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Hey guys, Who is the official source for Meditation Mastery CDs? Is it still being published, or are the CDs available say on Youtube the only official copies? I see quite a few scammy sites looking like they sell the CDs, but they look totally sketch. Let me know. Thanks.

@EFreethought Yeah all of those sites seem a bit scammy and not official.

Indeed! This is why I want all the old recordings. I have the modern most recent slick recorded one that is offered in the KAP 1 supplementals and it is actually my favorite KAP resource. I like the Doc's vibe and humor!

It seems like for me, that spinal breathing has been the only technique that gives a strong kundalini response with episodes where I've had an electric automatic gushing of upward river powerful flow. Other techniques seems to just made my channels clearer and easy to work with and more fluid. Even with MCO, i get a lot of automatic flow, but unless i've started with tons of spinal breathing i don't get the electric river experience. Even much loved techniques like 5 point breathing seems to have more of a clearing and purifying effect. Spinal breathing charge up for 20 mins then MCO does have a powerful effect on me. It seems like the safety controls and purifying techniques of KAP + the more direct approach of AYPs spinal breathing makes for a good combination. Although i've been warned to be careful mixing techniques, the grounding movements of Celestial Qigons have been invaluable with cooling down. So--- Spinal breathing to get the electric river started, KAP to smooth out my channels and let me move energy easier, and celestial qigong grounding forms to cool down. Kinda more of a braindump than anything.

I was too cranky with my reply!

Is there some sort of karmic goodwill with only using techniques from teachers you have paid to learn from? On the Internet, there's so many stolen books, courses and videos being pirated. It almost feels fraudulent and dirty using these 'stolen' sources. I wonder if it has any bearing on the outcomes that ppl produce, or perhaps only the significance we place on such things flavors the outcome? I am not speaking about freely given techniques, but the piracy culture of the Internet.

I don't agree with that. My stolen collection of SFQ about 15 years ago served me well. This reminds me that I need to make a donation to Chunyi Lin. His techniques helped a lot when I was going through health issues back then. I'm about to send him an email. The whole you have to have a teacher and lineage trap is a presupposition that many have, a type of programming, people just need quality techniques, and a resource to lean on if they have more questions. Potentially, good remote teaching will answer more of the questions and provide solutions for the most frequent issues that people might have. I find that it isn't just ethical, it is the cornerstone of good business.

I've done some of his free stuff over the years, but not for very long... Any long time students? Any thoughts on this video. His personality What a WWE character. Does he have the mythical magical 'juice' the bums use to talk ad nauseam about?

I always felt like Waysun Liao, no matter how great, would probably slowball your progress.

I'm no one's follower. I would probably out a## hole him. I've been around far more toxic ppl than what he displays. But I like the idea of the non-hippie Taoist master. Douchbags can have attainment too?!!

I want to experience his personality in person.

No, I'm framing it as you have a negative outlook, not that it is negative just because I don't agree.

I don't think this is a good argument. The 'tools' that we have been talking about are quite subjective in the internal arts. We know very little about the details of them, we have only been told that they work, what to expect, and then we have our own anecdotal experience that sometimes is similar to others likely because of how the human body is constructed, but also because of priming. Priming is a huge thing, and why accepting the frames that others present to you can be dangerous. When our teachers do attempt to break it down on an analytical level, they result in framing it in modern neuroscience and the various nervous systems in the body (PNS, CNS, ENS) Now, modern analytical tools could be used to do more research into how these things actually work, and from there we could create a more refined understanding and set of best practices. Remove it from faith, myth and our own filters. Also, you moved the goalposts. You went from suggesting that the ancients were wiser when they couldn't even heal childhood diseases that we have eradicated, to changing the argument about the internal tools that we use without much data suggesting how they really work. I'm not against the ancients, I'm against the Golden Age fallacy. I'm often prone to say that science is slow to research these things. Modern medicine's/research tools do not destroy the earth, mining for the resources for us to have this conversation on our phone does-- We don't need to conflate the two.

I am correct, if it doesn't fit your frame you suggest inevitable negativity. Shoot you even suggest the same thing when it comes to entity possession. The universality of your argument is what I am taking aim at, not that you have a POV that is different.

@Earl Grey You are as I suspected anti-self-development if it doesn't fit your narrow frame. That is fine, just don't sell your point of view universally. Because someone can be subject to Dunning-Kruger effect as they undergo self-creation, doesn't mean that this is most often the case. If people focus on humility and self-awareness (not in just the go sit in silence version) but more a running assessment of who they are in all their dealings, they are less likely to come to where you suggest they have to end up. I find this odd, everything you suggest has to lead to some negative path, which to me means you have an overarching negative view of such things and possibly cannot deal with this subject matter objectively.

The Golden Age Fallacy also exists as well My point is quite succinct: (1)We have far greater analytical tools and better research methods today. (2) We don't need to depend on legacy and faith, when we try, test and create far more objective samples vs myth handed down with cultural flavorings and hidden 'truths' and the such. I would love for you to attempt to refute my #1. I want to know how magically the people of the past had better tools and methods of analysis than we have today. Why didn't they wipe out polio or cowpox earlier, if they were so wise and had greater analysis tools and methodology than we have today?

If I play my cards right, I will spend most of my summer and fall in Thailand and maybe a little bit of time in Indonesia. Most are familiar with the internal alchemy and energy practices of China and India, but do nations like Thailand and Indonesia have their own internal arts traditions? I know that Indonesia has Tenaga Dalam , I tried Tridaya a few years ago and it was amazing, I even played with Yellow Bamboo techniques and enjoyed it. I don't care about chi-blasting ppl! What does Thailand have?

I gave a lot of options that would allow a person to develop self-awareness as they engage in self-making yet you still take issue with it. What is you overarching issue with self-making? Self-aggrandizement doesn't naturally flow from what i suggested. Then again, what is wrong with healthy self-aggrandizement?

Do you naturally have an issue with people believing in themselves and working hard?

Oh. I don't think they should be the same in experience. I'm just mentioning what has given the most awe.

Perhaps, but it isn't certain that a person ends up aggrandizing themselves. They might just become a better version who is aware of their power, worth and limitations. Teaching self-awareness with self-making might be an awesome combination. Perhaps a lifelong never ending black/white mirror journal., wins/losses, good me/bad me, reality vs inflation...

I no huge defender of TM, but it is well researched. There's research that shows its sticking points for some, and its positive attributes as well. What do you mean when you say TM isn't a 'legitimate' practice? TM also seems to only be maybe 15% of what they teach.

What is wrong with self-making? Healthy self-making. Potential realized. Not necessarily oil in muscle type of self-making, but building the ME.

I'm not really comparing MCO and spinal breathing directly, but more along which practices have given the more 'peak experiences' over the years. I can say that spinal breathing has done that, but intermittently.

How do we know if the teachings are any good? Today's students are more customers than they are disciples, and as such demand the good stuff at an 'appropriate' time, not 30 years later into their servitude. I think the master/sifu/guru racket has been going on for thousands of years, probably even more so when the the 'great' ones couldn't be questioned. The greatest egos I've seen have come from those who promote they are free from their own, yet demand to be exalted in the most humble brag/humble 'flex' of ways , by faith, belief and unquestioning. Maybe as we shop for practices, we should ask for proof of concept. Don't show me you, show me your top 10 students! As an offshoot from my other question, I wonder if those who believe that all lessons should be free are willing to give up some of their autonomy for those lessons? If you are are not willing to pay for your lessons, which would help the master pay their mortgage, rent or afford food, maybe taking an undying oath to them is a more suitable 'free' exchange?