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They are stating that the later Chinese dragon is based on the sanke because the crocodile went extinct along the Yellow River, farther north.

quoting me is not what you said. Nice try though.

Nungali said:

umm - next time read the OP links. http://en.people.cn/english/200004/29/eng20000429_40001.html Who's doing the WEIRDsplain again? So you think that the sea crocodile is too snubby compared to what? Clam shells? and an ancient Oracle Bone character? haha. Seriously. 15 feet is pretty long for a croc - I'm sure details are not that important.

Wow Castaneda was a living horror story! Funny that you then turn to him for your judgment of "masters."

yep: That article makes the hilarious error of r1b haplogroup - which is just the early farmer haplogroup.

I also have a free pdf that will give you more details - and then I can provide more details after you've read the free pdf - https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/04/10/idiot-s-guide-to-taoist-alchemy/

Both you and "Apeche" keep misrepresenting what I have stated. You introduced in your OP - "aryan empire" and then you introduced the phase "Aryan europe" and most recently you have claimed that Aryans went into Europe. None of these claims by you are true but they are common claims of Neo-nazis. Therefore they are neo-Nazi claims. Kongming has even gone as far as to make direct Neo-Nazi claims about Northern European phenotypes being Aryan and that is your implication as well. You keep stating you are taking about "language and culture" but I already debunked that "coded" claim was made by the Nazis as well. And so now you want to refer to me in the "third person" - etc. without actually engaging with the evidence I've presented. haha. That's just ideological denial - plain and simple. And you seem to believe in the Aryans out of India view point when this has been clearly been debunked already. So all I can say is read the research I've posted. It takes some time to read the research. But it's easy to just make caddy comments. by the way Apeche - "native americans" is now commonly rejected along with "indians" - as the first peoples here were clearly not "Americans" as that is the name of the colonizers who committed genocide against the "Indians" etc. So indigenous or native peoples is more acceptable or the particular tribal name.

Yes there is only ONE vid I found on youtube where this Dutch medical researcher says how the cold water immersion activates some key protein reaction that causes the strong internal heat. So the breathing exercises prime the pump so to speak - if you just do cold water immersion without the breathing then it's not as effective or even dangerous - but if you don't do the cold water immersion and just do the deep breathing then the Wim Hof method also is not as effective. think of the Tibetan Tummo training relying cold water immersion via soaked icy cold thin cotton sheets. It takes a lot of energy to dry cotton. I wonder if maybe they are wool sheets? That would be much easier.

Let's be clear - there are three factors in play here. 1) the 4,000 BCE dragon in the grave with the tiger is to indicate Taoist alchemy training, Dragon for east, tiger for west. That's the most important point - it is a very specific alchemy teaching. Now everyone can point out lots of frilly dragons and those are obviously very well known to be the "chimera" dragons - great. But can anyone show those dragons as symbols indicated east with the tiger also together as west - in the same location? 2) Now having the real ancient Taoist alchemy principles elucidated - the claim is that what people - Chinese people and others have considered to be a crocodile as a dragon is rejected by some readers here because the clam shell dragon has a neck too long to be a crocodile? Similarly the early Oracle Bone dragon that Chinese people and others consider to be a crocodile is rejected by some readers here because - the character "could be anything"? Let's remember the context of what we are considering here - did people read the link of the book, Tao of the Crocodile? It describes how this 15 foot long Sea Crocodile used to terrorize the Chinese. Now if a 15 foot long monster is attacking humans - do you think maybe it might have a long neck, in relation to say the alligators? Or do you think maybe its depiction as an early Oracle Bone character might show some frills on top or some kind of extra "body" to it? C'mon it's a huge monster crocodile - people are gonna add to it, compared to a normal crocodile image. 3) Yes later dragons look different than the crocodile - because the sea crocodile went extinct at an early time. But the key point here is that the real Taoist alchemy training principles originated from the dragon as the crocodile. Now what is fascinating about that is that in Egypt, as I mentioned, it was taught that the crocodile energy had to be absorbed - meaning celibacy. And so the crocodile as dragon is tied to the need to putting the fire under the water so that the water is turned to steam to create the qi energy. So sure you all can keep rejecting the crocodile - but please remember the real alchemy principles that it represents. haha. Keep making excuses of why the crocodile was not the original Dragon - I guess it is kind of shocker. People apparently need "fancy" art work to appreciate the dragon. I don't! I appreciate the alchemy principles - not the art work. haha.

It may have been thousands of years but the Chinese dragon as sea crocodile went extinct already and now the Chinese alligator maybe went extinct already: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/21/science/rare-alligator-is-threatened-as-china-feeds-its-people.html Those animals have been around for hundreds of millions of years. That's the earliest Chinese character for Dragon - looks pretty Crocodile Dundee to me. https://www.languagewire.com/en/lw/themes/chinese-dragon Which brings us to this intriguing link The Tao of the Alligator and the Crocodile By J.M. Garlock https://books.google.com/books?id=7QDclHhIwwAC&pg=PT75&lpg=PT75&dq=chinese+dragon+character+on+oracle+bone+crocodile&source=bl&ots=Ja_KMaHd2n&sig=-PadkCBDwhwIKJwuuGcywl7-fq8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiL5fqx54fVAhXpjlQKHeExCkkQ6AEIPzAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false Says yep the Oracle Bone character is a Crocodile as Dragon in Shang dynasty. But of course what I'm talking about is older than the Shang Dynasty. 4000 BCE. So a good 2500 years of the Crocodile as dragon in China. Sure it's "pre-history" as archaeology but it's also REAL Taoist alchemy - dragon is east and tiger west. You gotta study the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality for the details or read my free pdf. haha. So that book is not about China but rather arguing that Crocodiles and Alligators are "living dragons" and were considered such in China. yeah 230 million years old.

Troodon was the smartest dinosaur. Gorgon was the smartest animal of the Permian geological age some 280 million years ago. An anthropologist Jones argued that the Dragon is a composite of all the dominant predators of primates - from our ancestor deep memory fears. his book title - "An Instinct for Dragons." http://enigmose.com/dinosaurs_dragons.html So the composite of animals was Harpy Eagles, big Cats, and Snakes - and maybe one other. But to bring it back to the OP we turn to Smithsonian: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/where-did-dragons-come-from-23969126/

I think you mean everyone is a neanderthal. It was Stan Gooch's contention that neanderthal DNA is the secret reason for antisemitism (be it against Jews or Muslims). Gooch was half-Jewish and he retired to a Caravan (trailer) in Wales. I corresponded with him in long hand letters. I tried to get him interested in the San Bushmen original human culture that was dominant for 90% of human history - as the real basis for the paranormal spiritual lunar abilities that Gooch attributed to the neanderthals. But Gooch was correct in naming the cerebellum as the key secret to paranormal powers and the subconscious. He realized a fascination asymmetric secret dealing with left brain dominance and the solar calendar - whereas the Neanderthal cerebellum dominance reverses the symmetry. So increase of left brain thinking being right hand dominant - for the neanderthal left hand, right brain thinking, also is left vagus nerve dominant via the cerebellum. This actually aligns with Taoist alchemy training as well. It seems that modern Westernized humans are deeply mass mind controlled in terms of "blood lines" and DNA and materialistic Darwinism - when as modern biological humans the only unifying culture we have actually is music as the 1-4-5 music intervals. So "culture" is imposed on a deeper biology that remains untapped - as Gurdjieff called it the Kundabuffer as the blockage in the lower back. So Gooch had a kind of Reichian approach to the Neanderthal culture - since he didn't know about the original human Bushmen training. But since Gooch embraced the Neanderthals and the paranormal then his psychology career was short-circuited. But his tome book for popular reading, "Total Man," is an excellent work - he predicted how political views are hard-wired. I go into this in my free pdf "The Alchemy of Rainbow Heart Music" on "antisemitism and antiscience." What this image neglects to point out is that it's now proven that San Bushmen also have "archaic Homo" cross-breeding as much as Eurasians have neanderthal cross-breeding - about 3%. http://www.aulis.com/twothirds7.htm I don't agree with Gooch - as again he ignored the original human culture - but then so too does mainstream modern science (and even the supposed "alternative" sciences). haha. https://www.aulis.com/testimonials2.htm Wow they published letters to Stan Gooch! Let's see if mine are there. I'm guessing not, since I make a point to make fun of the medium of writing. Nope - just one page of letters. But Stan gooch was very nice - sending me several responses. He had plans for a new book titled something about how modern humans got everything all wrong. So Gooch's book "The Neanderthal Legacy" title got lifted by an academic published by Princeton University Press. haha. So here's where they try to link to schizoids: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18696.90/wap2.html Now some real science: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/humans-mated-neandertals-much-earlier-and-more-frequently-thought So based on Neanderthal DNA - it's been determined that the first modern humans who left AFrica had Neanderthal sex 100,000 years ago and then the humans went extinct. So then a 2nd line of humans left Africa after mt. Toba explosion - and also bred with Neanderthals. But I should point out that the South Indian new DNA study shows they lived in India before Mt. Toba explosion 70,000 years ago. Which means not all those early humans out of Africa went extinct. So the Hominin Genus can cross-breed with Sapien subspecies.... http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/our-hidden-neandertal-dna-may-increase-risk-allergies-depression

Kongming - you should read the links I posted - you throw out three options as being equally valid. This is not true - based on the genetics and the linguistics, one option is valid. What I am debunking is the Neo-Nazi Aryan claim repeated by Nungali, from the OP and most recently as this Proto-Aryan claim: So notice it is claimed that PIE developed from Aryans and then spread into Europe! Not True - that is a Neo-Nazi claim and has been debunked by both linguistics and genetics. PIE developed from "eastern hunter gatherers" and Georgian "ancient near eastern" (Afro-Asiastic) farmers. Then those people developed the chariot culture that spread into Europe as Yamnaya and spread later into Bactria as the "Aryan Homeland" that you and Nungali keep clinging to. haha. Time to let go of the "ancient Aryan" homeland lie. Kongming: This is total Neo-Nazi b.s. and you need to stop your belief in this nonsense:

O.K. I replied to this with a previous link in this thread. I'll repeat that link (look it up in the thread) and investigate its implications. First of all we have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Semitic_languages So I have established now that Minoan culture was from the original white Neolithic farmers - white skin from malnutrition - that then spread into Europe - starting in Minoan from the Near East Levant - and then later from Anatolia - but all before any "indo-european Yamnaya" invasion. In fact - as far as Minoan could be related to Indo-European it would be Proto-Indo-European and that it now appears that Southern European "Indo-European languages" are from not the same source as the Yamnaya Indo-European languages. So now we have established an older "advanced civilization" of pre-Aryan - not even "proto-Aryan" - would could possible say "proto-Indo-European" but more likely we should say Afroasiatic or Eurasiatic language. https://www.quora.com/Is-Minoan-Linear-A-a-Proto-European-language-or-does-it-come-from-Asia-Africa-or-a-mixture-of-all-three Right. And so the debate gets intense about Minoan language - since Minoans were early immigrants of the first monocultural malnutrition wheat (white skinned) farmers: http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/04/minoans-in-ancient-canaan.html So - we are talking after 20,000 years ago.... So then the proto-Indo-Iranian (Aryan) is from the steppes chariot culture that is later. So then the Proto-Indo-European is an older farming language that developed into a chariot language as well: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-origins-of-proto-indo-european.html Right so we have Eurasiatic as the older origin of Proto-Indo-European and Afroasiatic as the older origin of Minoan. So the Eurasiatics are "Eastern Hunter Gatherers" originally - again just after 20,000 years ago. Right so after 20,000 years ago but more then 10,000 years ago. And hence the overlap between Afro-Asiatic and Indo-European language: The creation of Indo-European languages came later: Again hence the semitic and Indo-European linguistic connections. in comparison to Eurasiatic - we have AFroasiatic: https://marcivermeersch.wordpress.com/category/language/afro-asiatic/

https://www.livescience.com/22639-indo-european-language-tree.html So this study along with the 2013 study proving that Minoans were from older neolithic farmers of West Asia - puts the nail in the coffin on the Indo-European language claim. Just as "Arya" as an Afro-semitic cognate before Indo-European Aryan - so too did the Steppe chariot culture come from the older Indo-European farming culture.

Instead of buffalo wings they should serve dragon wings.

Point being that the phrase is used to claim that cultures follow the development of the embryo - so for example it was claimed by Piaget that certain cultures still have the mentalities of 5 year olds, and this line of thinking the justified claims of people still being "subhumans" etc. My brother-in-law who is a blue-blood Aryan Reptilian said he was not African since he didn't live in trees. Nice. But anyway crocodiles apparently when transformed into dragons are quite finicky about their ontogeny. haha. If it is a European crocodilian dragon then they have wings, meaning they are more "evolved" like birds. haha. Hilarious.

Yeah Stosh said "ontology" instead of Ontogeny - he meant the latter in terms of embryo. Not philology. haha.

Dang no more "Aryan Europeans" - What will the Neo-Nazi's cling to as their McDonalds Bosom "Homeland" search? http://dlc.hypotheses.org/807

Umm - you're supposed to quote Haeckel now as a joke - as his belief in that was the main foundation for Nazism.

cool. https://www.unz.com/gnxp/indo-europeans-red-in-tooth-claw/ So that's your "old Aryan Empire" - congratulations! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrgarh This site is also now considered Indo-Aryan - dated back to http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/03/rakhigarhi-ancient-dna-paper-probably.html So that's the ancient DNA study that everyone is waiting for - Harappan DNA. http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/02/rumors-leaks-thread.html?commentPage=2 So the rumor is that it's NOT Aryan (r1a).... https://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-holocene-origins-of-indians-nearing-conclusion/ http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959683616650268 http://dispatchesfromturtleisland.blogspot.com/2017/02/harappan-y-dna-leak.html More on the "rumors" - so if it is R2 - that would be very fascinating -

The Bushmen are the original Taoists. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/the-end-of-archaic-h-sapiens/#.WWR-SFGQwqQ Read up.

https://www.unz.com/gnxp/indo-europeans-red-in-tooth-claw/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/02/the-race-question-are-bonobos-human/#.WWR6r1GQwqQ

https://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/04/20/aryan-marauders-from-the-steppe-came-to-india-yes-they-did/ So he's saying there is an ancient Pre-Aryan Invasion emigration of South Indians up to Xinjiang.