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This is very funny because you want to use science but you have completely left out the foundation of quantum physics which is the new foundation of science for the past 100 years!! This is a very common problem you have made because classical physics is taught first to people in school and so people are mind-controlled. I realized this and so I didn't take physics in high school but my first year of college I did take quantum physics. haha. So you say everything is physical up to zero as Emptiness - well I guess you haven't really studied quantum physics then. Fourier Uncertainty as time-frequency is the eternal process of change as complementary opposites (converted into symmetric math for Western analysis) - so that is the secret of the Buddhist phrase: Emptiness is Form. Please don't limit yin and yang to physical energies. As Pythagoras taught - all is NUmber and Harmony - and so from the 1 is 2 and from the 2 is 3 and from 3 is all of reality - that is the secret of Tai Chi but only understood as complementary opposites. Classical physics is based on taking that secret and twisting it into symmetric geometry - thereby destroying the Tai Chi and replacing it with a preestablished deep disharmony. So that problem goes back to Plato and Archytas - it's a very deep mind control problem - it even goes back to the "divide and average" math of the Vedic-Brahmin ritual priests. Buddhism was a reform effort - but still is based on the symmetric logic of the Vedic philosophy while Taoism is parallel to the three gunas, the oldest philosophy of India - from trance dance training of Africa based on music theory. So the nonwestern music theory is the secret meaning of Fourier Uncertainty in quantum physics. You want to clarify things for people by putting it into Western science terms but instead you are just repeating the same problem of twisting something that is inherently nonwestern in Western terms. It's better that people study and learn the terms of the traditional Taoist texts since those teachers are from a lineage that knows the real answers. Or you can do what I did - spend 15 years unlearning Western thought. haha. Traditional teachings are not archaic - they are based on biology of modern humans that has not changed fundamentally in 125,000 years - which is the last time the original human culture, the Bushmen, from were all this spiritual training comes from, split off from the other African tribes that migrated into the rest of the world. And also the whole Neo Matrix thing is messed up: Actually the secret of how Neo left the Matrix is because he repeatedly said to himself: Or as Pythagoras taught: One is not a number. In other words - the source of the I-thought is that there is no mind and so number does not exist. But when form does exist it resonates through complementary opposites and this is very practical information. So by studying Taoist Yoga we discover the efficacy of the Moving of Yin and Yang exercise for example. The left hand is Yuan Shen - the dragon channel to the left side of the heart. The right hand is Yuan Qi - the tiger channel to the right side of the heart. So in the Moving of Yin and Yang standing active exercise you put the left hand in front of the lower body. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_1sPDntOTs Why? because the left hand is Yuan Shen and as the dragon cavity it also is yin - while the lower body is also yin - this is because you first have to build up the yin qi. That's why the Heart as shen is dragon but in the first stage of alchemy the liver is the Green Dragon because you close the eyes and the shen goes to the liver. So the lower tan tien is called the Cavity of the Dragon because you build up the yin qi or the Heart's fire energy until the Green Dragon is then opened into the yang qi so that the heart's fire is turned into the Red Dragon - yang energy. That is the secret of the yang within the yin - or the yuan qi manifesting out of the heart unified with the yuan shen. And so for the lower tan tien as the Cavity of Spirit-Vitality - you put the right hand over the left hand to seal in the energy. Why? Because the right hand as yuan qi needs to surround the yuan shen - the qi is what gives the force to the shen and as Taoist Yoga explains if you don't have enough yuan qi surrounding the yuan shen - when the shen leaves the body it causes dizziness as a spacetime vortex - that's from chapter 11.

In the very beginning of the book Taoist Yoga talks about the difference between Relative Void and Absolute Void - it's the end of chapter 1. By referring to light inside your head you're talking about Relative Void - Taoist Yoga says that's absolutely useless - because it's just tied to the physical body transformations. The absolute void as light outside the head means you have achieved the Tai Chi which is the Yuan Qi and Yuan Shen united as nondualism - beyond inner and outer. So you think the book is repetitive - but you haven't even understood chapter one yet. haha. I studied the book for 15 years and didn't even start to crack its meaning - I got to chapter 6 in practice with hints of chapter 9 and chapter 11. Taoist Yoga: Alchemy & Immortality - Page 3 - Google Books Result https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0877280673 Charles Luk, ‎Pi Chʻen Chao, ‎Kʻuan Yü Lu - 1973 - ‎Health & FitnessAnswer Seeing the void as not empty is right and seeing the void as empty ... Voidness which does not radiate is relative but voidness which radiates is absolute.

We already had this discussion - I exposed the details on Plato and Apeiron - he lied about real meditation as Emptiness. http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2015/05/updating-devils-interval-and-deep.html p. 394 Socratic, Platonic and Aristotelian Studies: Essays in Honor of Gerasimos Santas 2011 And so then you have Proclus directly stating if there were no Apeiron there would be no irrational magnitudes. From this googlebook review link citing Vassliis Karasmanis, "Continunity and Irrationality in Ancient Greek Philosophy and Mathematics." Someone on thetaobums asked the seemingly innocent question about the connection between Taoism and NeoPlatonism

Actually................ This is the typical deification of Plato - a total twisting of his views. Plato was against yoga and for a left-brain technocracy agenda based on Archytas twisting Pythagorean philosophy. I have written on this in great detail. Francesco Pelosi, Plato on Music, Soul and Body (Cambridge University Press, 2010), p. 118

the real question is do you see a white light - outside your head - at all times! That means the third eye is fully open - that is a very advanced state. Only after that state does the golden light manifest. If you read more in detail - it's described in more detail later in the book about that stage of the practice.

That chariots connection to borrowed INdoEuropean words in Chinese is good but even more so is the rod system of counting - I think that is from INdo-European connection. And so to tie this together - the chariot connection is documented by Abraham Seidenberg in his Ritual Origins of Geometry - that the Brahmin mathematicans used a "squaring of the circle" Pythagorean Theorem procedure to convert circle altars to be the same area more or less of square altars. This same technique was also used to center the circles for chariot wheels. And so in Chinese mathematics you find a similar analysis of the Pythagorean Theorem. But while all of this is interesting - the problem with this dude's linguistic analysis is he ignores the interconnections between geometry and language and mathematical analysis - and the common divider of them is music theory. My own blogbook article goes into the details on this - on Taoist philosophy and non-commutative math and music theory as the origin of the mathematics - which violates the commutative property espoused to by Brahmin phonetic-based logic. So Taoist is older than the Brahmin or Vedic language or chariot math culture which is based on "divide and average" mathematics. Certainly China developed this "divide and average" math culture - but it did so after Taoism - which is why Taoism remained misunderstood and in conflict with Buddhism in many ways. http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-devils-interval-and-pre-established.html http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2015/05/updating-devils-interval-and-deep.html O.K. so the counting rods math in China was never a written down system but when Zero was introduced from India that was based on writing down the mathematics - this is a key difference between left brain dominant (writing down symbols) and right brain dominant (visualizing in the brain math). So then it is pointed out the ancient Chinese counting rods were perfectly happy with negative numbers - but not the Indians - and this is most likely because of the Chinese duality philosophy of yin-yang. https://books.google.com/books?id=f6HlhlBuQUgC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=from+india+to+china+math+counting+rods&source=bl&ots=EAg5QVhem1&sig=6JcsEcvA0-5HoWPbI7e-C3b93LQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFwQ6AEwDWoVChMIz8Syq6zexgIVVjaICh3Xxgk-#v=onepage&q=from%20india%20to%20china%20math%20counting%20rods&f=false Yeah so I would say the math-music analysis overrides just a linguistic analysis which is based on a lot of speculation.

actually the MCO is only stopped near the very end of the training - when the golden light manifests the third time - that's my understanding or recollection. Quote the book if you have a reference for what you're talking about. The white light is just the yin shen and only when it is seen externally is it the Absolute Void as the Tai Chi experience. When it is seen internally that is the relative void and just the yin qi manifesting in the brain - as the pineal gland converts the yin jing into yin qi and that will then increase the light in the brain. So the prenatal breathing or immortal breathing - I think that is chapter 9 of Taoist YOga - and it only kicks in after the yin qi fills up the Conception Vessel - Ocean of Qi and then the lower tan tien begins filling up with yuan qi - replenishing the yuan qi. As Wang Liping says it takes 6 hours of full lotus meditation a day to restore the yuan qi to fill up the lower tan tien - for 100 days or so. Actually he says a year I think. So yeah TAoist Yoga says that also - I think it says 500 days of MCO practice to fill up the lower tan tien for the real Tai Chi experience. Of course if you're relatively young and have not burned out too much yuan qi then it can be done faster - also with the help of energy healing from a qigong master. Now to go beyond that point - the immortal breathing means Emptiness as nirvikalpa samadhi - so your body is filled with qi - you can sit in full lotus as long as you want in ease - you can sleep 5 hours a night or even go without food - and do strong healing but then you use up your energy. So the problem is people are very strongly to the energy - the more you practice the more other people want your energy. So at this stage like I did most people "fall back into worldliness" - as Master Nan, Huai-chin describes it - "due to heroic overexurberance." But if you do stay in immortal breathing - the centers of the hands and feet pulsate along with the top of the head and physical breathing is minimal to not needed also water is not so much needed - the qi converts any chemicals the body needs alchemically. so also you could go without food too if you can maintain Emptiness focus. I think it's chapter 11 - when the third eye finally gets fully opened - but that would be after a couple months of "deep serenity" when you go deeper into the lower tan tien - the alchemical pill is stronger so the yuan jing is stronger for deeper Emptiness. After that you work on the golden body - and so after it manifests 3 times - you then stop the MCO and work on the yang shen. That's the heavenly immortal stage - before that you can be an earthly immortal I think - which manifests the yin shen body. But at any stage in the training you can fall back and so it's a bit malleable - if you got so far before maybe you have fallen back since, etc.

the top of the head pulsates - much like SOTG showing for his middle tan tien - although that looks more like muscle flexing. Anyway there's "yin shen" and "yang shen" and so yeah it's a process that is all connected. yin jing builds to yang jing (yin qi) which builds to yang qi (yin shen) which builds to yang shen (yin jing). So when you get yang shen you get physical transformations - and the energy cycles like that. So to build up shen you first has to build up qi - and the jing-qi-shen is the alchemical pill that can be transmitted out of the pineal gland - in different variations of intensity - but the energy has to be unified on some level. The Emptiness is this eternal process of complementary opposites. So the ultimate complementary opposite is the yuan qi on the right side of the heart building up the yuan shen on the left side of the heart - in prenatal state they are unified but after birth the yuan shen manifests out of the eyes and the yuan qi manifests out of the pineal gland. So with yuan qi focused on reproduction it then causes the yin jing to deconvert to generative fluid whereas if yuan qi is focused on Emptiness it sublimates the yin jing into yin qi. That is how the Ocean of Qi is built up - the conception vessel - of the yin heel channels. So then as the yin qi builds up it activates the Cavity of Spirit-Vitality which is the lower tan tien as the unification of qi and shen. So only after the yin qi is built up is the lower tan tien really activated and then you have to convert that yin qi into yang qi - this is the first stage of alchemy called converting jing to qi. Most qigong practice doesn't even get to the first stage since the yin qi never gets built up in the first place. If you do beging converting jing to qi then finally the pineal gland begins to open up - which means the Cavity of Original Spirit of yin shen manifests as the first half of enlightenment - the Lunar Dragon energy or heart's fire energy - it is the Cavity of the Dragon of the lower tan tien filling up and then manifesting as a third eye opening up - it is the Tai Chi manifesting. If you can keep storing up your energy - then you really achieve a god like level - but in either case after the Tai Chi manifests then you see light outside your head and light around other people's heads and so you have permanent contact with the shen reality. At this stage the top of the skull softens up and pulsates with qi and the center of the skull opens up again. If you can fully fill up the lower tan tien with yang qi then the real astral travel kicks in and much stronger abilities - any bit of yang qi or yuan qi energy activated is gonna have strong abilities. But if you get attached to the power than it creates disharmony as the shen is right brain dream state trance vision while attachment is the left brain language intention of the ego. So that's why shen is the sattva or pure mind state of the Emptiness - the Wu Chi as female formless awareness. If the shen leaves the body without enough qi surrounding it - then there is a spacetime vortex of dizziness. I had this happen to me - but it's only explained in chapter 11 of Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality. I didn't think I had made it that far in the book so it took me a few years to figure out what had happened to me. In the mean time I had stopped practicing and the energy channels closed up and then I used up my yuan qi energy. But if the third eye really opens up then you can see dead people as spirits - as I did when they were hovering around the original qigong master in full lotus doing healing. So the Cavity of Original Spirit (the upper tan tien) is actually from the Yuan Qi manifesting its "wondrous light" which it doesn't do until the lower tan tien is really activated after filling up the yin qi energy. This again is a Tai Chi experience which means it is Oneness as nonduality - so it's not in any location in the body - it is an Emptiness spacetime experience of deep bliss awareness which then increases the shen light. The more Yuan Qi energy you build up the more Yuan Shen energy it creates - that is detailed in the Taoist Yoga book. The key is you can't see the Emptiness and so shen isn't the final answer but you use spirit-light to guide the qi as shen is the holographic visionary information field that guides the qi. So that is what is meant by focusing on the Emptiness - turning the light around since when we close our eyes then the Yuan Shen goes down to the liver as the Green Dragon which then builds up the yin qi energy energy and converts the yin jing of the kidneys, via the True Intention of the spleen/pancreas and the White Tiger of the lung deep slow breathing - to build up the yuan jing energy into more yin qi.

I'm actually packing and sorting cherries and blueberries right now - organic - for my job - as they are in season. So I tested this out - because I can eat quite a bit of blueberries without getting tingling - but still since it is fruit I still need to use tea tree oil as a purifier just because there is sugar. Or at least water. With cherries if I eat a lot I do get internal tingling - this includes Lapin which have lower sugar than Rainier. yeah I mean fruit is amazing food but as Cousens says it's very high energy. Chimps rely on fruit as their main food source and chimps have huge muscles. So the thing about fruit as Cousens says is he needs to do a few hours of physical labor to burn off the sugar. But with qi energy - we have way more energy than we realize - so the qi neutralizes the free radicals created from the sugar. It has to do with biophotons - I researched this. anyway basically free radicals cause the body to emit more biophotons instead of storing them - so if we get energy from pigments more like melanin it converts to electromagnetic energy to split the water bonds in our body to provide hydrogen directly to the mitrochondria. And that is the secret of the antioxidants in fruit also from the pigments - the dark red and blue colors in berries being low glycemic. But also that's why greens are the key food source because the chlorophyll green pigment has magnesium which like melanin also converts photons into electromagnetic energy. For example it's proven that if you eat high chlorophyll you can handle more UV rays without sun burn - like spirulina. But also the citric acid helps in that process - I guess from my recent mushroom research I know that the melanin in mushrooms relies on the enzymes like SOD - superoxidase - to convert the deadly radiation - that melanin stores and reflects as a pigment - to convert it into a useful energy source as electron food energy. So citrus fruit - citric acid directly neutralizes lactic acid in the krebs cycle - so citric acid is great to stop sore muscles. So that is the key secret of how eating fruit enables building bigger muscles because if you don't build up lactic acid then you can exercise more. So I would say fruit just depends more on the physical activity being done - if you're doing more standing active exercises than fruit is probably o.k. but for me the reaction is immediate - I feel it as a pineal gland top down reaction. So I'm sure there is a competition with the biophoton to electron conversion process by the pineal gland or (shen to qi conversion process). Qi to shen also - at that level it is complementary opposites as informal energy.

Yeah there was a turn of the early 20th c. white male yogi writer who took the name Ramachakra I think - he turned out a series of books on yoga that I came across - and he differentiated between "the astral tube" and "astral travel." But I know one remote viewer who stopped doing it since his success was so great he experienced too much energy intensity from his remote viewing - so it was more like astral travel for him. What Robert Bruce describes is very much the difference between "yin qi" remote viewing and yang or yuan qi as astral travel. I go into this in my pdf free book. yeah so Robert Bruce describes the dizziness sensation in his first OBE Astral Travel experience. As I stated - that is explained in chapter 11 of the Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality book - I had that dizziness spacetime vortex experience also - it means that the yin shen spirit has not been surrounded by enough yuan qi energy in the lower tan tien. And also as I mention in my book - for the original human culture where this training comes from - the advanced healer needs his body protected from dead spirits while he himself is doing astral travel. So that does corroborate that it's important for the body to be in a safe environment.

it depends - if I bake fruit I usually add oil which lowers the glycemic index - that's also why tortillas have a lower glycemic index despite being made from wheat often - the added fat. I blogged on fruit, the vagus nerve, and qigong http://innersoundqigong.blogspot.com/2014/09/insulin-vagus-nerve-and-leptin.html Kind of fascinating to review this info - a lot of great details. But the reaction to fruit depends on how burned out my liver glucose levels are - even still I have to be careful. Fruit is very high energy food.

The OP raises an interesting question about physical death. The original human culture with its focus on spiritual training does mention that sometimes the master healers do die during the trance healing - and that the most dangerous spiritual experience is the spirit going into heaven, leaving the body - this is based on the astral rope. The Crown Chakra Orgasm which I did experience is more of a yin qi energy experience whereas after the yang qi or yuan qi is activated then the top the skull does pulsate with electromagnetic energy and the fissures of the skull do open up again just as with a baby's soft spot. The original qigong master did say that indeed for some masters - you can stick something through the hole in the top of the skull. As for death - well in spirit travel it is the qi energy that guides the shen - and so if the qi surrounding the shen is not strong enough this causes a spacetime vortex dizziness - experienced as the room spinning around you. So for Bardon to say that the death is caused by too much qi snapping off the spirit rope to the body - I suppose that is one possibility. But I did accidentally pull an old lady's spirit out of the top of her skull and I felt this heavy electromagnetic blob when I did it and as soon as I felt that get pulled out of the top of her skull she immediately burst out bawling and she was bawling nonstop for at least 15 minutes. She never saw what I did as she was sitting down and was standing next to her - but my hand was over her head, never touching her. I forgot that the original qigong master taught to never pull energy blockages from out of the top of the center of the skull - and I didn't think my power was that strong. Anyway the thing is that for the qigong masters they transcend death every day - and when I did pull that lady's spirit out of the top of her skull I had also just finished an 8 day fast on just a half glass of water the whole time whereby I too transcended death to a certain extent. So for example the original qigong master said his heart stopped completely yet he walked around for 2 hours. So the physical body is dependent on the yuan qi and yuan shen which when unified can then power and transform and create other physical bodies when stored up, etc. In other words at this stage of training your physical body in the end actually dissolves - as your real immortal body is the yuan shen-yuan qi body and in fact it is any yin qi impurities in the original physical body that then limit the immortal body from completing its final immortality. So we could say in a sense that the final training relies on the final death of the physical body anyway - as for example the physical reproductive organs are completely returned into the body and no erection is possible - because all that jing energy has been used up to create the yuan qi-yuan shen body. So the Tibetan monks would feel the body of a dead person to see what part got cold last - if the lower body was still warm that means the spirit left out of the lower body at death which means the person went to hell and if the upper body is still warm that means the person went to heaven. What this means is - this can also be read through the heart-pineal gland information - a person's subconscious yuan qi intention is where their yuan qi-yuan shen is focused in their body and so even though their body is physically alive in fact their yuan qi-yuan shen is already in astral hell and so they are physically living in hell while also alive. We have things turned around to think of the physical dimension as primary but it's more like the tip of the ice berg hiding the reality underneath. Once the connection to immortality is made then there is always a connection to awareness via the heart that then reads the astral intentions of the physical dimension. For example I asked the qigong master if when a person died and their spirit went to heaven - did the spirit have to travel into outerspace? He said - no that in actuality heaven is right here just at a higher frequency. So even though we can physically travel out of our body - the reality in which we travel is actually holographic so that the spatial dimension is found within the dimension of the yuan qi-yuan shen energy of the higher frequency. So for example Ramana Mahashi said after nine years of nirvikalpa samadhi then his physical body died but he maintained this awareness beyond the heart and then the right side of his heart had a shot of electricity that passed to the left side of the heart and it started back up again physically. Now in Taoist Yoga alchemy we know that the right side of the heart is the source of the yuan qi energy and the left side of the heart is the source of the yuan shen. My understanding is that the Emptiness or formless awareness is actually this process of complementary opposites - so Ramana Maharshi said after that experience with each breath he took he transcended his own physical death and his awareness went beyond his heart - through this pinhole into the Self of the whole Universe (again holographically). So Ramana Maharshi said that what happens with most spiritual masters is they get caught up in the astral realms due to the spiritual ego - so they lack sufficient Emptiness focus in their meditation to go beyond the ego or what mahayana buddhism calls the 7th level of consciousness - but in order to Empty out the energy of the universe, the 8th level of consciousness, then the whole body energy must also be emptied out. So Mahayana Buddhism teaches that even for Ramana Maharshi when his physical body was so sick then it would stop his mind from being able to empty out his consciousness with the qi energy or prana - and so his consciousness as yuan shen would still sink back into ignorance. I remember reading of masters in India who would just transfer their consciousness to another physical body in order to continue their training - a kind of spirit possession of another person I think. We know that in Western medical science if the vagus nerve of the left side is over-activated from too much serotonin then this stops the heart - it goes to the right side of the heart - this would cause death but in meditation then there is conscious control of the vagus nerve energy - so that while the physical heart stops it can be restarted again since the mechanism that stopped the heart is actually this impersonal qi-shen energy of the Emptiness itself. So we know from science it is the electrons from food (i.e. glucose) that actually give the qi energy to the heart to keep in pumping - and so all the lower body serotonin is also from the glucose and as it is passed on from the parents to the youth's prime energy at puberty. So it would seem that the physical death of the person meditating would be from a final union into the Emptiness itself instead of the spiritual ego causing the yuan qi to pull the spirit back into the body - from the intention of doing so. It is like a black hole changing into a white hole - the yuan shen manifests through the eyes via the heart but the yuan qi has to be strong enough to hold the yuan shen back, to build up the energy. When we go into the Emptiness - we lose physical awareness just like deep sleep - but since we used our yuan qi to reverse the light, to turn it back to the source - then when the light re-emerges it has the answer to the question that we were searching for. So I think as the original human culture says - there are battles with the spirits of the dead - some more powerful than others - and then there is Emptiness on a cosmic scale - and so it is only the Emptiness itself that guides the solution to the question - the death on a physical level can happen but in a sense meditation de facto is already transcending physical death by relying on an immortal foundation for the activity to take place at all. If and when physical death happens then the ego needs to awaken to the fact that it was the Emptiness that caused the physical death and who the person really is actually is part of the Emptiness - and so not to be afraid of the Emptiness. As the qigong master says the biggest limitation on going into the Emptiness is lack of kidney energy (yuan qi) - and so the key here is to keep building up and storing more yuan qi in the lower tan tien so that the spirit has enough energy to be well-guided in life - physically and astrally. The original human culture calls this the N/om energy in the belly - as the N/om is also the original energy of the universe symbolized by the snake aka the kundalini energy and it is this reptilian vagus nerve that controls the heart - on the right side. So that is the reptilian "frozen with fear" reaction - for mammals it can actually cause physical death - it is a surge of serotonin energy from the lower body into the brain and then via the pineal gland into the left side vagus nerve to the right side of the heart. You mention psychedelics - well with strong DMT-based plant medicine in full lotus - it shoots into the brain like a gun shot is heard and felt and the third eye is cracked open into the astral realm that is holographic and then a loud OHM sound emits from the heart. This is what Master Nan, Huai-chin calls the conversion of jing to chi for the opening of the 2nd chakra. It is just a taste of the potential because that plant medicine is still yin qi energy - it is electrochemical energy like the Crown Chakra Orgasm. It's only after the yin qi energy is built up in the body is there enough qi energy to start having your spirit leave your body for astral travel which is an advanced level of training despite what the New Age community claims. The difference is that a drug or plant is still an external tool - it is not relying on the Emptiness itself as the source of the energy, despite the plant medicine being a teacher. That's why the females in the Amazon can not rely on the plant medicine instead using their jing energy through trance singing which then guides the spirit travel of the male shamans, just as the jing or N/om energy of the female Bushmen guides the spirit travel of the male shamans. O.K. another example is taking the strong plant medicine - Salvia Divinorum - while in full lotus - the third eye qi energy is actually stronger than the electrochemical plant medicine. Salvia is considered the most potent psychotropic per dose and it very easily pulls a person's spirit out of their body - and so a lot of people only take it once. I know two people who have done tons of psychedelics but only took Salvia once since for both of them their spirits got pulled out of their body and into the floor as a lower astral realm. But for me the full lotus third eye electromagnetic qi was too strong and so my spirit got pulled only half way out of my body. So for a while I had two consciousness - one in my brain and the other half out of my body and I was aware of both at the same time. The qigong masters can do this at will - do long distance healing while at the same time be aware of their direct physical body. This is just another level of Emptiness training. Like with the yogi who could levitate but as soon as he was aware he levitated then his body fell back to the floor - so he had to train his consciousness to maintain itself while going into the Emptiness deep enough to levitate his body. And so the similar training is done to transcend physical death also. I would say then that the Yuan Shen is the "eternal nature" as formless awareness - it is yin as the Emptiness or Boddhisattva - but it is only when unified with the Yuan Qi is there then a harmonizing of the spiritual ego with the Yuan Shen that can go beyond physical death if it is trained to a deep enough level of unity - beyond the heart stopping. I suppose there could be an imbalance of either Yuan Shen or Yuan Qi to cause physical death that could not then be restarted again. The harmonization would mean an ability to reverse the intention of the energy at that level of physicality. Qigong master Yan Xin makes this point about intentionality - he says it is bidirectional - so that if you did something through meditation energy then you should be able to reverse it through reversing the direction of the qi energy. He gives the example of when a car broke down that he was in - and so he brought down energy from the power line above them into the car - to restart the car. He brought down too much energy and so the car started smoking - and so then he had to reverse his intention of bringing down the energy of the power line. Then the car was o.k. and running again. It would seem a lot of this has to do with timing. For example the qigong master shared with me how a person had died - they were a long ways away - but even still he tried to bring her back but her spirit had already broken ties to the body - or at least he said it was too late to do so. Whereas he has also said it is much easier to heal people when they are asleep because then their mind doesn't get in the way of the healing - which indicates the mind as the person's qi intention reversing the healing he is doing. He said how he was healing a dog and the dog was very wise because the dog would leave her body - spirit travel out of her body - so that the qigong master could just focus on healing the dog's physical energy without her getting in the way. Then after she did permanently leave her body the spirit of the dog hung out with the qigong master for several days and they played together. Yeah so I would say it is very possible to physically die and it's a matter of training not to do so - on the other hand the training itself is predicated on transcending physical death inherently. So we could say that the energy will always be transforming into even new physical forms - the energy itself can never die as it is immortal - but the physical form it takes will transform and whether into the good or not depends on the level of harmonization with the Yuan Qi source, as the intention of Yuan Shen Emptiness itself. This unification of Spirit-Vitality is stored and built up in the lower tan tien, the Cavity of Spirit-Vitality.

The reason this happens more strongly around young attractive females is because they have stronger yin jing energy and so they are going to more strongly suck up your yang jing or yin qi energy. Whereas older females do not have that strength - that's why males like younger females - the only problem is male pervs are taking the energy of the females whereas through celibacy you are giving your yang jing (yin qi) energy to the females. So you being celibate by storing up your ying jing and converting it to yang jing (yin qi) is what makes you attractive to the females. The heat is caused by your yin qi being deconverted to yin jing energy - so the yin jing is blissful heat - the yin qi is the vibrating or internal tingling energy. If you successfully build up your yin qi energy then your yang qi kicks in as the yuan qi is being replenished - this is the unconditional love energy - this is beyond any emotion - it's an action as strong qi energy or strong electromagnetic energy. At that stage you achieve Emptiness as nirvikalpa samadhi - so you can sit in full lotus in ease for 2 hours nonstop - you should feel strong electromagnetic force between the palms of your hands pushing them apart, you should be able to emit qi out of the hands using the sword fingers. So the reason it is very rare for males to build up their energy is exactly what you describe - you sit and meditate in a room full of females! But Western Buddhism tries to be based on symmetric logic of equality - ignoring the inherent complementary opposites of energy dynamics that is detailed so well in Taoist training. So yeah the Quick Fire breathing is the fast deep breathing from knees bent - horse stance - which activates the kidney energy and then sublimates and converts the generative fluid back into yin jing energy - blissful heat. Then the Emptiness focus will purify it more into yin qi energy which then creates more yuan qi of the pineal gland and that in turn increases yuan shen and yuan jing energy. So yeah I have females that are attractive that like to flirt with me and the qigong master says he just does not do the flirting thing at all. So just reread what I wrote. I tend to feel sorry for females because they are dependent on the male yin qi or yang jing energy - because females are not focused on spirituality as much in modern times in my experience. Because females are yang internally - if they do choose to do the qigong training then they get success very fast because they can build up their yin jing energy into yin qi that is strong and increase that yin qi to really activate the yang qi. But for males it is key - even any kind of eye contact with females will automatically cause your heart to flutter - the yin qi shoots out of the eyes along with the yuan shen that shoots out of the eyes. The younger you are the faster your results in meditation because you should have stronger yuan qi - but like for me I had so many females chasing after me that I just began feeding their energy desires and so I burned off my yuan qi energy. Now it is very easy for my yin qi to go out of my eyes. So you have to focus on the lower tan tien - visualize the fire there so that if the fire is UNDER the water - that prevents the heart's fire from rising up and out of the eyes. That is the fundamental secret of alchemy training - it's called Green Dragon because you use the wisdom of the liver energy to feed the kidney water energy - and the dragon is normally the heart's fire as yin qi energy but you create the Cavity of the Dragon as the lower tan tien. So the lungs are metal as the organ of passion - so if you keep losing yin qi energy then the lungs become the main blockage as heart break sadness. But if you have True Intention then the spleen/pancreas energy causes the kidney energy to feed the lung qi as alchemical steam - or White Tiger. As I detailed above this creates the ambrosia or alchemical salvia - via the small universe circuit of energy. So that is called the copulation of Tiger and Dragon. So as the celibacy energy builds up then more females will be attracted to you - and so it is that much more challenging to build up the yin qi energy. The female's voice then projects her yin jing energy and this is what then deconverts your yin qi (yang jing) back into yin jing (the blissful romantic love heat feeling) and then at night it goes into generative fluid as emission. The reason this happens at night is because your yuan shen goes out of the eyes during the day while the eyes are open but at night in sleep the yuan shen goes down to the liver - and so if you have any subconscious interactions with females via the yuan shen going out of your eyes during the day - that lowers the frequency of the yin qi as the heart's fire - but it gets sent to the liver which then deconverts the kidney energy from yin qi back into generative fluid - while you are asleep. So then you have to control the dreams also. The fastest way to do this - is horse stance with thighs parallel to the ground - to active the Quick Fire breathing - deep fast reverse breathing - and so that will convert the generative fluid back into yin jing energy and then again more Emptiness meditation. Full lotus with eyes closed is a perfect balance of Emptiness meditation - as a balance of Movement and Stillness - the pressure on the legs activates movement of energy, similar to standing with knees bent. So full lotus should be done on a more solid surface - so there is more pressure on the nerves. But the lustful intentions of others then works through the pernineum channel - so you can take in yin jing energy through your pernineum or other people can take energy out of your pernineum. This is why the anal flexing is key to connect the front and back channels and it also flexes the pernineum to stop people from taking your energy when they lust after you. The main problem here is people don't know what is good for them so they are dependent on lust - we live in an instant gratification culture and so if someone is attracted to someone else then they want to "buy" and "consume" that person's energy for enjoyment. And then it seems inherently wrong in our consumer culture to deny people that right - for them to - what's the word the Marines use? EARN - what they think is rightfully there's because they are attracted to it. And so people get anger if they don't get their lust satisfied - and this is what the exorcism is because the liver energy is being sublimated against their will by you not feeding their lust energy. Liver energy can feed the heart energy as Green Dragon energy - or it can be turned back into generative fluid. Most people eat food and then it gets turned into generative fluid. I don't have an answer for this problem - the original training had the males train in seclusion - away from the females. Then monasteries developed - but again now adays in the New Age Western meditation scene this issue of male/female energy interaction is just ignored for the most part - when in fact it is very much a real issue. Even the Buddhist monasteries are often controlled by the secular communities and so they monks don't get a chance to really focus their energy in seclusion meditation. But at least recognizing the problem is a first step. I would say having people respect your energy boundaries is the second step. If you choose to do your own thing and focus on the Emptiness - that should be your own choice. But people get mad and want to demand your energy - or at least this is my experience. People don't understand that this is a transformation process to a stronger better healing energy - since people are too materialistic to understand alchemy training - and so in no way could perceive the benefits of meditation, celibacy, etc. Yeah Gary Clyman talks about this energy boundary respect issue quite a bit in his Qigong Bible pdf that he made available online - basically saying how this is a crucial step in the beginning of the training and how he avoided females for his first 2 years of training.

You need to study the book "Taoist YOga: Alchemy and Immortality" which is all about how the celibacy training is key to building up the qi energy and so you have to be very careful with female interactions. So what you are experiencing is that the females are attracted to your yin qi energy - and even for the qigong masters - if you look at females it activates what's called "heart's fire" which means the yin qi energy goes up and out of the eyes - via your yuan shen heart spirit energy. So when you have any lust thoughts it causes the yuan qi energy to be lost - by it shooting down the spine via the pineal gland and turning your Ocean of Qi below the lower tan tien into generative fluid. So you have to do more standing exercise with knees bent as the first energy that has to be built up is the Yin Heel channel which then builds into the Conception Vessel or Ocean of Qi. This is from the increased parasympathetic nervous energy - so male ejaculation causes a switch to the stress cortisol system and that's why the parasympathetic energy can not be built up. Really the love feeling you have is just your yin qi moving from out of your heart - but this yin qi has to be turned into White Tiger energy - which means deeper lung breathing through more meditation on Emptiness causing your Yuan Qi of the pineal gland to increase the Yuan Shen of the heart. This increased energy then flows out of the cerebrospinal fluid in the brain - down through the sinus cavity. With the tongue against the roof of the mouth the salvia as cerebrospinal fluid is then enfused with the united yuan shen-yuan qi which then when swallowed it is absorbed through the stomach to create the lower tan tien. ONly if you are focusing on the Emptiness do you then convert your Ocean of Qi - the Conception Vessel - into the Lower Tan Tien to store up this unified Yuan Shen-Yuan Qi energy. The easiest way to lose energy is through this nocturnal emission from the romantic passion during the day - caused by you looking at females or various interactions like this - females looking at you or the sound of their voice used to suck up your yin qi energy. The yin qi energy that you are building up is the same reason that females are yang internally because you are activating their vagus nerve connected to their cervix and when they climax this is from your yang jing (yin qi) energy - your male energy - activating their vagus nerve. So you need to do the same internally - instead of giving that energy to females you have to build it up in your Conception Vessel - the Ocean of Qi - only through Emptiness meditation. By the way this is also why females are opposite energy - like males put the left hand closer to the lower tan tien - facing the lower tan tien while putting the right hand on the outside - this is because the right hand is the yuan qi and so the yuan qi seals in the yuan shen energy of the left hand. So another key is to make sure you are properly sublimating the yin jing energy - so whenever you feel attracted to a female or have thoughts about this then what I do is the same as putting the tongue against the roof of the mouth - but instead it is the Lower Magpie Bridge - you flex the anus. Flexing the anus connects the front and back channels so that your jing energy properly sublimates into the cerebral spinal fluid. So also when you stand with knees bent that will flex the perineum and anus while relaxing the prostate - and this will naturally sublimate the energy by activating the Quick Fire breathing. As Taoist YOga and its source book the HuaMingChing emphasize - ONLY Quick Fire Breathing has the power to convert the generative fluid back into yin jing energy. And then only the Emptiness meditation has the power to convert the yin jing energy into yang jing or yin qi energy. Then you have to keep building up the yin qi to activate the yang qi as yuan qi energy. So another key when focusing on the heart - is the right side of the heart is the source of the yuan qi energy. So the leg vibrating reaction is literally from your yin qi energy getting activated by it being sucked up by the females. A lot of females and pervs are experts at vibrating their legs to suck up other people's yin qi energy. So it is just an opposite reaction - for the male pervs when they get their yin qi energy built up their bad intentions immediately deconvert that yin qi back into yin jing which is then converted into generative fluid and they have to go ejaculation. For the females you are converting their yin jing into yin qi energy - but by doing so you are losing your yuan qi energy and deconverting it into yin qi energy - and so while it seems like you are helping the females in fact this romantic love is a lower level of love energy. The Unconditional Love is the yuan qi energy - not the yin qi energy of romantic love. So for me I get this internal tingling all the time when my yin qi energy goes out of my eyes - via my pineal gland. I also get this from sugar because it creates free radicals which feeds the bacteria and the yin qi energy is then neutralizing it - so internal tingling. But you say you are afraid to have lust - indeed afraid because this loss of yin qi energy causes fear. But if you are focusing internally like with the legs bent doing active exercises when the legs vibrate you can build up your energy. So for example you talk about love but in fact when you feel this love it is actually from your lose of yin qi energy! So then what happens if you keep feeding this romantic love feeling? You get heart break from loss of yin qi energy and then your legs will really be vibrating. A person can actually die from strong heart break - this is a medical syndrome - it's caused by over activation of the serotonin energy of the vagus nerve - the left vagus nerve to the right side of the heart. So the legs vibration is just like a person when afraid and the legs vibrate - this is actually a stress reaction that then causes an extreme opposite rebound into the parasympathetic energy. So for example if a person blushes when they hear something that is really personal and about sex usually but like shameful sex - this blushing is the same as the legs vibration - both are an extreme stress reaction that then instantly causes an extreme serotonin vagus nerve reaction as the opposite extreme. So if you keep your tongue against the roof of your mouth - that activates the vagus nerve which causes saliva to flow down - and if you have Emptiness focus then that saliva has the yuan qi energy with the yuan shen infused. If you keep losing your yuan qi energy then the yuan qi can no longer hold in your yin qi that is going up the front of your body and out of your eyes. It is the yuan qi that holds in that yin qi and instead brings the yin qi energy up the back of the body to then convert and build up the yin qi into more yuan qi which then increases your yuan shen energy. I am speaking from experience about all of the above.

Fear is a lower emotional kidney weakness - it can be caused easily by too much caffeine that drains the kidneys or watching scary movies which causes too much dopamine cortisol stress that also drains the kidneys. The original qigong master says to not watch scary movies at night before sleep - because you want strong melatonin before sleep not strong dopamine. I have seen ghosts - but those paranormal t.v. shows are really feeding fear - people like scary stuff since it activates the lower energy - as seduction also - to seduce someone a lot of people reduce a person's will power first by making them afraid. Then people associate this fear with seduction and so they are conditioned to like scary stuff. I mean sometimes scary stuff is fun if it is just playing but that depends on the good intentions of the person playing. So to increase kidney energy you can eat food stronger in cholesterol like eggs (preferably organic or even better grass-fed) and fatty meat like sausage or black beans if you're vegetarian with olive oil. Also if you can practice full lotus meditation or tai chi standing active exercises with knees bent that builds up the kidney energy stronger. Try this one: So the thing is that when your legs are vibrating from your knees bent - this causes an extreme sympathetic nervous system reaction which rebounds to the opposite parasympathetic extreme. This is why someone who has a very strong stressful or scary experience will then "get the shit scared out of them" as the saying goes - it's literally from the above reaction I described. You stand with your knees bent and you will get the fear scared out of you! The legs will vibrate 7 times a section and then your nervous system will rebound to the opposite extreme of relaxation - and this causes a flood of serotonin which then makes you colon go into peristalsis. This is so that the animals is lighter so the animal can run faster to flee the predator. So fear has that adaptive value. If your personal qi energy is stronger than these lower emotional blockages then any spirits can't feed off your energy. It's only if a person's energy is weak that they are susceptible to being fed off. For example Master Ni, Hua-ching talks about "ghost pollution" as a real problem in the cities and the original qigong master says he needs to clear out rooms of ghosts and sometimes it takes a few different visits to the room. But the thing is that unless a person has weak energy then the ghosts are not gonna feed off you. Master Ni, Hua-ching says the key is to not sleep on your back because if you sleep on your back then the ghosts can suck off your lower body energy - this is known in the West as the succubi or incubus at night causing nocturnal emission as loss of kidney energy. Also any kind of lust thoughts causes loss of kidney energy - and so in a way modern society is actually based on this ghost pollution - that's why the indigenous cultures in north america considered the white people to be like living ghosts - since the modern western mind-set is controlled by this ghost pollution mentality. Yeah I have watched that new cable show on paranormal stuff - I've seen most of those shows, there's tons of them. It's basically horror genre stuff - and so they do like exorcism rituals to cleanse the houses. You can do prayers like, Psalms 14 - I think it is about the valley of death. "I fear no evil, They rod and they staff they comfort me." I had to memorize that pray for confirmation bible class. http://biblehub.com/psalms/23-4.htm Yeah Psalms 23. The Lord is my shepherd. You have anointed my head with oil; My cup overflows.… That phrase is actually a secret tantra reference to the jing energy - again if you build up your jing energy through celibacy then you have stronger will power. yeah chapter one of my pdf book is called: Chapter One: The Modern Mentality Creates the Ghost People Another example of the Ghost People being exposed is In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction by Gabor Mate, M.D. Mate emphasizes the lack of rituals into adulthood so that modern males are now in the midst of autism, addiction and attention deficit hyperactivity disorders. So Ghost People in southeast ASian tradition are caused for example by starving to death - it is again when the jing energy is weak - the kidney energy and so then lower emotions take control of the mind. For example in Buddhist cultures if a person expresses a desire for something of another person then it's considered advantageous to offer the desired object to the person who desires it. Why? Because this desire for material possession as an attachment is like an evil spell cast onto the other person – a lower emotional blockage that should be exorcised. It's similar to the rule of not “coveting” thy neighbor's possessions – the Biblical commandment implying sexual desire as adultery – only the response is radically the opposite. Just give up the desired object and be free of the evil spell. In Western Asia the equivalent is the “Evil Eye” spell which is most commonly attributed to envy. Similarly in America the Indian leaders maintained their position of authority by immediately distributing to the rest of the tribe any extra material possessions they had acquired. In other words these are cultures, traditionally, of spiritual asceticism.

Karl - I'm sorry I didn't realize at first that you're a greater spiritual master than Ramana Maharshi! haha. This claim by you is truly a wrong understanding of nondualism. Formless awareness is what everything else exists within - and so it's not dependent on any physical body. But still this is the whole problem with the nondualism philosophy - it is so easily co-opted and misunderstood as some conceptual mind game. I've met several people like this - the white male meditation dudes - one guy his sister was a student of Poonjaji - directly in India - but then he got so convinced of his nondual enlightened state - a stuck conceptual realm as you are in - that his other sister declared the dude to be schizophrenic and so he was put into a state residential building and put on psychotropics. Last time I saw him - he said the drugs really didn't affect him and he would go hang out in the same hippy bohemian burn out joints that he'd been in previously. Anyway another white male meditation dude in that same scene told he how he had gone a whole day without thinking - just walking around. I didn't point out to him that as Master Nan, Hui-chin says - to think you are not thinking is itself just another concept about not-thinking. So Vivekananda stated that Jnana yoga - the mind yoga of vichara as nondualism - is the highest and hardest level of yoga. Yet the Western white male enlightenment scene is so egotistical this most difficult path is turned around into some mind trip conceptual game. Ramana Maharshi emphasized that repeating the I-thought is not some route repetition practice as you have mislabeled it - instead repeating the I-thought is an investigation to its source and so as progress is made then the space between thoughts does increase. Poonjaji stated this clearly - that the first step of nondualism is to focus on this space between thoughts. As for formless awareness being dependent on a physical body - as you have stated - that goes against Ramana Maharshi saying that even the whole physical universe is an illusion since it is temporary while only formless awareness remains. Again nondualism as a philosophy makes this very unclear due to the symmetric dualistic structure of phonetic language. In actuality the formless awareness as Emptiness is the eternal process of resonance of complementary opposite energies. So as for deep dreamless sleep - to be aware of that state is to see the light that emanates from the heart - but this state is achieved in nirvikalpa samadhi which is the first stage of real vichara investigation. Again nirvikalpa samadhi is an advanced meditation state - the body's qi or prana channels all have to be open to achieve it. That's why full lotus is a great test of the progress in your meditation. Yes even if mind meditation is advocated - the body's channels should open as a sign of the progress of mind meditation. So yeah I realize you are beyond all this gobly gook of thousands of years of yoga meditation tradition in India - you've found the new white male Westernized Neo-advaita path of instant conceptual enlightenment. haha. No one can shake you from the real truth you live in. Congratulations!

This isn't true - humans can function without conscious awareness - I have given examples already of Poonjaji creating other physical bodies - bilocation - without knowing he was doing so - or the college of Phra Achra Mun in Thailand - levitating without knowing he was doing so. As soon as he became consciously aware he was levitating then his body dropped back down to the floor. So there is "direct perception" as it's called in yoga - it is psychic knowledge and this is done with the ego through the pineal gland. The pineal gland transduces qi information or qi-shen information and then turns that information into conscious awareness - or into the manifestation of qi energy in the body. The mind in the yoga tradition is Menes as in menstruation - the lunar psychic energy. The real spiritual energy is the formless awareness as the source of light - I call it the spacetime vortex. But the irony again is that a person can manifest abilities from the spiritual source without being aware they are doing so. So the question raised in the OP is can a person be aware of their spiritual abilities - without it being a psychic ego trip - the difference between shakti as spiritual abilities and siddhis as direct perception of the mind. Now realize that neither of these things are left-brain conceptual awareness. For example when I practiced tantra I could read a book while in full lotus and at the same time being having mutual climaxes with females - at a distance. So my left brain conceptual awareness was reading the book while my pineal gland and right brain direct perception was having mutual climaxes with females. Now the two were mutually complementary in that the climaxes cleared out lower emotional negative blockages that otherwise could hinder mental focus. To have a strong mental focus for speed reading your mind can not be "possessed" by lower emotional blockages - which is to say to have a thought circling in the head based on an emotional blockage of anger, fear, sadness. that is what makes tantra different is because lust is a lower emotional blockage and so obviously in a psychic mutual climax there is that thought of desire but since it is an internal climax it actually reduces stress instead of increasing stress which is the ultimate effect of ejaculation. But in nonduality training instead of consciously sublimating sexual energy - the person represses the sexuality - and indeed represses all conceptual thought of the lower emotions - represses it by logically inferring it's all based on the I-thought and so just the I-thought should be focused on. This is called the "direct path" because you turn the left-brain conceptual thought around to its source - so you still have left-brain focus but the only conceptual thought is the only self-transcending conceptual thought - the I-thought itself. The I- thought has no signifier and does not signify anything - and so it is the key to transcend the dualistic structure of phonetic-based language. It's just that advaita nondualism does not define this in terms of complementary opposites, instead it's taught that the I-I awareness rises out of the right side of the heart. This I-I is then the embodiment of infinity as formless awareness - a contained symmetrically logic of infinity - a tautological structure. Whereas say for Milarepa when he was in deep samadhi then his energy was increased or fed by the cosmic goddesses - the dakinis - so it was still a tantric relationship - and we could say that formless awareness itself is a female source of infinity - and so the complementary opposite dynamics are preserved to the end. I call this the female formless awareness or in Taoism - the Emptiness is the Wu Chi - the mystery of the valley - that is again this secret right side of the heart. The key here is that even the yuan shen visions of the astral realm are not the goal of this training - nor is using the energy by the mind but in reality since the yuan qi is the focus as the goal of the path - then this energy will overflow and affect reality as much as other people also tune into it. And so someone like Nisargadatta - I do not trust his training at all. Poonjaji said that Nisargadatta had the correct philosophy but he did not manifest any shakti energy - the same with Krishnamurti. So while Nisaragadatta may have had some results in his training - if he had really achieved the sahaja samadhi state then the shakti energy would have manifested naturally. The thing that has to be realized is that the mind is very weak on its own - that is why the kundalini energy is necessary and so the body has to be purified. Otherwise the mind will just stay in the conceptual realm - only when the qi energy is built up does the mind have the power to really stay focused. And so we can say that the mind - the spiritual ego also includes the astral realms and the yuan shen energy - and for it to have power - for it to manifest shaktis - then that yuan shen spirit light has to return to its source in the Yuan Qi energy - and this recharges the yuan shen - it actually increases the light energy. that process will manifest shakti in such a way that it will inherently heal and balance blockages because it resonates from the source of reality. It doesn't matter if the mind had the intention of healing or not - all that is needed is the intention to go into the Emptiness and when in the Emptiness the mind is not aware of what takes place but when out of the Emptiness the mind is made aware and the answer is given and the healing occurs. The unified triad is then never an isolated consideration - is it the ego doing it? There is no escape from the mind in the sense that the Emptiness will manifest into the spiritual light as mental insight or prajna - even though it is still not conceptual consciousness or words in the head. By the time of words in the head then it is the yuan jing energy - the physical energy - or as the unified triad - the tamas, rajas and sattva. In other words - these are temporary states of energy but yet they will eternally cycle as complementary opposites, as long as the Emptiness is maintained as the intentional focus of the practice.

Actually Karl I'm glad you have detailed what you think is nondualism because I think this is exactly the white male Western enlightenment problem in the meditation scene. Ramana Maharshi says that the first stage of practice is mental concentration, to repeat I-I-I over and over not as a mantra but as mental concentration. So but he says that it just the first stage of practice and in actuality you focus on the source of the light - and he said if you focus physically it is on the right side of the heart - even though nondualism is beyond physicality - so he calls the right side of the heart the pinpoint into formless awareness or the Self. The thing is that this exactly corroborates Taoist Yoga: alchemy and immortality which states that the right side of the heart is the source of the Yuan Qi. So the connection to the heart is actually best achieved by the focus on the feeling of compassion, kindness, happiness. But to see the light internally means that the yin qi has been built up enough to increase the yuan qi which then increases the yuan shen, that originates on the left side of the heart. So mental rumination is a left-brain dominant conceptual exercise - it is not even real meditation which first starts with mental concentration and then goes into light visualization as samadhi. But the focus is on the source of that light through the Yuan Qi which can not be seen but is felt as awareness that guides the energy. The problem is the western male enlightenment scene turns advaita vedanta into what is called neo-advaita - which is just a kind of self-affirmation practice - it is not even real meditation - but it's very easy for Westerners to turn meditation into a psychological therapy kind of thing. Master Ni, Hui-ching talks about this problem in the West also - but even in Japan this happened with Zen as Master Nan, Huai-chin points out. I have this problem also - because the mind rebounds into opposite extremes - so just a bit of enlightenment experience then rebounds the brain into vast left-brain conceptualizations. It's very easy for people to dream up vast conceptual schemas - as Yogananda says the white man gets a taste of enlightenment and then has to write a book about it. But in reality that is only just the beginning of meditation. As Vivekananda states Nirvikalpa samadhi is just the beginning of meditation but in fact most people never even reach it. Or as in Taoism - to get to the Emptiness you need to first fill the lower tan tien with yin qi energy and so you do see light but only when light is seen externally are you then tapping into the nondualist reality. So that is a good physical measuring - seeing light externally means you have enough third eye heart activation to create enough yuan qi - yuan shen energy so that the light travels outside the skull. But in actuality even this experience can just be the yin qi energy that is connected to the yuan shen - what's called the "heart's fire" - in Taoism. So that energy has to be stored up continuously - and that is the downfall of tantra is that it reverses this storing up process. The yuan qi is used up and turned back into yin qi which then travels out of the skull via the pineal gland - and so it creates a Ghost Immortal which as I said is also a type of nondualism - it's just a low level, considered the wrong path or a big mistake in the training. So yeah I made that mistake - which as I said is a mistake in tantra practice which is dangerous but also very fast in results.

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I agree with the OP but then he did refer to Shankara nondualism. All my rants were focused on other types of nondualism - what I call sound-current nondualism - but I don't think these are really "other" types - I mean I do think that the Shankara methodology works - or as taught by Ramana Maharshi - the vichara of self-enquiry. I'm just saying in that traditional advaita vedanta teaching Shankara did insist on the practitioner being a Brahmin monk renunciate and I did find a book of Brahmin priest rules saying that there had to be a 3 day purification if even eye contact was made with a female. I highly doubt that strict standard is followed nowadays by Brahmin priests as monks practicing advaita - but for example Ramana Maharshi practiced nonstop for 9 years in samadhi - and even refused to see his mom. So yeah there are other means - I would say any successful spiritual practice is gonna hit the Emptiness as Oneness or nonduality reality - through nirvikalpa samadhi in the yoga tradition - or as I read in the Theraveda tradition it's called "Achievement of Cessation" from a week long fast in samdahi, much the same as achieved in Taoist training. But for the original human culture - this training focused on the males in puberty fasting for a month doing trance dancing - in solitude from the females. So yeah - that was the nondual training from 70,000 BCe up to today - and indeed the civilized spiritual traditions did begin developing 10,000 years ago - and I realize that is what most people focus on while ignoring most of what happened before say 2000 years go - and so we have what - 68,000 years neglected. Do the math - the original human culture represents the longest and most successful nonduality training - it was required for all the males, not just a certain elite group. So yeah there are other traditions to be sure. I'm not even saying don't practice advaita vedanta but just be aware of its context - for a person to really be successful it was required to be vegetarian, to have very strict solitude from females, and other caste-based cleansing practices, and again the DNA evidence documents these castes were rigid starting 2000 years ago - and also these castes are more white skin based with a West Asian origin for the upper castes - the Brahmin castes. So yeah there's other nondualism philosophies - but nondualism as a term is really a product of phonetic language philosophy with an inherent symmetric structure that is dualistic - and so the philosophy is very paradoxical because the means to practice it are within a context that goes against real nondualism. People don't want to have to deal with that - but it is inescapable - the material world is difficult to escape. Indeed to be very spiritual requires pretty much full-time commitment - and purification practices. Most people need to work and be surrounded by other people who could care less about spiritual training. haha. On the contrary most people are fixated on the opposite of spiritual training and so to train in that environment is very much the opposite of what advaita vedanta required. It is a mind yoga meditation practice - the other types of nondualism are different methodologies - and arguably again any successful meditation practice is really nondualism but that kind of waters down the original use of the term and the context in which is it presented. I'm just saying that context has been redefined in light of the new DNA analysis - and I guess my own analysis on the limitations of symmetric math tied to phonetic language, which is the context that nondualism is taught. It's a great teaching to be sure - it just needs to be understood within its limited context. I would say spiritual training as a whole should be understood within the context of the practical terms in which it can be pursued. For example I was reading a Hugh B. Urban analysis - saying how for the Vivekananda society most people could not afford to join - it was too expensive but there was probably some other issues involved. Anyway so the more poor people who wanted to join were forced instead to practice tantra which was not as pure and therefore not as successful. I realize tantra is a loaded term with many different meanings - but I'm also taking from experience in regards to tantra. At some point in the training it has to transition into the more traditional focus of nondualism. Yeah as I typed this I actually found a pdf of Hugh B. Urban's Tantra book - 2003 edition. He's got a few tantra books. Anyway as I referred to him earlier in the thread he says how nondualism is the ultimate commodity fetish now - I think this is true for late-capitalism. It's a great irony - we should not be afraid of the paradoxes involved in that tradition. My position is music - very basic music - is what unifies humanity and there is a nondualism aspect to sound - and I think studying this via Ramana Maharshi has been a personal fascination for me. So he dismisses Nada Yoga as a nondual practice because he says it just creates a dull trance and the person loses the will power to continue going into the nondual state - to push the Nirvikalpa samadhi even farther. The thing is that what Ramana Maharshi says may be true regarding the ordinary approach to sound but then Ramana Maharshi says that Mouna Samadhi is the highest level of samadhi - literally silence samadhi based on an internal listening process.

Theism for the Masses, Non-Dualism for the Monastic Elite: A Fresh Look at Sankara's Trans-Theistic Spirituality http://www.academia.edu/3646363/Theism_for_the_Masses_Non-Dualism_for_the_Monastic_Elite_A_Fresh_Look_at_Sankaras_Trans-Theistic_Spirituality Only a Brahmin renunciate can properly practice advaita nondualism. And it's based on the strict caste system - Nelson exposes the details. DNA evidence corroborates this.

http://www.livescience.com/38751-genetic-study-reveals-caste-system-origins.html

said white hate monger scientist....

and yep thanks for twisting my words around. haha. Hilarious!!! The question is are people willing to see the direct connection between British colonialism and the Brahmin caste system? Obviously British colonialism was genocidal - and indeed the current imperial policies toward India are genocidal - like the export of grains to Europe to feed cows in Europe at the expense of the starving poor in India. Or the British colonists putting in canals that causes epidemic plagues from the fetid water. Or the British colonists pushing rice exports over the traditional harvests in Bengal - again creating famine. The famines from the British in India were among the worst in the world. https://www.nytimes.com/books/01/02/18/reviews/010218.18senlt.html yeah but the issue of this thread is nondualism philosophy. Nondualism philosophy is the foundation of Western civilization which of course includes British colonialism. the key here is to cut out the rotten root - to get at the origin of the problem. It's not even in India - the origin is the "symbolic revolution" in Western Asia - but it was exported to India. I have already demonstrated that with the new DNA science. But it's much easier to just twist my words around - and then duck and run from the evidence. haha. http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/archive/index.php/t-11285.html Wasn't even aware of these terms "creamy layer" ? http://cyberbrahma.com/do-brahmins-still-belong-to-an-upper-caste/ Oh I get it - so there is a brahmin movement against this so-called anti-creamy layer reverse discrimination.