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This is all very interesting, but trigrams is not what i’m after. Hexagrams are what i’m looking for.

Really? That’s interesting. Could you expand on this? Which way does the cycle go? Sorry to be a bother, I don’t have the book. I know that some sources place trigrams at different body parts, but i’m quite interested on what hexagrams the daoists put the liver, spleen, and so on. I’m sure some Daoist must have done so.

I haven’t got the book but I’ve read the preview. I couldn’t find anything in there except linking 60 hexagrams with the days of the month rather than anatomy. Perhaps it’s in the full version? I don’t know.

They are trigrams, from wikipedia, and they don’t make sense. After all, is kun (the receptive) really the belly? Regardless, I would have thought some daoist would have linked hexagrams with anatomy some time ago.

Thanks, but does this fluid affect the vagus nerve, or is it just swallowed into the stomach? Like yin qi travels up the du mai, I thought this fluid may affect the ren mai, but most sources say that it is simply swallowed, where it is then absorbed in the gut. After all, the vagus nerve doesn’t enter the tongue or palate area.

I think that they weren’t talking about lecithin itself though, but an enzyme called ‘lecithin cholesterol acyltransferase’.

So, to clarify, the yin qi usually goes out of the eyes, but meditation turns back this yin qi from heading out of the eyes, and causes it to travel down the vagus nerve, where it passes to the heart. When it meets with the heart, it mixes with shen to create yang qi. This is the creation of yang qi. The yang qi then passes to the lower dantian, where the yang qi develops it. Am I understanding you correctly? Also, do you have a source which mentions that the cerebrospinal fluid contains lecithin? I couldn’t find any source anywhere. Most say that the cerebrospinal fluid is 99% water, with a few enzymes and a small amount of glucose.

Also, you said before that the Indians (and Daoists too I think) put their hair in a knot on their head at the point where the energy of heaven enters through the head. This point, therefore, is the wind mansion, yes? If so, I don’t understand the significance of the BaiHui at all, as I always thought that was where the zhong mai begins, and the energy from heaven enters the head.

So the yang qi is made in the kidneys, which is sent to the perineum or prostate (which you said occurs during lust), but unlike in the situation of lust, it leaves the perineum and enters the spine, I assume via the sacral plexus. And from there, I assume it is dissolved into the cerebralspinal fluid. Do you know what carries this qi? It can’t be lecithin, as I’m sure that only carries yin qi, not yang qi.

Thanks a lot, but I wonder why BaiHui isn’t hexagram 1, instead of Wind mansion (feng fu)? So that diagram is quite confusing. edit: also, shouldn’t the home of Li (fire) be in the head? The heart (also known as anahata chakra) is considered the merging of fire and water, masculine and feminine.

I think chakras are more to do with the spine. Could be wrong though.

I don’t think the chakras have anything to do with the dantian. I think it’s more to do with the spine. But i could be wrong.

That sounds interesting, but I don’t speak cantonese. Can anyone translate?

It doesn’t sound like he was referring to saliva itself though. More a stage or type of meditation.

They have no starch, grains or dairy. And are very easy for the digestive system to digest (don’t require a lot of qi to digest). What could go wrong, right?

I’m blood type O too. I remember you mentioned the blood type diet before, but I researched it and the guy behind the blood type diet books says that coconut is one of the worst foods a blood type O can possibly have, but I love coconut and I’ve had it since I was young.

Do you have any evidence of the zodiac or astrological effects causing such a significant variation in a population? To me, every cycle around the sun, whether it is in the year of the pig or year of the horse, is more or less the same, and whatever tiny variation there is, wouldn’t be enough to change someone’s personality. Like at school, we would have all been born to the same zodiac, but there was a great variation in different personalities, intellect, talent, appearance, etc.

Doesn’t turmeric have to be mixed with black pepper and milk or ghee in order to have a health effect though? Thanks for the recipe anyway

I don’t want to upset you by being accusational, and you already have provided a lot of help to me for understanding Daoism and music theory, so for that i’m very grateful, as I have said before. it’s just that you said I seemed to not try to understand what you were saying, or that you said I was practicing ‘willful ignorance’. But I spent a lot of time and effort trying to understand what you were trying to say. However I’m too tired on trying to understand, and besides in the past few weeks I’ve had a lot of spare time but these days I’ll be working and I have no more time or energy to try and understand such advanced theories anymore. It’s too much for me. Maybe someone else will continue the conversation if they’re interested. Thanks for everything, that’s all from me.

I agree exactly I would have gone further and mentioned it, but I didn’t want anyone to start taking offense. No-one’s a perfect scholar here, I just want to be spoken to like a normal person, not like a postgraduate advanced physics expert or whatever. It’s also worth mentioning that I tried finding clarification on the references elsewhere, like here (https://www.reddit.com/r/learnmath/comments/8pjj0v/can_someone_please_explain_like_im_5_what_this/e0cqdqo/), because Void just can’t seem to explain his theories without using advanced physics jargon, and one reply said that the quotes referred to basically don’t exist. Another said he was doing his masters in mathematics, and even he didn’t understand the quotes. So if he doesn’t understand, and I don’t understand, then what’s the point? Again, I have to emphasise that it’s well in void’s right to speak however he wants, and if he wants to talk to us in an incredibly confusing and complicted language, that’s ok. But in return, I don’t see why I can’t ask questions to clarify what he is talking about. I agree completely that quantum physics language is totally unnecessary to explain ancient concepts of pythagorean music theory or anatomy or philosophy. But that’s just my opinion.

Are they built differently, or do they have different voltage? I just read on this topic: and the author says the right vagus nerve us normally unmyelinated, which is surprising.

You said that mere arousal releases lecithin, that had previously been ionised, attached to the myelin sheath, and carrying charge, to fall away from the myelin sheath of the vagus nerve, and I assume into the blood stream to be converted by the reproductive organs into reproductive fluid. Arousal is governed by the parasympathetic nervous system (vagus nerve), orgasm by the sympathetic nervous system. Therefore, the parasympathetic nervous system (the vagus nerve) is responsible for the release of qi through the loss of its own myelin sheath. But you said previously that the vagus nerve is responsible for retaining and storing qi (building up of its myelin sheath), and the sympathetic nervous system/spinal cord and brain is responsible for expelling qi (I assume through releasing adrenaline from itself). So are you saying that: 1. Low frequency shen parasympathetic nervous stimulation (lust) causes loss of ionised lecithin into the blood stream? 2. high frequency shen (meditation) causes collagen to retract into itself, causing a release of energy as low-intensity ultrasound, which ionises the lecithin in the blood, causing it to attach itself to a myelin sheath? 3. high frequency shen parasympathetic nervous stimulation (meditation) causes the ionised lecithin attached to the myelin sheath to contain more charge?

I ask you questions because there’s many perspectives on ‘the truth’, but I’m interested in your perpective only. Thus, if I do my own research (as I often do), I begin to read different studies, see different points of view, and come to different conclusions. I also think very differently to you, as I have absolutely no interest in quantum physics (especially as it requires hundreds of hours of college/university-level studying just to understand just the basics of it, unlike most other things which are just learning of statements and facts) and I have to often try to decipher, interpret and assume what you mean when you speak in jargon (like the 6th paragraph, you may as well written that in chinese because to myself and the average reader, it is impossible to understand). So when I read what you say, I often have an idea in my mind on what you’re trying to say, but I wish to confirm from you what I think you’re saying is indeed what you’re saying. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t. If you didn’t talk in quantum science speak all the time, talking about spacetime, noncommunitive stuff, virtual phonons and everything else, then I wouldn’t have to request clarification all the time. And then most of the clarifications still talk about quantum physics so we end up going in a circle, repeating ourselves. Most of your answers are just copy-and-pasted from your book, so if I can’t understand that, then there’s no point in reading the book in general. If you read my questions on the Daoist harmonics thread, this thread and elsewhere, my questions are less spontaneous questions arising from nowhere, but more requests for you to clarify yourself due to misunderstandings developed from such differences in language. You are correct that I can just go to your references, but many of your references are books that one is required to purchase, hence my first question in my previous post on this thread, requesting clarification due to not understanding the context. It would be ok if you were speaking in neidan terminology, or even bad, incoherent pinyin chinese (like the member awaken likes to do, who seems to write in her own style of pinyin), because this is a forum about Daoism, but I don’t see why I should be expected to understand advanced quantum physics words. I can accept you writing in this style because I’m a tolerant and open minded person, but in return, I don’t see why I can’t ask you questions for clarification. It’s not a case of just googling definitions (some words you use I have tried to find the definitions to, but it’s not found by a google search), it’s more a level of understanding advanced physics, which I simply cannot nor do I want to do, even if I could. Thanks for your understanding.

I don’t get why these two things are connected? Why does building up lecithin cause the testes to retract? I didn’t know arousal caused lecithin to build up. It would seem to be the opposite. You said in the other thread: How does activating the sympathetic nervous system, thus causing a release of adrenaline, or the production of reproductive fluid (containing lecithin) damage the vagus nerve’s ability to function? I don’t think adrenaline has a direct negative effect upon the vagus nerve, and reproductive fluid derives it’s contents from the excess nutrients found from the blood, it doesn’t take it directly from the vagus nerve. Yet emotions activating the sympathetic nervous system is what is said to deplete qi.

I see a lot of dislike on here for gluten, grains, dairy, and other foods that supposedly cause inflammation, so I wanted to see if my health would improve if I cut out all meat, all dairy, and all grains from my diet for 3 weeks. I’m a man in his early 20’s. No health issues. I was also completely celibate during those 3 weeks. I had a lot of vegetable smoothies (not eaten raw, as it’s bad for the stomach and spleen qi), a lot of hot soups, lots of spinach, kale, carrots, and fruit. All organic and freshly brought. To ensure I didn’t lose too much fat, I used coconut yogurt, coconut oil and olive oil (all organic) in my foods wherever possible. There is nothing really much to speak of apart from during this diet, diarrohea was common (I had it 3 times, and I barely ever have it usually), it was much tougher to get sleep, I felt much weaker and after the second week I was starting to really want some nice high-carbohydrate foods and meat. i went to see a chinese medicine doctor during the end of my diet. Apparently my heart was very yang, my kidneys were very, very yang, my liver (wood element?) was running out of fire (or something along those lines, I can’t remember exactly), and almost all organs were deficient in yin. He recommended I come off my diet immediately, so I did. He didn’t recommend any herbs as he thought my body would be better suited to consumimg yin foods rather than medicinal herbs, so he gave me a list of foods I could eat and recommended I sleep before midnight to better replenish yin. When I came off this diet, I had some cereal, some bread, some pasta, and I felt fine. It felt good for my body. Some people on this forum claim bread and grains are like poison for the body, but that wasn’t my experience at all. Also I recently watched the news about one of the world’s oldest men. He said the secret for his old age was porridge every day. Yet so many people here think eating dairy with grains (cereal) is the worst thing ever. Didn’t do him much harm! However, it was very cleansing for my body. My skin looked much better, and my gut feels cleansed and refreshed. I won’t be doing it again though.