Right now I'm broke, at my parents, planning to return to school but I already have a masters degree! All the meditation has made it hard for me to work since I have to have a very special diet or else I need lots of antiseptic (alcohol or garlic). haha. People get pissed if you fast or refuse sugar, meat, etc. That's another benefit of living in a house full of vegetarians, etc. So I'm the opposite extreme of you -- I don't want to return to school because I'm over-educated already!! I've spent the last 10 years reading a book a day BECAUSE of my meditation training -- my brain got real hungry to explain the experiences I had, in terms of western science. I too would like a better place to practice but monasteries are either focused on scholarly mind yoga which is not as strict in practice as what I've already done on my own. And as people have noted you need to have special job skills to work for room and board, otherwise you need to pay about $300 month to meditate! So that means having a lot of money saved up. If you move to another country -- well Thailand's monasteries are already over-run with thugs who couldn't find work, Sri Lanka is over-run with civil war with some Buddhist monks carrying guns, etc. India is full of starving people.... Finding a teacher who can do the shakti energy transmission is really rare as well -- http://springforestqigong.com Chunyi Lin's is the real deal as far as energy healing transmission. You can always get phone healings if you can't attend his class in person. Then you can build off the energy transmission by continuing the practice on your own.

Since you're female I think you get a free pass past the first 4 jhanas.

A past history of online girlfriend meltdowns!? haha. Well the cyber-zen-orgy does need some more female input here.... sorry but your girlfriend started this yet she's long gone now.... Looks like you've patched things up but next time there's a fight let her know she's welcome back! haha.

Well if you take the SFQ then the qigong masters initiate you by filling up your dan tien. Still the dan tien fills up faster when your energy channels are not as open. Chunyi Lin talks about this -- how the feeling of fullness changes at each stage which is also why Yan Xin teaches not to rely on your feelings. Sometimes you feel nothing because you are at a higher energy level and therefore it takes longer for your channels to fill up -- whereas at the beginning you might feel a lot only because there is low tolerance. So the intention to heal is really all that is needed along with the basic energy exchange exercises. Healing others is taught in Level II but it can be done in level one as well. Still to open up the third eye you need to build up your internal energy which is a bit different than healing -- I think this is what you are referring to -- "packing the chi" etc. Because when we heal others it's an open system of chi flowing -- there's the jing flowing in and the chi flowing out -- and so there's no real building up of internal chi for longevity and immortality, etc. When we do the healing it's already on the basis of an open free energy system with the truth of reality being the pure consciousness or emptiness. Chunyi Lin teaches that the most simple is the most powerful and the simplest is to "use your consciousness to go into the emptiness." For me I wondered what is the difference between consciousness and emptiness but this is because the practice is a PROCESS -- it's exactly the same reason people get hung up about advaita vs. buddhism or intention, etc. The process is asymmetrical -- it's an eternal process that is impersonal. As Chunyi Lin states, "Just enjoy the energy" and as Jim Nance states, "the energy knows what to do." So in fact just by the nature of the practice the energy guides itself. It's true that certain techniques are warned against -- like pointing the sword fingers at the heart since both are yin energy so it's like short-circuiting a battery. Also pulling the energy blockage directly out the top of someone's head -- I did this and accidentally pulled an old lady's spirit out of her skull and she bawled immediately. I felt this heavy electrical blob leave her skull and even though she couldn't see me she immediately bawled nonstop for at least 15 minutes. But as our "consciousness" is also our intention - the energy level of our intention is also the energy level of the pure awareness or emptiness -- so that any "mistake" just goes back into the emptiness where our consciousness is automatically reversed. That's how karma works -- resonance. So any sickness we take in from others IS the energy that "fills" out dan tien as long as we then send that energy back out as healing energy. The point is to return the energy back into the emptiness -- this is why Chunyi Lin says to visualize the blockages going into smoke and then disappearing. He said at first before he did that there was the problem of getting rid of the sickness he had taken in from others. But again sickness is EXTRA energy that then is transformed through the complementary opposite tai-chi principles of Taoism (be it standing exercise, sitting, small universe, etc.) Life-force energy is FEMALE energy -- Mantak Chia talks about this as well. So that's the secret tantric part of this....

http://www.healyourself.com.au/testimonials.html Vortex I've detailed the secret all the time! haha. Seriously though -- here's SOME of the testimonies for SFQ healing and if you still want to know the secret after watching them -- you can search my previous posts or I'll just repeat myself! haha. Basically Chunyi Lin states that sickness is just EXTRA energy in the body. Since emotion is the first main cause of blockage and emotion is aligned with each organ's ELECTROCHEMICAL energy -- that's the jing energy. So when we heal others we "remove the blockages" by taking in the sickness and then do the small universe practice to reharmonize the energy -- turn that EXTRA sick energy into love-laser healing energy. Then we use thunder palms to put the healing energy back into the client. Full-lotus does this automatically as well....

Here's what http://springforestqigong.com has to say -- Chunyi Lin on Facebook! Hello my dear friends! When working with anxiety it can help to massage the palm of your hand. Take the thumb of your opposite hand and massage the center of your palms for several minutes. This activates and helps to balance the energy in the heart. It is also good for muscle cramps. So go for it! haha.

Then there's the O at a D which kind of undermines the whole girlfriend concept. haha. Revenge -- online -- is so fun. I had a coworker hack my blog! haha. The internet undermines any kind of individual ego in the end -- enjoy the fun! haha. Buddhist? Taoist? Or sex-slave? haha.

Replace it with a butt-head then -- talk is cheap! haha.

Lucky7Strikes -- your doubts and questions indeed run up against the latest "theoretical" propaganda in the monastery meditation scene -- for example consider this recent expose in the Theravada scene: I was made aware of an American who went to Burma as a monk and made the following discovery. Bhante Vimalaramsi has a monastery in Missouri and he just received high recognition by the World Buddhists, etc.: Part 1 Now, about a thousand years after the Buddha died, there was another Brahmin by the name of Buddhagosa, and he had memorized all of the Vedic texts. A Buddhist monk came around, and he started talking about Buddhism, and he became real enthusiastic about Buddhism. Now Buddhagosa was an excellent scholar; he was really a top-notch scholar, very intellectual. He became so impressed with the Buddhist teaching that he took on the robes, and went to one of the Buddhist schools--they had colleges there at that time. But the only thing he really studied was the Pali language, and he became very proficient at that--very good Pali scholar. And he started getting a little bit prideful, and he started thinking, "You know, I bet I know Pali better than my teacher does now." And the teacher read his mind. And the teacher said, "Now you have to pay for that. Now, in Sri Lanka, they have been teaching and writing commentaries for five hundred years, but they're writing the commentaries in Sri Lankan; they're not writing them in Pali. I want you to go to Sri Lanka and change all those commentaries back into Pali." Now he was a scholar and an intellectual and didn't know a thing about meditation. The first book he wrote when he went to Sri Lanka was the Visuddhimagga. The Visuddhimagga is called "The Path of Purification," and he wrote that the Buddha had forty different meditations. And this book was done in such a scholarly way. He divided it up into three different sections. First, is morality, and that's reasonably good. Then he wrote about concentration. Now here's a monk that doesn't know anything about meditation. And he starts thinking, "You know, I don't know what the Buddha taught about meditation, but I know what is says in the Vedas, and all meditation is the same, right? So he wrote about meditation by using the Vedas and mixing in Buddhist words. So it sounds right. He was very skillful at taking parts of a sutta that was just one line that made it sound perfect. Then he wrote another section on insight. And he divided the two kinds of meditation; he said, "This is one kind of meditation, this is another kind of meditation." Now at the time, in Sri Lanka, the monks had been kind of lazy. They weren't very good at meditation; they didn't do it very much, and they didn't keep up their scholarship. Now he comes along with this book that's very scholarly, and they started reading that, and they started saying, "This is right! This is it!" And they went off, and they started practicing on their own. And because of the scholarship that he had and put in that book, they started picking up their scholarship and after ten or fifteen years, they started going, "Wait a minute. This isn't right. It says this in the text, and is says this here, and this is definitely not the same thing." But this book had become so popular that they couldn't stop it. About this time, there was a real corrupt time in Burma for the monks. They were--monks were doing all kinds of things that they shouldn't have been doing. So they wanted to purify the sangha, so they had two boatloads of monks go to Sri Lanka and disrobe and re-ordain. Now they happened to run across this Visuddhimagga, and they got real excited because their sangha had been real corrupt--they hadn't been keeping their practices pure, they hadn't been doing much in the way of meditation--so they run across this, and now they're all excited about this Visuddhimagga, and they brought it back to Burma. And they've kept it in Burma for a thousand years--1500 years, something like that--I don't know how long it was. A real long time. And they've used that book as the basis of all meditation in Burma. But when you start looking at that as compared with the original suttas, you start seeing that they're not quite the same. They're not teaching quite the same thing that the Buddha was teaching. This is why it's real important to go back to the original texts. Now, how did I find out about this? I'm a dumb American. I wanted to find out about meditation, and the first book I read about meditation was a Burmese book on meditation. It was real clear--do it this way. So that's what I picked up, and that's what I stuck with. And I got real interested in the Burmese and all of their forms of meditation. And that's why I went to Burma. I spent almost three years in Burma, and I practiced their form of meditation. And I went to the end of their meditation, and I found out this doesn't lead to the same place that the Buddha was talking about. So I became real disheartened. And about that time, I was invited to go to a real big monastery in Kuala Lumpur. The head monk there had been real old--he was 75 or 76 years old--and he was used to giving two or three talks to three or four hundred people every time--every day. Two or three talks a week--I should say it that way. But every time he gave a talk, there was a lot of people that came, so he invited me to come there and to give dhamma talks and to teach meditation. And as it turned out, there was a Sri Lankan monk that came through, and he said, "Oh, I understand that you teach meditation. How do you teach it?" Now, I had given up on vipassana at that point, because I saw that it didn't lead to what I wanted it to lead to, or what I thought the Buddha was talking about. So I was teaching loving-kindness meditation, and I started telling him how I was teaching it, and he said, "You're teaching it just exactly right. The only thing you're doing is you're using the language of the Visuddhimagga. Throw the Visuddhimagga away. Just use the language of the suttas." As soon as I did that--as soon as I let go of the Visuddhimagga--all of the suttas just--bang!--I could understand them. Now before, I was reading the Visuddhimagga, and I'd read the suttas, and I couldn't understand the suttas, so I put it down and went back to the Visuddhimagga. Now, I put down the Visuddhimagga and picked up the suttas, and it's plain what they're talking about. And I've tried to encourage as many teachers as possible to start using the original texts and let go of all of the ideas in the Visuddhimagga. Now Buddhagosa says that there's forty different meditations that the Buddha taught, and I've found fifty-two. So who am I going to believe? So, I would very much like to encourage you to start practicing the way that the Buddha was talking about rather than people that have studied the Visuddhimagga. And there was a friend that came and listened to one of the dhamma talks, and I was going straight--it's not like we've talked tonight, it's like we talked last night when I was reading straight from the sutta. And they came to me--and they were a teacher--and they came to me after the dhamma talk, and they just kind of shook their head, and they said, "You know, I've been teaching a watered-down Buddhism." When you go back to the suttas themselves, and you start using the suttas, what happens is your teaching becomes much more systematic and easier to understand. And because of the attachment to the Visuddhimagga, that's hard for a lot of people to hear--unfortunately.

Spring Forest Qigong http://springforestqigong.com has lots of testimonies of being healed of cancer, M.S., etc. It's focused on learning to heal others right in the beginning with the philosophy that the more you heal others the more you heal yourself. There's a very brilliant secret to how this works but it's best just to do the exercises which are simple and geared towards anyone practicing. You can find the material free online if you search otherwise you can just get the Level 1 sitting meditation c.d. for $11 or so.... I did some serious healing but the level of healing is based on the level of practice you do, yet the healing starts immediately. Chunyi Lin, the Spring Forest qigong master, works with the Mayo Clinic getting referrals for their cancer patients, etc. He teaches the Mayo Clinic doctors and he's coauthored a qigong chapter for a Mayo Clinic textbook with a Mayo Clinic Dr. Nisha Manek. Since the Mayo Clinic is considered the top hospital in the world this is an amazing endorsement for qigong healing.

Actually I used to practice Yan Xin along with the SFQ practice. Chunyi Lin said that we received not just his energy but the energy of his teachers as well and that includes Yan Xin. I think the chi machines are the same problem as magnets -- just as with the binaural, etc. Here's ANOTHER scalar healing company that has a "spectra" machine which resonates the whole energy spectrum.... http://www.teslartech.com/faq.htm#

Hah! I don't think you can "hear" the scalar wave -- it's actually quite fascinating because the wave is apparently TWO waves that are opposite phase so cancel each other out, thereby not-existing according to the space-based frequency/amplitude system. Instead the scalar wave is electromagnetic but, like sound, longitudinal, not horizontal, yet the scalar wave exists in a 5th dimension beyond space-time, so it's the ETHER or CONSCIOUSNESS. Then when the scalar wave is created out of opposite phase resonance the ether then resonates back through the whole energy spectrum, thereby inherently balancing out any energy needs. The EES machine is "passive" in the sense that a person can sleep without losing any benefits but at the same time the machine interacts and feedbacks from the person's own energy imbalances. Qigong though is based on the INTENTION or focus of the practitioner resonance and therefore the power of qigong can be much greater, provided the energy is "cultivated" to remain inside the body of the practitioner. Otherwise the extra energy is sucked up by others needing it. There's a free energy cycle created through this ether (scalar) foundation of resonance. The "sound" of the ether is the NON-WESTERN tuning which uses the natural 1-4-5 intervals so that sound resonates and transduces back to the ether, thereby creating light and electromagnetic energy. But the original energy is the ultrasound ionizing the electrochemical jing energy. That's why I'm always promoting non-western music since Western music already relies on the spatial symmetrical resonance that cuts off the timeless transduction of complementary opposite phase resonance, just as the scalar resonance works! Bearden points out that scalar waves can cause damage as much as healing -- it depends on the focus of the waves, the intention used, the type of technology, etc. But I think these scalar waves really are the secret UFO antigravity propulsion energy -- I had a close encounter with one of those secret triangle crafts -- NO fuselage, just a humming noise -- perfect equilateral triangle.

Enouch -- check this out -- the doctor who has developed this biophysics regenerative technology was a top student of Jose Silva and he also promotes http://springforestqigong.com in their testimony section: http://www.hhfe.net/newsletters/media_newsletters22.php http://www.eesystem.com/introduction.php

Just try sitting in full-lotus padmasana (legs crossed -- feet up on the thighs). If you can then there you go -- the longer the better and secrets will be revealed. Best to practice the microcosmic orbit aka the small universe -- you can get a great c.d. practice for it Level 1 sitting meditation or small universe c.d. from http://springforestqigong.com The secret meaning of the microcosmic orbit is explained in Mantak Chia's first book, "Awakening the Healing Energy of the Tao" and for more advanced meaning read "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk. Those are the best books in my opinion -- although other greats are Master Nan, Huai-chin's books. David Godman's "Nothing Ever Happens" on Poonjaji Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi. Opening the Dragon Gate on Wang, Liping. Then you can get real laser-love transmissions over the phone from Chunyi Lin and Jim Nance -- http://springforestqigong.com -- they're the real deal.

Hi Enouch I just listened to Princeton Center for Mind and Body Feedback or something -- there's a professor there teaching biofeedback. He has a series of lectures that he wants you to listen to. As I listened I realized he was relying on very much general mind yoga concepts -- that primacy of relaxation -- the primacy of a wider view of attention -- how attention is essential to both creating and guiding the energy for healing. So he was teaching more meditation than biofeedback! And similarly with the new binaural auditory craze -- people end up realizing that their subconscious mind is actually more powerful and more adaptive than relying on the technology. There's been new Mind-Machine Interface experiments that are REAL TELEPATHY -- people can read each others thoughts AFTER electrodes transmit the thoughts into computers and then retransmit them. Not sure the details because in these cases the machines are taking control over humans! So it may be easier but the end result may be to lose control of your brain! I'll look up that Princeton biofeedback center for you but I still recommend the actual meditation since it is based on the philosophy of pure consciousness or emptiness instead of some pre-set frequency resonance.... http://openfocus.com/

I'm gonna listen to this -- "toxic feces from oral bacteria can spread through our bodies...." Yes so true -- but "oral" bacteria is actually from the intestine anaerobic bacteria as well -- they connect via the vagus nerve transduction of anaerobic bacterica. It's the secret of the yoga qigong connection so that the body has to be very clean and pure. I've been using alcohol of late to kill off the toxic feces but before I used garlic and also tea tree oil. Diet is of course the best means to be preventive of the toxic feces but for most modern people there is no conscious awareness since there is no sublimation via the vagus nerve.... Umm that link didn't connect for me but here is Fred Hughe's blogtalk radio interview: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/UndergroundWe...hor-Fred-Hughes

I did some google research -- he teaches the Wild Goose qigong system and has a book and video on the 64 steps.... But then this female qigong master also teaches the Wild Goose form, apparently with easier instruction? http://www.amazon.com/Chi-Kung-Secrets-Fit...65681651#reader But then the FEMALE master is attacked as having made false claims about several of her former teachers... she would just attend some seminars and was not considered a real student, etc. http://www.liangong.com/wenmeiyu.htm Well such is the scene --

Jeremy -- good to hear from you! Thanks for sharing this about Jim Nance. I find this "accident" and "injury" to be very intense and wild -- I think there was some definite deep karmic reworking. Jim Nance is amazing to hold on to Chunyi Lin's guidance! haha. There's some SERIOUS ego-realigning going on. Jim Nance told me that Africa had more powerful masters than Chunyi Lin and I looked at him not sure what to think -- he said that if Chunyi Lin went to Africa Chunyi Lin would have more than he can handle. I disagreed because Chunyi Lin's abilities and level of emptiness is so advanced and I think Jim Nance was maybe projecting his Afrocentric position. Who am I to say! haha. Only that in advanced practice there are lots of dangers that manifest from very subtle levels of energy. The full-lotus is really the main tool. Look at John Chang -- some Westerners show up -- he demonstrates to them -- but the one female in the group gets a chop-stick to the center of her forehead from John Chang's chi!! He therefore goes into hiding so he can get forgiveness from his masters -- such is the rare subtle balance of the spiritual energy. Thanks for the link -- my Burmese friend who has the Theravada monastery sent me this book link today -- again emphasizing that I'm practicing samadhi without the "rupas" (material) insight for nibanna.... http://books.google.com/books?id=C389AAAAI...;q=&f=false The monk of this book is very critical of the "paths of purification" book: http://www.dhammasukha.org/Study/Books/Pdf...20Sutta%202.pdf

Very nice Dolphin Vid -- thanks -- yet what about sonoluminesence from dolphins -- light from sound? And it's used to kill as well.... http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/Dolphin.html

You are moved by love! The heart-mind is the inner visualization through feeling. We have brain neurons in the heart -- the heart is the biggest magnet of the body -- the heart-mind is not activated in left-brain dominance. So when we relax and the emotions open up, when the body is cleansed, then the heart-mind opens up. This is through internal bliss and requires an environment of deep relaxation without being stressed so that a rest from left-brain dominance is allowed. Heart-mind means moral purity -- kindness, forgiveness and love. http://www.heartmath.org/research/research...eart-brain.html http://subjected2subjectivity.blogspot.com...king-heart.html http://www.healingtaousa.com/cgi-bin/artic...mp;articleid=97 In 1994, I was introduced to the practice of the Yan Xin Qigong. Then, on September 9, 1994, I interviewed Dr. Yan Xin for Heart to Heart on Health Issues on Brookline Cable Access Television. Dr. Yan Xin now comes to America to teach the secrets of this advanced ancient form of Qigong. He has modernized it to fulfill our current needs. In China, he has conducted many scientific experiments. Emitting external Qi, Dr. Yan Xin has caused measurable changes in the properties of several types of living -- and non-living -- materials. Immediately, I was impressed by the power of his energy field. During his interview by Lester Strong of Channel 7, he sat at a table in the center of a room. Dr. Yan Xin was able to focus a wave of warm, vibrating energy all the way across the room directly to me. I suddenly felt this invigorating power surge through my body as though I had plugged myself in to a powerful source of light. I felt like a floor lamp that had been plugged into a wall outlet. I was 'awakened', revived, and excited. That night, I attended his weekend workshop in Cambridge. Healed and stronger on every level, not just the physical, I acknowledge that this is all anecdotal evidence, but I know that it is proof for me; as it also is for all those who daily enjoy the power of learning as they actively participate in their own healing, and become students and teachers of The Way. So it is that I invite, encourage, and implore you all to continue to raise your own level of consciousness, while thinking creatively, and researching diligently so that we may better quantify these experiences. The human energy field, the power of the mind, and consciousness are the new frontiers that we must now focus on. We must research and develop better systems of medical diagnosis and treatment. We must continue our quest for the expansion, exploration, and experience of the human potential. And finally, we must become more virtuous, peaceful, and practice productive living so that we may reach full recognition of our universal interconnectedness -- our super-luminal connectedness. -- Gloria Alvino, 1-10-96, [email protected] R.Ph., B.S. in Pharmacy, M.S., Health & Human Sciences

There's been mention of the West practicing the "false" water wheel or microcosmic orbit -- that the "real" water wheel is when the mind is in emptiness instead of dependent on visualization, imagination, etc. YES this is true but Chunyi Lin states that when the microcosmic orbit is achieved then it moves on its own! The link was given to Wang, Liping's student who indicated the same -- his MCO moved, circulated on its own rapidly, even in sleep. Chunyi Lin then states that when in full-lotus padmasana the microcosmic will circulate automatically -- this is also because of the MACRO-cosmic orbit -- when the 3rd eye opens up then there is a larger orbit based on transmitted chi and shen for 3rd eye healing while taking in, sucking up jing or electrochemical energy from the full-lotus. The book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans by Charles Luk is solely focused on the small universe as the means to turn to total body into shen light for immortality and then the final return to "eternal nature" or the empty awareness of Buddhism.... again where there's no visualization! So the source of the chi and shen is the "empty awareness" that is formless and can not be visualized. The west is fixated on visualization for thinking and models, etc. Spirit or shen also relies on visualization but ultimately the Tao can not be visualized -- the Emptiness -- and so the micrcocosmic orbit rotates on its own without visualization once it is successfully opened for the macrocosmic orbit. Does visualization help? Yes immensely yet it is limited as well. Chunyi Lin's "small universe" c.d. and Level 1 sitting meditation 1/2 hour small universe are excellent practice tools for the microcosmic orbit. http://springforestqigong.com

The DMT trips can be done a variety of ways -- ayahuasca analog is actually stronger than traditional ayahuasca which is why the analog is rarely used in the Amazon.... when combined with full-lotus the ayahuasca is an amazing kundalini opening into the rainbow body astral state, post-death -- DMT hyperspace vortex. It takes about 5 hours for the ayahuasca trip to finish and that's after the 24 hour fast plus the vomit purge during the trip. The orgasmic release via the full-lotus is extremely deep and the light is very strong. Yes it's an amazing tool but relies on feeding off the body's stored up kundalini energy -- so afterwards you are cleansed, had a wild wild powerful vision, but are now SPENT. haha. Qigong alchemy in contrast is a "free energy" system creating electromagnetic energy. Plant energy is electrochemical with the DMT switching to the biophoton qigong shen energy, SKIPPING the build-up of electromagnetic chi energy. Qigong, in contrast, has a free exchange of taking in electrochemical jing energy from outside the body and then transmitting out electromagnetic chi energy. So while ayahuasca shamans can use third eye shen energy to see inside bodies -- see energy blockages as spiritual possession and can give ayahuasca to heal others -- the ayahuasca healer does not usually transmit energy on their own. When ayahuasca is combined with the alchemical yoga training (a male only vision quest in the jungle on a strict no salt, high-tryptophan diet) -- then the ability to transmit energy can be developed. The Ande shamans can transmit energy and also use ayahausca from the Amazon, but rely on the ayahuasca less, while using more of the yoga training through music, diet, fasting, sex energy, etc.

Ramana Maharshi said the same thing -- that after achieiving Nirvikalpa Samadhi permanently -- after physically killing yourself and transcending death -- well no new karma accumulates so the results vary as per the previous karma of the person, now still being played out like a broken record. Maybe they have super healing skills for longevity or maybe they choose to kill themselves because there's nothing left for life in the body.... Or as Ramana Maharshi (like several zen/ch'an monks detailed in Master Nan, Huai-chin's books) describes his body is left to rot naturally, to get sick, to decay, to be attended to by his students, while his mind and breath empty out past physical life with each thought/breath. So the decay and illness still doesn't affect him and he just lets the karma play out. These differences arise from deep paradoxes in philosophy with their cultural differences of gender dynamics, diet, climate, etc. So in Taoism the practice is based on body health -- so in Ch'an but not the same degree, even less so in Zen or Theravada or Brahmin meditation but more so again in Hatha-Kundalini. Tantra with the shit-eating, alcohol-garlic-sex practice seems to reverse and transcend both the body health and the mind health -- into the "crazy zen" state....