Gunther

😀😀Well, I prefer not to. As the person (full of shit) appears in my mind, my mind would be full of shit as well. That immediately poses the question: what comes first😀😀 Have you ever perceived anything outside your mind???😀

Yes, we do that regards trivial things, which are simple, straightforward no-brainers. But regards decision making, there were experiments done that prove that the unconscious beats you by about 1/2 a second every time. You react before you made the concious decision. So every time we deliberate in the concious mind it is only hesitation/fear/pretense, when all the while we are following our nature intuitively/spontaneously anyway. I am still on probation here and have a limit to my replies. But this subject is a cross over Zen(southern school) and advaita moving into Jungian psychology. From where does ignorance and ugliness arise? Where does it abide? To where does it liberate? ཕཏ། The mind (collective and personal unconscious) Peace

Sometimes the immortals eat painted rice cakes to satisfy their painted hunger😀😀😀

At the moment of conception A tiny spark of conciousness Enters the first cell in a flash Given favourable conditions It grows into a lovely flower Releasing it's fragrance Back to where it came from Peace

Thanx for this poem. A song of enlightenment 13. White cloud rises to head’s top, 14. Sweet dew sprinkles the celestial mountain. 15. Drink the wine of immortality This is my understanding of immortality. It's universal, in all traditions/religions Prana or chi raises through the central channel(no breath), is released through the broken top knot and the mind opens Naked awareness Peace

Ok, interested to hear what exactly it is in daoist alchemy. In Buddhism/Hinduism it is said that some can permanently remain in the 4th pranayama or breathless state, and so become kind of immortal. Methinks it just means they can live for a very long time maybe. Does anybody know what is the nectar of immortality in daoism? And is there a mention of the stuff that's squirts out the top of your head?

Because we mistake our body/mind for the subject/observer. But if we include ourselves as objects of observation it's all clear.

Just crossed my mind: As also in any (scientific) experiment, the observer is always outside/beyond/distant from the observation. So for the mind (as conciousness awareness) to be able to observe space/time it has to be beyond/outside. It is therefore always already immortal. Does that make kind of sense??😀😀

No. you are still the same, but ... Sure, that's what we are: awareness Sorry I don't know any Chinese Taoist terms. Would any of them translate to awareness?

You mean less salt more pee? That seems to be true, salt binds a lot of water in the body. But, same here, what do I know?😀

IMHO what is termed immortality is the unborn enlightened mind. It is awareness aware of itself only. In the meditative state it is like infinite space, silent, luminous, eternal, empty. No world, no body, no breath in that absorption. This can be experienced directly by everybody. All the different concepts in different schools are not to be taken literally. Peace

Very nice But after waking up from the dream, who are you? You are also emptiness.(awareness only) Peace

The natural state. Suppose there are no answers But what was the question? If there is no confusion, what could satori/enlightenment do for you? Buddha=awareness Dharma=truth Sangha=purity (Hui Neng, Platform sutra) Peace

😀😀my fav Deutsche schlager song, probably even older than me. How did you know?😀 Seems a massive forum here, take me a while find my way round. So is Tibetan ice still here? About that breathless 😀it's the 4th pranayama, been there as well. Big deal😀😀