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The Effect of Drugs and other Substances on our Spiritual Training!
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This is both a question and a topic of debate in which I invite the rest of the Daobums; Do you think the use of herbs, liquors, and other forms of drugs/narcotics are dangerous to our spirituality or do you believe it could aid it by providing a peculiar and unique point of view you wouldn't see otherwise? -
Hey this will be a series of critical thinking question's I will be asking out of curiosity to the human condition. Our first subject will be: Human Nature Is human nature constant or is it molded by culture? Can human nature be completely changed by culture or society? -Lousy Lao Tzu
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The Effect of Drugs and other Substances on our Spiritual Training!
LousyLaoTzu replied to LousyLaoTzu's topic in Daoist Discussion
It's interesting to see so many takes on philosophy, spirituality, hygiene (qigong, martial arts, mediation, etc) and the like. -
Ni hao, Dao Bum, my story is a simple one but one I have never attempted to form into words. I was always into the martial arts, this proved a soft entrance to the Eastern spiritual traditions and forms of internal cultivation. Through meditation, qigong, tai chi and study within Mandarin, I found myself constantly staring into the eyes of Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism. I picked up a book from Barnes & Nobles that was a five book volume of the Chinese classics, which had a book from each school of thought. Lao Tzu's "Tao Te Ching" (Dao De Jing), was the one that rang so clearly to me despite it's mysterious and often purposely confusing style of writing. It's a format that allowed me to find what I needed throughout various points in my life, the Tao Te Ching was a book of sage advice. However my thirst for more Taoist knowledge had only just begun. I began to read more and more, with each book, a new outlook on life and how to find my inner nature and become like the "uncarved block" (p'u). I delved deep into my studies; finding myself during the Spring and Autumn period history and writing's about Taoist philosophy and as far as modern Taoist sorcery, alchemy, divination, immortality, etc. They each provided an inkling into the mind of the Taoist throughout the many years. With peaceful hermit's like Lao Tzu, to radical extremist like the Yellow Turban Rebellion founder Jiang Jiao, Emperor's fearful of death that set out mass maritime expedition's in search of both an Island of Blest (where the "enlightened man or chen jen resided") and a mushroom of immorality. I've read the stories of the 8- Immortals and how they acted as saint like figures within Chinese History, I've read adaptations of the Taoist thought into modern life and living. Learned how the "Three Teachings" intermingled and their ideologies borrowed from one another. I am here strictly to exchange information and learn information about Taoism and the Three Teachings. Xie xie, zaijian, Lousy Lao Tzu
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Your wit simply has to be appreciated. -Lousy Lao Tzu
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Hahahahahaah, we're all gods within the macroism of the universe. The same being said that we're all specks of dust in the grand scale of the cosmos.
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Haha, someone must ask such questions! I'm curious to hear everyone's answers.
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Taoist Novice's Deep Question of the Day: What are the best and worst parts of human nature?
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We're all apart of the Three Teachings. Similar in design and thought. When Buddhism was first introduced in China they all assumed it just some foreign kind of Taoism due to their similarities.
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Taoist Novice's Deep Question of the Day: Are humans better at creation or destruction?
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Simple thing to assume our path and another to know it for certain. I won't presume to know which is which. You've obviously the heart and the will for such things but something holds you back. If I ever find such a place, it will be subtle, free and used as a format for training, learning and study. Money is ideology of greed, which I don't believe we require, so all would be welcome regardless of their financial station. Take this "what if" and know you'll always be welcome.
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What is then stopping you or any other like minded individuals to seek out the monastic life without the complications of it's modern form. A temple, a band of us all together with the focus of being one with the Tao and finding our inner nature. I for would would put all of my resources into such an endeavour.
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Xie xie, Dao de Qi! I consider myself a form of Taoist scholar, with an appreciation of its take on physical hygiene, internal alchemy and philosophy. - Lousy Lao Tzu
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The Effect of Drugs and other Substances on our Spiritual Training!
LousyLaoTzu replied to LousyLaoTzu's topic in Daoist Discussion
@Orion, thank you so much for sharing that detailed, intriguing and overwhelmingly beautiful story. Since posting this thread I've listened to everyone's thoughts and opinions and found that I agree. I have stopped smoking pot as much, found the same level of relaxation affter a cup of tea and a mere 10-15 minutes of meditation. Thank you all very much. All of you are greatly appreciated.- 54 replies
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Amitoufu, brother. Brilliantly said and thank you for your insight. Interesting that you used the new born baby analogy, this is often the same, motif used by the Internal Alchemical school of Taoism. Even Lao Tzu, uses this motif when talking about the "uncarved block (p'u) ". A new born baby is a perfect example of an unbias, contented, and pure human nature through non-conforming means. The baby has strong chi and can scream all day long and his voice never get tired. The baby has strong jing and can get an erection having not known the union between man and woman. Most importantly , the baby has strong shen and is closest to the Tao (or dharma) by being so spirituality pure and one with itself. I might have just been rambling, sorry.
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Very, very well said. Thank you brother.
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Tomorrow I will post another or simply add it here, I am uncertain. Human nature seems constant in its conditioned response to culture. In the earliest civilization's culture directed morality and governed it's people. In a time before civilization, human nature was directed by survival and continuing it's legacy through offspring. One could say that that is human nature even today but I feel that would be a prudent thought. Humanity is but an animal capable of deep thought, which enables our biggest fault, ego. Ego which differs from culture to culture. Human nature has and will constantly be in state of flux. It cannot be constant for our environment is never constant. So my humble belief is that human nature can be completely changed by both culture and society.
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This entire thread is beautiful, thank you all for sharing your observations and experiences.
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The Effect of Drugs and other Substances on our Spiritual Training!
LousyLaoTzu replied to LousyLaoTzu's topic in Daoist Discussion
Interesting discussion so far, we're met with two sides of opinion. I've heard trance like states induced from certain narcotics, a trance that would lead a person down the path of self enlightenment. Yet as another person has stated already too much snd it becomes a hindrance. When it becomes necessary to reach these states it becomes sort of a crutch doesn't it? It becomes an attachment. Something that will keep us further from the Tao. I do smoke cannabis recreationally and have found beautiful spiritual inspiration whilst feeling its effects but nothing beats a high given to us by that of nature.- 54 replies
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Hello there friend, I hope you had a fantastic day. If ever an overwhelming sense of dread or sadness becomes you again perhaps trying to empty your mind and fill your belly with the primordial essence of the Tao. This isn't meant as order, demand, but merely suggestion. To meditate when one is inexperienced in such skills and upset is a difficult thing to do. You must know your own limits and your own feelings. Safe travels, pengyou. Lousy Lao Tzu
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Yes, that is one of the traditions and practices I enjoy from the Internal Alchemy schools of Taoism. They're closest, I feel, to the root of Lao Tzu's original message. I'm sure a plethora of individuals have given you their thoughts on such meditations but whatever you're doing, if it feels natural, whole and makes you feel closer to your inner nature, continue doing it. Keep your three treasures close, pengyou!
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The earliest forms of Taoism in it's philosophical form called onto meditation to reach trance like states. They also allude to the use of tso-wang (yoga) to quiet the mind and more complete their wu-wei (non-action). No trance in this form isn't a vision like the one's described by Christian saint's such as Mother Teresa but rather a feeling, an experience. Both of which has deep connection with the Tao that can be named. Now to Lao Tzu, it seemed, trance was something approached by quiet not stiumlation. So over complicated techniques and styles of meditation may seem to hamper the Taoist rather than aid. This of course, is an opinion. Xie xie, zaijian, Lousy Lao Tzu
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