Daemon

The wise speak only of what they know, Gríma son of Gálmód. A witless worm have you become. Therefore be silent, and keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. I have not passed through fire and death to bandy words with a serving-man till the lightning falls. Gandalf the White ☮️

6. Even if you're using new copper, make sure that you give both the tube and the fittings a really good clean with wire wool before applying the flux. 7. Give the joint a good clean afterwards to remove the external flux residues. 8. Flush the pipe thoroughly afterwards to remove the internal residues. ☮️

However, sitting in a cafe (even reading a book) can provide you with exactly the same experience (if your attitude and the ambience of the place is conducive). To summarise: Show up with the right attitude in the right place with the right people and the answer to your question will become obvious to you. ☮️

By inviting someone to one of our meetings so that they can explore that question from their own experience. As an alternative, I sometimes direct people towards unprogrammed Quaker meetings. In that case, I may accompany them and/or make available a few simple and potentially useful adjuncts, such as those that I'm in the process of making available via this topic. ☮️

There is no echo As the Song of the Silence Is reflected back ☮️

I recognise and I respect the honesty that you've demonstrated here @Marblehead. Thank you. I might come back to your reply later because (to me) it seems to be rich in the potential to have a more meaningful interaction with you, which might not only be of benefit to us as the participants but also to others as observers of that potential interaction ☮️

Do you ever attempt to relate without frivolity? I ask this because I've noticed that people who habitually attempt to make others smile or laugh usually do so as a defence mechanism. Clowns often have a history of great personal tragedy. ☮️

I guess it's always possible to have a magical, mutually life enriching interaction with those that you meet on these seemingly mundane outings? Perhaps, that's dependent upon whether you view life itself as magical and miraculous? ☮️

In order even to begin to ask this question, there's a fundamental necessity to be clear about what you understand by self. This is further complicated by the possibility that there's also the term Self and that self and Self may or may not be assigned different meanings. In my own experience, it's not possible to answer this question intellectually but it is possible to answer it experientially. ☮️

In that case, I wouldn't recommend tackling the King's Way. ☮️

I'll be delighted to take up your very kind offer later.@ilumairen Thank you for taking the time to clarify my misunderstanding. ☮️

I possibly just lack your intellectual stature. Perhaps you could therefore explain (in reasonably simple terms) whether or not my understanding of your belief system is correct? You appear to believe that you need a someone to transmit some thing to you that's in that individual self's possession but which is not already in your individual self's possession? That explanation negates the existence of a universal self. If that's the case, perhaps you also have an explanation of how the first individual gained possession of whatever thing it is that you believe needs to be transmitted to others? As an aside (and in the interests of not wasting any more time on this off-topic cul-de-sac), perhaps I should disclose that, from my perspective, I find it useful to turn to Occam in these situations in order to avoid this logical fallacy. So, in the absence an explanation that negates the simpler and more practically useful model (that the Light is already present in everyone and that It cannot be controlled by any individual), I'll continue to consider that you've just bought into some needy patriarch's narcissistic hubris. Alternatively, perhaps we could just agree to walk silently in opposite directions (perhaps allowing ourselves to sigh silently to ourselves in the ensuing Silence if either of us finds that to be helpful)? ☮️

Isn't that a contradiction? (Because if that's the case, there can be no transmission of enlightenment from one individual to another, because the Light is already resident in everyone). ☮️

Do you find the possibility of making such a pilgrimage towards your possibly future home to be appealing? ☮️

My pleasure. As a brief aside, have you walked the Kungsleden yet? ☮️

I was under the impression that you'd seen clearly through the illusion of gurus and their imagined empowerments? ☮️

Strictly speaking, it was a comment that I felt might be of interest to you rather than a reply to rene. ☮️

Nailed him there! Furthermore, the heart is at the centre of the body and particularly central to the nervous system (both exoterically and esoterically), so it (sometimes known as the anahata centre) is considered to be green (like the centre of the visible light spectrum). ☮️

There are only two effective and efficient ways to learn resonant breathing (of which I'm aware: ChiKung (like @Miffymog) over a couple of years, although that's not guaranteed and if, like, him, you make the mistake of following an unqualified source, you're probably not only going to fail but you're possibly also going to harm yourself. Instrumented biofeedback over a couple of months. Of these, the only guarantee of success would be the second. You might also be able to pick it up in other ways (e.g. highly skilled individual tuition, the free HeartMath™ app[1] or attending meetings held in the Light of Silence). If you have a high degree of body awareness, your chances of success without the use of instrumented biofeedback are exponentially multiplied. ☮️ Footnotes Although I have found that their relatively cheap biofeedback devices may be an adequate substitute (in the absence of access to professional-grade medical physiology equipment and expertise) this is NOT an endorsement of HeartMath™. ☮️

Having spent several weeks considering the evolution of this topic (if any in this particular environment), I feel that the most effective and efficient method of making our Path (of the Light) freely available to anyone and everyone who might have an interest would be by building upon the core of traditional (unprogrammed) Quakerism and by outlining some of our more readily accessible practices as adjuncts. Although there are major differences between these two Paths, this approach may hopefully illustrate that at the same time there's no significant difference in our core group practice other than that we do not interrupt our shared Silence with what the Quakers call vocal ministry. For some of us the sparse vocal ministry found even in unprogrammed traditional Quakerism detracts from our individual and shared experiences of our group Silence. Others find value in both and it is probably also important to point out that even within traditional Quakerism the group Silence is often unbroken for the duration of the Meeting. I will continue developing this topic by outlining how to learn what I consider to be probably the most accessible and effective of our individual core practices, an ancient heartcentric breathing practice, which is becoming more widely disseminated under the labels of coherent or resonant breathing. ☮️

I find the Gospel of Mary the most insightful myself, perhaps because Mary highlights the ultimate dead end of these patriarchal paths. ☮️

From what you (@wandelaar) have written, I have the impression that you're saying that you're refining your inate wisdom (and discovering that your own outlook is confirmed by the writings to which you referred)? ☮️

@wandelaar I'm wondering if what you mean by wisdom is something that you would view as specialist knowledge? ☮️

It's invariably wisest to walk your own Path (as a mature, independent, self-reliant adult). ☮️

I'm not worried. I'm merely curious and checking whether my understanding of the situation here is accurate. Thank you for sating that curiosity. ☮️