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Yes this sums up the situation of assuming "randomness" as some kind of arbitrator of objectivity. Foundations of Physics, Vol. 21, pp. 197-207, 1991, (c) Plenum Press. Biological Utilisation of Quantum NonLocality[1] Brian D. Josephson[2] and Fotini Pallikari-Viras[3]

I blogged an answer for you - http://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2018/06/what-is-inner-fire-in-book-taoist-yoga.html

Durdevich, Micho Institute of Mathematics, UNAM (Mexico City) “Music of Quantum Circles” 10/2015

OK now I would like to say that the past few days and the next few days - the Pineal Gland (Ancestral Cavity) energy is very strong with magnetic bliss due to the Solstice. Apparently Coons can not directly FEEL his pineal gland and that is unfortunate. Qigong Master Chunyi Lin who did the 49 days cave meditation with no sleep - just full lotus cave meditation at Mt. Qingcheng, where he experienced Lao Tzu appearing to him as a Yang Shen and touching his head - and he levitated up nine feet, spiraling in full lotus (after he left the cave) - next to a pine tree - http://springforestqigong.com - he teaches in his class, as I experienced, that to find the third eye this is what you do. You fold your ears together at the top and then point the ears to the skull - and what is there in the center of the skull is where the third eye is located - and he says it is the pineal gland. So if we search pineal gland across from ears image - what do we find? Yes it is lined up with the ears. And so as I type this - I can just "flex" my pineal gland and feel it - the magnetic bliss is stronger. So what does qigong master Chunyi Lin do? In the Level 3 he works to open the third eye and so he walks around and he touches people's foreheads and then you will feel your pineal gland get activated with magnetic bliss and you will see light. He did that to me in 2000 - after I did intensive meditation and I could feel my pineal gland first on my own from my meditation. And ever since then in 2000 I have been able to "flex" my pineal gland at will. I even STOPPED meditating for several months to see if if would GO AWAY. So because I stopped meditating - my energy channels closed up. BUT the magnetic bliss in the pineal gland did not go away. haha. So the ancestral cavity got cracked open as psychic yin qi energy. ttp://yusalife.com/go_files/misc_images/975669-ear.jpg So that is the url for that pineal gland image - notice it says EAR. So this corroborates what qigong master Chunyi Lin teaches in his classes. I realize that Coons can translate Chinese. Qigong master Chunyi Lin said he was able to study with many different masters because he knows many different dialects of Chinese. So I encourage Coons - despite his Chinese translation ability - to seek out a spiritual master that can crack open his pineal gland. I realize he has a fancy looking book and a fancy looking haircut - but sometimes the qigong training is not so fancy. haha. When I "flex" my pineal gland - what am I doing? I am pulling up blood into the pineal gland and this is being turned into cerebrospinal fluid - as we now know from my above research... Also when I rotate my eyes - this also activates the pineal gland and then I can feel my lower tan t'ien get activated. And so this is exactly how the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality describes. Since Coons translates Chinese - he should know better that the title Taoist Yoga is just an English rendering of the Chinese - and in now way is "indicative" of it being NOT "neidan" (insert fancy Chinese marketing term here please). haha.

OK now we get into the other claim I made - let's see if it is in this thread.... O.K. so sounds far out right? http://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2018/06/documenting-change-of-pineal-gland.html Sure enough - I document the pineal gland "volume" changes based on the lunar cycle and on aging... in other words by increasing the activation of the reproductive organ then the pineal gland decreases - and vice versa. So when the reproductive organ is "active" then the volume of the pineal gland goes down... And when the pineal gland energy "overflows" - the melatonin - then what happens? http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/23/2/301/html Paltsev, M.A.; Polyakova, V.O.; Kvetnoy, I.M.; Anderson, G.; Kvetnaia, T.V.; Linkova, N.S.; Paltseva, E.M.; Rubino, R.; De Cosmo, S.; De Cata, A.; et al. Morphofunctional and signaling molecules overlap of the pineal gland and thymus: Role and significance in aging. Oncotarget 2016, 7, 11972–11983. [Google Scholar] [CrossRef] [PubMed] So as I experienced from my qigong training - by reducing the activation of the reproductive organ - and by doing the reverse breathing - then the pineal gland and thymus are increased in volume and "rejuvenated" -

OK Now we have to go back to my pdf Idiot's Guide - but before doing so - we go to a 2018 study... http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/23/2/301/html O.K. so what this article details is that the Pineal Gland is also the 2nd highest "filter" of blood - after the kidney. And so it was proposed that the melatonin is created from the blood and then turned into the CSF (cerbrospinal fluid) melatonin....But now it is realized that actually the melatonin in the CSF is NOT from the blood.... So Western science is still not sure - what the connection is between blood melatonin (from the gut) and pineal gland produced melatonin ... but we NOW know that acupuncture increases the blood melatonin - and it does not originate from the pineal gland. And so by increasing vagus nerve activation, we increase blood melatonin - which then is CONVERTED to CSF melatonin.... Now Western science considers this a possibility - but if we turn to a qigong study we find corroboration for this possibility. http://yang-sheng.com/?p=3829 So where does that serotonin go if it leaves the blood? Into the cerebrospinal fluid via the pineal gland! How do we know this? And what does the pineal gland do? It converts serotonin into melatonin. But the gut has a huge amount of melatonin dierectly.

Now the study I cited - happened to be on the Acupoint of the Auricular vagus nerve (inner ear) activation - connection to the pineal gland - but reading further - the study discovered something very fascinating! It did discover the SOLUTION. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210269/ So these are Chinese scientists.... And so my "solution" - is now corroborated by science!!

Ok that quote didn't come through before - on the vagus nerve and melatonin levels.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4823619/ O.k. now we can turn this around - and show that LIGHT or SHEN going into the EYES then also activates the sympathetic nervous system while darkness activates the vagus nerve - via the pineal gland!! https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-7793.2003.00317.x and?

OK let's go back to COONS - we've already proven that he is not up to date on the KNOWN science of the pineal gland!! He goes into boys gonads - which is kind of creepy. Then he goes into "calcification" - which is not really that relevant.... he says the "decalcifying of the pineal gland has not been proven." Right - again it's not that relevant because since I've already cited the science that at Full Moons the pineal gland produces less melatonin - and so due to "electrons" - which are produced by piezoelectric pressure. And so "calcification" may or may not be a bad thing in terms of the pineal gland as the third eye.... http://protein.bio.msu.ru/biokhimiya/contents/v79/full/79101316.html And so by "reversing aging" in qigong - then the pineal gland electron energy is increased - and this is through the calcified material. In other words the particles or micrograins are being resonated by the full moon and this is why yogic meditation resonates the full moon energy.

O.K. - so this isn't the only science on how ELF waves are connected to "gravity waves" - but let's not get into that right now. Let's keep searching the "hits" on melatonin in the pdf. Yeah the rest is on serotonin - which is proven to increase melatonin levels, as the serotonin levels build up. O.K. so now let's turn to the "hits" on the vagus nerve and the pineal gland - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4823619/ Protective effects of an interaction between vagus nerve and melatonin on gastric ischemia/reperfusion: the role of oxidative stress So this study details how the antioxidants are greatly increased as a byproduct of vagus nerve activation - thereby corroborating my claim. And also debunking Coons claim that because the pineal gland is the "third eye" ONLY for reptiles - therefore it can not be such for mammals. The point being that deep right side vagus nerve activation is normally a "reptile" trait but is ALSO utilized through nonwestern spiritual training - and increases the "reptilian" pineal gland activation. PLoS One. 2014; 9(10): e111100. Published online 2014 Oct 27. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0111100 PMCID: PMC4210269 PMID: 25347185 Transcutaneous Auricular Vagus Nerve Stimulation Triggers Melatonin Secretion and Is Antidepressive in Zucker Diabetic Fatty Rats So this is what "auricular acupuncture" does - and so the vagus nerve activation goes to the pineal gland!! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210269/

OK so Western science is now acknowledging the pineal gland with this special psychic connection - but Western science still does not know the SOLUTION to the problem - in other words the vagus nerve connection to the pineal gland and how to increase the lower body melatonin levels into the brain.... So let's go back to my pdf and see what I said on this - what reference did I give.... Handbook of Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields, Third Edition So then cryptochrome, found in plants and animals, is being studied as a primary receptor of ELF resonance harmonics. Cryptochrome, a blue light photoreceptor in the human eye resonates via ELF waves. Just as birds are modeled to use quantum entanglement “beats” for migration via ELF cryptochrome resonance, so too are other animals, including humans. The journal Nature 2015 has a study of cows and ELF fields showing a decrease in pineal gland melatonin in the winter. O.K. so NOW we have a direct connection between the EYES and the external qi - the ELF energy - and the melatonin levels in the pineal gland! Fascinating.... Let's see what else is in the Idiot's Guide... The result considers that serotonin is the most effected since the summer result was contrary to the winter, so that the ELF waves repress the conversion of serotonin to melatonin during the winter when serotonin is low due to short day length. This is why the winter is considered a good time for meditation, to increase the yuan qi from the increased darkness. We now find science confirming this connection of Yuan Qi as ELF energy tied to quantum nonlocal consciousness through the eyes connecting to the pineal gland! Also just as with Taoist Yoga Alchemy we find a stronger seasonal variation in the energy - so that the melatonin is higher for deep body healing meditation during the winter while during the summer dopamine and serotonin are higher for more physical activity. “A human source for ELF magnetic perturbations” by A. R. Liboff , in ELECTROMAGNETIC BIOLOGY AND MEDICINE May 2015 gives a scientific model for this ability of humans to send external ELF energy to other humans. I know as a qigong healer, the united shen-qi leaves out of the eye balls via the pineal gland - causing my eye balls to pulsate with ELF waves! I had one qigong student who read me work online then visit the qigong center and the qigong master informed me that I knew him already from online and o.k.’d him to visit me. As I sat next to him in full lotus he suddenly noticed that my eyeballs were pulsating! haha. I knew they were but I had never had someone else comment about it! http://emmind.net/ the Electromagnetic Mind website gives links on the related science research exploring this alchemical reality. A Fugal Discourse on the Electromagnetic Coupling of Electromagnetic Processes in the Earth-Ionosphere and the Human Brain pdf by Kevin S. Saroka 2016 Ph.D. for Michael Persinger and here Saroka and Persinger

OK we'll open it as a pdf...... https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/04/10/idiot-s-guide-to-taoist-alchemy/ Over 13,500 views or downloads? Views. So now we downloaded it.... Word search melatonin again.... NOW we get a hypertext link (but I can not copy/paste this version. I was able to before but then suddenly daobums stopped letting me do that. haha).... http://protein.bio.msu.ru/biokhimiya/contents/v79/full/79101316.html And so here we are - the link at last! Hmm - ELECTRON - as in Qi energy.... So no longer just melatonin. O.k. now we check to see who cited this research....Wow - the journal Nature - the top science journal in the world.... Bipolar mood cycles and lunar tidal cycles TA Wehr - Molecular psychiatry, 2018 - nature.com In 17 patients with rapid cycling bipolar disorder, time-series analyses detected synchronies between mood cycles and three lunar cycles that modulate the amplitude of the moon's semi- diurnal gravimetric tides: the 14.8-day spring–neap cycle, the 13.7-day declination cycle and … It says Nature.com but is it really? https://www.nature.com/articles/mp2016263 Yep - so suddenly we've moved from "fringe" science - to CUTTING-EDGE science on the Pineal Gland as a gravitational "electron" sensor- transducer. Precisely the qigong claim I made based on my own training experience!! It would seem that Coons can not FEEL his pineal gland? I know I can "flex" mine at will - but again this is just the ANCESTRAL CAVITY - whereas to have the MYSTERIOUS GATE requires building the energy up - through increase jing to increased qi to increased shen.

So now let's look at those studies that connect the pineal gland to the vagus nerve - because as I just said - more melatonin is actually produces in the lower body. And this is cited in my "Idiot's Guide" pdf. So first we go to the Idiot's Guide to find the reference. http://perceivebelieve.tumblr.com/post/159904989496/the-idiots-guide-to-taoist-alchemy-qigong OK we got the link - now we word search melatonin. 2014 OOPS - what do we find? The pineal gland is a psychic transducer or gravisenor - with increased activation at the full moon - thereby decreasing the melatonin levels. In other words people are kept awake more by the stronger Lunasenor resonance energy. I'm not getting any hypertext in this cut and paste version. So let's open up another version........

OK so maybe something Coons doesn't realize is that melatonin is by far the strongest natural antioxidant in the body. And also it should be pointed out that the Earthing as "yin qi" energy creates internal tingling that "neutralizes free radicals." So that is also what antioxidants - such as melatonin does - they neutralize free radicals that cause aging. So Coons then as I quoted - let's quote him again to emphasize, once again, this is NOT a "strawman argument." O.K. so first of all the qigong master I took classes from - http://springforestqigong.com he did 49 days of full lotus cave meditation with NO SLEEP. So we know that - basic science on melatonin - is that from 11 pm to 1 am your pineal gland kicks out melatonin. But we ALSO know that, just as with serotonin, the lower body actually makes MORE melatonin than the pineal gland. And so in deep meditation - you can bypass the "igorance" of sleep - since you are naturally increasing your melatonin levels through deep vagus nerve activation. Also we know that this "fetus" breathing or immortal breathing - the reproductive organ - to quote Master Nan, Huai-chin - contracts like a baby - and so what is happening is that the lecithin that is normally used for "sexual maturity" as Coons calls it - is now being "reversed" - and so increases the pineal gland and the thymus gland. And so this is why the N.I.H. did testing of timing cancer drugs synchronized with the pineal gland from 11 pm to 1 am because that is again when the brain produces the most melatonin. And so the objective is like a gravity "swing" - to leverage the antioxidants of the circadian cycle, to increase the power of the cancer drugs. Similarly in qigong (insert fancy marketing Chinese term of your preference) - then the best time to meditate is 11 pm to 1 am. The melatonin of the brain is then at its fullest around 2 a.m.

So there is another FALSE ACCUSATION against me - with no evidence. So just to debunk this new lie - let's transcribe the relevant parts of the videos I am referring to - by Coons on the pineal gland. When I say "let's" I mean - as a joke - "Let's ME" not as "let's" is normally used - as in "let's you.".... O.K. now to the video from the OP. It sounds like Coons has a Canadian accent. I'm just "guessing" - but as minnesotan I have a similar accent. OK I tested 98% in biology in the ACT - and a third of my college undergraduate - university classes were in biology. So I know a bit of biology. To say the pineal gland is not the third eye in mammals is on the same level of saying the right side vagus nerve is not used by mammals to play dead. The right side vagus nerve is used by reptiles to play dead BUT the right side vagus nerve is ALSO the secret to samadhi training for humans (and we are mammals). Therefore logically the pineal gland also can not be dismissed just because of its supposed "third eye" role in reptiles, but not in mammals. So he's using faulty logic here - as a projection of his Western science onto nonwestern training. O.K. what was that again? I paused it so will go back to get the full sentence. O.K. so now - I just posted the study on this... activating the vagus nerve INCREASES melatonin levels (produced by the pineal gland). Thereby corroborating the first claim I made above - that the right side vagus nerve indeed increases the pineal gland activation. You want evidence? Sure you do right? Or are you just gonna dismiss this because you are "disappointed" or "not interested?" haha. So I search in google: Pineal gland, vagus nerve, melatonin. Protective effects of an interaction between vagus nerve and ... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4823619/ by N Shahrokhi - ‎2016 - ‎Cited by 2 - ‎Related articles Keywords: Vagus nerve, Melatonin Ischemia/reperfusion Oxidative stress ... Melatonin as a neurohormone is basically produced in the pineal gland and also in ... ‎Introduction · ‎Materials and Methods · ‎Discussion Transcutaneous Auricular Vagus Nerve Stimulation Triggers ... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210269/ by S Li - ‎2014 - ‎Cited by 9 - ‎Related articles Oct 27, 2014 - Decreased circulating melatonin is implicated in depression. ... The taVNS stimulates the afferent auricular branches of vagus nerve that project to ... Pineal gland was removed from rats by referring to a reported method [17]. Mysteries of the Pineal Gland….Unlocked | EFHerne's Renaissance ... https://efherne.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/the-pineal-glan/ Mar 27, 2012 - Unlocked The POWER of the Pineal Gland ~ Was Acknowledged and ... Melatonin causes you to experience calmness, serenity, and peace. .... Your Vagus Nerve begins in the Limbic system, and is the main bundle of wiring ... Melatonin modulates the lightâ•'induced sympathoexcitation and vagal ... onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7793.2003.00317.x/pdf that electrical lesion of the anterior hypothalamus can ... gastric vagal parasympathetic nerve activity, which was affected neither by hepatic vagotomy nor by.

Occupational sitting behaviour and its relationship with back pain – A ... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003687016300515 by R Zemp - ‎2016 - ‎Cited by 10 - ‎Related articles Occupational sitting behaviour was quantified in 20 subjects I stated this study "did not seem to be a problem." So now let's read the study to see what it says.... So like I said - "doesn't seem to be a problem." Yeah it was a false accusation - I just debunked it. I have repeatedly written that science is our current mythology - so a model is not a fact. Evidence can be considered facts but quantum physics is inherently interactive due the "measurement problem." So you would have to provide details. Way off? Do you have an specifics? Or are you just an "unsatisfied customer?" Oh Disappointed? Wow - like a crying boy in the Mall? haha. Again this is vague and a blatant over-generalization. The ONE specific you gave turned out to be false.

http://noncommutativegeometry.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-music-of-spheres.html

Qigong Master Yan Xin says that his healing energy is a "virtual information field." - so even the Chinese qigong masters are turning to quantum physics to explain what they do. haha. Qigong master Chunyi Lin even said to me - how I would be studying quantum physics to explain the experiences I've had. Qigong master Chunyi Lin read the book "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot - and qigong master Chunyi Lin said that book is an "accurate" description of what his reality is like. So if you want to "Understand' - quantum physics is the foundation of science now. It is not a matter of what "spare time" affords - your ability to use a computer is due to quantum physics - and all of the information technologies. But there is a deeper mystery to quantum physics - and the Copenhagen Interpretation tries to dismiss it as "woo woo." haha. Actually the nonwestern meditation, trance dance training corroborates the de Broglie model of quantum physics. So you can say you don't have "time" to understand. Again I urge you to seek out a qigong master to experience the truth. Then after that - how you experience time will dramatically change. You exist WITHIN time - and so TIME has YOU - not the other way around. haha. And so whether you want to "explain" these nonwestern experiences or not - in terms of Western science - that is up to you. But that is the research I am offering and the questions you asked - APPEARED to be legitimate. But as you admit now - any mention of quantum physics was just something you IGNORED and "turned off." Your brain rejected it. haha. What I am telling you is that nonwestern music theory EXPLAINS quantum physics! I am not the only one! Alain Connes does the same thing. And yet you make excuses - that you need advanced training in physics, etc. No - you just need to UNLEARN all the Western lies. Like the quote i just gave you. The person gives a good explanation of music theory - but then SUDDENLY projects his WESTERN bias onto the empirical evidence! SUDDENLY he insists that the Octave and the Perfect Fifth NEED to "line up" - can time "line up" with geometry? Really? Is time some material physical thing that can be geometrically lined up? Why does time need to be a visual cycle? haha. All human cultures use the 1-4-5 music intervals - and yet you insist this is too complicated a way to understand quantum physics. haha. Alain Connes gives a lecture - and you cite someone claiming I am not even quoting the lecture - and the person only watched HALF the lecture!! Hilarious. Seriously - if you just WATCH the lecture - you will find my quotes to be precise. The only quote that is not from the lecture - is from that 2004 source that I just cited. So it is Alain Connes giving the same information of music theory - corroborating his lecture.

http://www.tony5m17h.net/musPhys.html Here someone else transcribed Alain Connes "Triangle of Thoughts" book - and it makes the quote I posted. Well I did a MUCH better job at transcribing the book - this person skipped sentences, etc.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&ved=0ahUKEwjpirag1ebbAhVp0YMKHfwNBfoQFgheMA4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nieuwarchief.nl%2Fserie5%2Fpdf%2Fnaw5-2010-11-4-250.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0cwUfPd8qk06beUiBxWc6r pdf interview with Connes: So I have the quote of him clearly stating that music is a universal scaling system that is because of noncommutative phase and it has a geometric dimension of zero, just as a quantum sphere. So it models the quantum sphere and this noncommutative phase music will never be out of tune. So it INCLUDES western tuning - but it is not quite the same as Western tuning. haha.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Triangle_of_Thoughts.html?id=PgSMBgAAQBAJ No review by google....

OK let's test my transcription skills. Let's look up the book Triangle of Thoughts - from 2000 - and see if I just "made up" the above quotes.....

This is total B.S. - I listened to the lecture at HALF SPEED and transcribed the lecture quotes verbatim - and I used to work for the deaf community transcribing phone calls and I was also a legal secretary transcribing a law professor. So this person gives no evidence that that quotes are not verbatim - they are indeed. That FALSE accusation - with no evidence is by someone who admits they only listened to HALF the lecture! Hilarious. And this is supposed to be "engagement" with the "evidence?" So who is wasting my time now? haha. C'mon people ENGAGE WITH THE EVIDENCE.

Look at my edits above dude - you think you can just run away after all of this? haha. You refuse to engage with the evidence? Is that your problem? Willful ignorance. I have been answering your questions and I will continue to do so - because I have engaged with the evidence honestly.

Not mentioning something - to be "polite"? Again the issue is evidence. So now you provide a link. I will look at it. Why do you think you can't ask questions? Would you like me to count how many of your questions I have answered already? haha. But the whole time you have "politely" assumed that quantum mechanics is not necessary to understand - which is somewhat ironic considering computers would not exist without quantum mechanics. Since the early 20th century, the foundation of science has been quantum mechanics. So if you think quantum mechanics is not necessary to understand Pythagorean music, anatomy or philosophy - that is all fine - but this is a DAoist website. Have you searched out a Daoist spiritual master yet so you can "understand" the subject at hand? haha. Why not just cut to the chase instead of playing silly games. http://springforestqigong.com is a real spiritual master - you can call and get a "phone healing" - and then your experience will provide much greater understanding. You might even realize that only quantum mechanics can explain the phenomenon you experience (that is if you want to "reverse engineer" the experience back into Western science). But thanks for sharing that you don't think quantum mechanics is worth learning - that explains why you incessantly were stilted in your dialog with me. haha. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind - if you don't want to study quantum mechanics - no problem. That's your "evidence" - someone who watched HALF of the video and jumped to the wrong conclusion? haha. If you read my research online - you can find that I first cite Connes over ten years ago - and it's an entirely different source, based on music. Let's see if I can find it. Secret of the Snake: Kepler and the Nine - Ancient Mysteries ... https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com › ... › Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History Aug 16, 2006 - By drew hempel, August 16, 2006 in Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History .... The book Triangle of Thoughts (2000) by top French quantum chaos mathematicians Alain Connes, Andrew Lichnerowicz and Marcel Paul ... Yep - here we go. So that was the FIRST book I read by Connes - on music theory.... The book Triangle of Thoughts (2000) by top French quantum chaos mathematicians Alain Connes, Andrew Lichnerowicz and Marcel Paul Schutzenberger (M.P.S.) ends with a promotion of music theory as the secret key to solving humanity’s problems. The argument by Alain Connes is that music transmitted aurally is currently in the same stage as when people read out loud—as they did until the 12th Century A.D. Connes states that if people could, as conductor Solti did, read music scores and hear multiple texts in their head " Alain Connes continues “ So just as I did with the youtube lecture online - I transcribed it. Now let's look at a third source of Connes on music theory.... Just type the quote into google and presto: arXiv:math/0404128v1 [math.NT] 6 Apr 2004 https://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0404128 by A Connes - ‎2004 - ‎Cited by 14 - ‎Related articles This isn't just metaphorical - it is precise math. There is another quantum physicist who makes a similar point about music - actually I quote half a dozen quantum physicists on music and noncommutative phase. Professor Basil J. Hiley (with whom I've corresponded) - his collaborator David Bohm. Nobel PHysicist Brian Josephson (with whom I've corresponded), This quantum physicist in Mexico - ....Fred Alan Wolf - so that's half a dozen right there....including Alain Connes. Let's go back to the "explanation" page that you link to....this quote below is imposing a Western bias onto an empirical truth. There is no need to "line up the octave and the Perfect Fifth" - unless you decide to define infinity as a geometric materialism and so therefore need to change the empirical truth of the noncommutative phase tuning. The Daoists DID NOT CHANGE THE EMPIRICAL TRUTH. THe Western Science revolution from Plato DID change the empirical truth by "tempering" the noncommutative phase or complementary opposites. Alain Connes acknowledges the truth.