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All are connected in the taoist arts to an extent. Most WMPs practice for the spiritual aspects of MoPai not the martial aspects. Though if you ask them what the goal of MoPai is as i had innocently done before to another wmp member, then you will get the copy paste answer "the goal of MoPai is not the cultivation of powers" but never a clear answer. My personal opinion on mopai is "steer clear of it unless you are asian and can go to Indonesia". Yes this is true but i knew what mopai was at the time just not the clusterf*ck that Jim left behind by teaching. I had heard about the eviction of westerners from a site Kostas keeps but i knew no details until i read some debates here.

I am surprised that you have never heard of it but here goes. It is an Indonesian system that evolved there and bears similarities to native systems. It is supposedly not taoist but a system derived from Mozi's teachings. There was a ruckus made by a book written by Kostas "Danaos" named "The Magus of Java" about twenty years ago. This followed an appearance of a guy nicknamed "John Chang" in a documentary named The Ring of Fire where he displayed electrokinesis, pyrokinesis and other abilities on camera. He accepted a few western students, two of which are the most known Jim McMillan and Kostas "Danaos". Jim was from the states and taught people there. At some point during their training, Chang after consulting with the spirit of an elder of the system, decided to evict all western students which were left with only the first levels and no chance What we refer to as Western MoPai is the "students" (i write it quotations because Jim wasn't allowed to divulge anything) of Jim and all the people they gave the first levels. It is assumed that the system has 72 levels of which the first two are available to them. After Jim's death they roam the internet seeking to convert people to mopai and "see for themselves" while dismissing all other qigong as placebo unless they have "objective video proof" with "scientists present and medical doctors". I don't know about their motives but as you can see they have a dead end system that has no opportunity to advance past the first stages.

Scientific proof is something different which you already admitted that you lack. Leave the thread. Join the Bulls!

Proof? Oh i forgot you don't have any We could always ask chang! Oh wait!

Hi five man! JC 69 ftw!

That is the problem we all have with WMP otherwise we don't give a f*ck.

That is why he is a liar. This is a form of lying in courts: not telling the whole truth.

The dictionary quote is for a different entry liar. The FDA says otherwise. Leave the thread. Stop trolling.

@MegaMindAll this has been debunked in the previous posts by multiple users. You have nothing more to contribute. Just leave.

All this has been debunked in the previous posts by multiple users. You have nothing more to contribute. Just leave.

This the definition of trolling. The FDA says otherwise and you quote random definitions instead of the lemma "objective evidence" It is obvious you are wrong. No this is jim's personal testimony. That is why lineages exist so that ypu can refer to someone higher up to confirm that what he teaches is line with the school. WMP doesn't have that. Only the testimony of Jim and the personal testimony of his students that they transferred everything. You have no way to confirm that jim was taught everything. You only have his testimonybthat he was taught everything. Novices of MP in the east know techniques jim was never taught

If you say so. You don't really understand that there is NOTHING connecting you to John Chang except personal testimony. A moron that decides to join you has no way to tell if you are giving him the teachings except your own argument that you are giving him that. You can't replicate his feats. You don't have lineage. You have all the characteristics of scamgong. Oh really? How many have you tried? At least a few hundreds i assume. And given that it takes a decade to go anywhere with internal cultivation, i assume you have thousands of members that have tried thousands of systems for over a decade. If not? Well i shouldn't be telling you this but you are scamming people by telling them things that you know that they are not true. They can. They always could without the poisonous practice of MoPai. Stand in Zhan Zhuang for an hour and see for yourself.

Megamind is a troll. He has no place in this forum. You did not read what illumairen posted. Objective evidence according to the FDA. FDA Requirements for for Objective evidence "Scientific. Can the data be evaluated by independent observers to reach the same conclusions". In the case of JC videos. NO. "Scientific. Are the data documented in a manner that allows recreation of the data and the events described" Again No. What Chang does in the vids hasn't been replicated by WMPS. "Scientific. Does the documented evidence provide sufficient data to prove what happened, when, by whom, how and why?"Again No. WMPs have no idea how and why. For example they can't tell us if the orientation or the time of day affect his abilities. Conclusion. Western Mo pai does not have objective evidence to accompany it's beliefs.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/objective-evidence.html Information based on facts that can be proved through analysis, measurement, observation, and other such means of research. There is nothing of the above available. Thus no objective evidence. Also note that scientists never use the term "objective evidence". Evidence in science either is or isn't. There no such thing as objective evidence. There is scientific evidence which you already claimed that you lack.

You are using a wrong definition. Who cares what objective means? We are talking about objective evidence. Find the corresponding lemma on this expression that you have used repeatedly.

Objective evidence is evidence you can examine and evaluate for yourself. You can't do that.You were not present. Period. I will not answer again on this matter. You have no proof, no evidence, just a recorded phenomenon.

That is the definition of subjective. Live with it.

You are not taking the case in court. If there is no scientific evidence then there is no argument from your part. You have no evidence. You keep using the term but you really don't know what it means. Objective evidence is " OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE is evidence you can examine and evaluate for yourself. " You can't do that. "SUBJECTIVE EVIDENCE is evidence that you cannot evaluate -- you have to simply accept what the person says or reject it. " That is exaclty what is happening here. You have been told that John Chang was brought to room (which you haven't visited), he was searched (which you can't verify because you were not present) and he was checked by them (but you have no way of knowing if he was or in what extent). It might as well be a hoax.

Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence Scientific evidence has nothing to do with what you have in your hands. Video isn't scientific evidence and you have deliberately and unsuccessfully tried to convince us that they are the same. Video evidence isn't even acceptable in courts in the absence of testimony or physical evidence. A scientific control is an experiment or observation designed to minimize the effects of variables other than the independent variable.[1] This increases the reliability of the results, often through a comparison between control measurements and the other measurements. Scientific controls are a part of the scientific method. The videos you have do not have either scientific control or statistical analysis therefore there are not evidence of anything. You have been told of this FACT repeatedly but you do not wish to acknowledge it. There is no debate on this. You don't have video evidence of Chang doing anything. You only have recordings of a phenomenon that may or may not be true.

This needs to be immortalized!

If all people on this Earth adopt the western lifestyle, then we will need two more "earths" worth of resources to compensate....

Yes folks you heard it here first! There is a thing called fake evidence!

@MegaMindWhere is my MIT degree? Video can be faked. It isn't evidence. What is the number of your Bulls suit?

I will a demand an MIT degree after i watch their online lectures! The quoted text is a complete joke like western mo pai! PS what is the number of your Bulls suit?

What is the point of tutoring then? A video would suffice! Do you need a license to teach in college? A video with medical professionals and scientists present would suffice! Oh wait!