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No i won*. Period. You ran away in the security of your PPD. As i said you have no idea what you are talking about. I actually proved that above. *This isn't a victory to be frank. But at least the truth prevailed for once.

No i won't. I told you we are fine here. I proved my point, you didn't. Game over. Cya!!! Why? Because i am f*cking tired of trying to converse with someone who does not understand basic argumentation logic and keeps using fallacies as a means to prove that the absence of light isn't darkness.... Trying to make you think for a change is too tiring and not worth my time and effort, i have actual things to do instead of wasting time and effort to a meaningless cause. I just hope that people that see the thread ignore the nonsense you wrote.

Seriously? You of all people? is this considered good forum etiquette? You are the epitome of bad manner!

NO. They differ. I already pointed out a tradition that differs.Hermetics differ too. Organs have different polarities and there is no yang and yin chi. 1-0 Irrelevant argument. 2-0 Says the major producer of bullshit in the thread.... lol False. It is just a minor part of level 1. and oh btw look what i found! 24. Step 2. M. Visualization Your source proves you wrong. Guess why that happened? Because you have no f*cking idea what you are talking about! 3-0 He says that they use visualisation. I was certain that he could have never said something so stupid that visualisation isn't needed. 4-0 This is public. Where is the problem? This is just appealing to authority all over again. 5-0 So visualisation again? Wow that helps your argument a lot. 6-0 Ah the "No true Scotsman fallacy". You really are a treasure to study logical fallacies in arguments! 7-0 Ah "the leap at Rhodes" fallacy. Man you are shooting turd after turd. https://americanliterature.com/author/aesop/short-story/the-leap-at-rhodes 8-0 You are the one derailing it mister.

So @Shadow_self since you know about magic, what can you tell us about seals, candles, qaballah and how it relates to qigong and tummo? Interesting. There is mention of the ability to control future incarnations in Bardo Thodol and the yogas of dream and sleep. Ideally death should lead to enlightenment but if that fails the option to control the next incarnation so as to continue pursuing enlightenment is there. What are the dangers that you are aware of? It sounds intriguing as you pointed out because you can keep magical skills through incarnations.

You have no idea how stupid this claim is. Google Lataif and tell me how they (don't) relate at all with the energy centers of Hindu and taoist systems. You should know IF you had ever studied Bardon. The energy structure that he included in the book is unlike the asian traditions. Your supposed (let's laugh here for a moment) knowledge of traditions does not include that? What you did is appeal to authority mixed with hearsay without the actual quotes from people you claim have said stupid things which obviously they haven't! You claim that stretching is emphasized by hermetic masters. NO this is false and you have no source to prove anything. You claim that Ian whatever said something and you have nothing to show. It is just hearsay! Sure drifter, no problem... You sound exactly like the WMP crowd. Oh i am sure that you have plenty of sensations. Find another hobby, you won't get anywhere! Eh you are the guy who knows nothing about the subject yet keeps insisting. blah blah blah more hearsay blah blah blah more appeal to authority blah blah blah no proof you sound exactly like ilovecoffee. Oh really? you know why i left better than me? Get serious troll! Why did you leave the AG thread then? Should i speculate like you? I know that you had no argument and you chickened out. see how this goes? So one that can score from any position in the court, must know the precise mechanics behind shooting? That is a joke statement. I am not answering stupid stuff. Continue what? You have more hearsay and no proof? What is the point. I have already won. No the problem is that YOU don't. One of the great commandments of science is, "Mistrust arguments from authority." ... Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else.[21] Carl Sagan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority Arguments from authority that are based on the idea that a person should conform to the opinion of a perceived authority or authoritative group are rooted in psychological cognitive biases[41] such as the Asch effect.[42][43] In repeated and modified instances of the Asch conformity experiments, it was found that high-status individuals create a stronger likelihood of a subject agreeing with an obviously false conclusion, despite the subject normally being able to clearly see that the answer was incorrect.[44] That is easy. you need proof. You don't have it and instead of shutting up because you don't have it, you insist on giving your anything but expert opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) You need to provide facts why you know about a subject like western magic while you have never studied it. You did not. You have no argument. I rest my case.

Yes you do! Logical fallacy. You need to quote verbatim and let them explain their level of ignorance. yes you are! And the results are? Nothing at all of course. Freeform is clueless and Damo isn't good and you know why. The reason i left is because the mods have double standards.

Appealing to authority without even quoting what people said or where it can be found is a very well documented logical fallacy. Your previous post was a boatload of this fallacy. Don't bother with the traditions you are following they will lead you nowhere. Even if they are legit which i highly doubt, your unethical behaviour will prevent you from acvomplishing anything of any importance.

This is 100% pure bullshit. You are not part of these traditions and don't know what you are talking about. You are the quintessential drifter who never stays at one art enough to be a master but thinks that encountering many arts and using academics you can master everything. I hate to point it our to you lad but you are clueless and you will remain so. Just so you know, i have shown what you wrote to people of another magical tradition and the ROFLED at the nonsense. I won't waste more time with uninformed patzers.....

And why did it take the heavens 70 years to react if pollution or urbanisation was the only trigger? The earliest indications of lead pollution come from the roman empire and the extensive use of lead for the processing of silver used in coinage. How did the climate change then? The ethical dimension of people today seems to have infuriated the heavens more than anything else.

You really don't know what you are talking about. One of the exercises in tsa lung is 9 purification breaths which have visualisation. No you don't... Eh no this isn't true. He mentions doing some regular exercise like isometrics but that isn't important. Actually you need to read the books for a change because the second exercise in the book i mention is visualising an orange.... And this is based on what? Your own non-existent experiences with those methods? Western magic has inner alchemy too and there is a long tradition going back at least a thousand years. Sure, i will listen to a random idiot on the web instead of respected teachers of Tibetan lineages who have visualisation in many practices like Dream yoga for example. I mean what could go wrong with trusting the opinion of random idiots who don't walk the talk? Whatever doesn't fit your paradigm doesn't mean that it is inferior or doesn't work. This will bite you back later on your journey. Keep to your system and don't criticize systems that you have no idea how they work. Magic has very little connections to qigong. They are separate systems. edit. in case i am misunderstood the idiot is Ian Baker who criticizes ancient traditions based on superficial understanding.

It is good that you are willing to help but isn't the drought sometimes caused by the heavens being disgusted with the ethics of mortals? Drought, plague etc IIRC according to Daoists happen because people act out of the natural order.

The climate was different at various points in history. Google the "Medieval warm period" and "Small ice age". There is no correlation between Christianity and climate. The deforestation of the North African jungles and the loss of the Great African Lakes like the Megalake Chad happened before Christianity was even a concept.

This is plain wrong. It shows ignorance of Tibetan Tantra methods and Hermetic magic practices. Visualisation is key to these practices! Bardon has the exercise in the forefront of his book Initiation to the hermetics. Do you know better than Bardon? Again these have nothing to do with hermetic magic traditions. The foundations have only one thing in common. Meditation. The actual practices, like purification rituals, diverge completely after that. Even the energy systems are different.

As a side question @Iliketurtles what is your opinion on deep fakes??