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Psychic Conversations With Nostradamus and Upcoming Age of Profound Occult Learning https://www.amazon.com/Conversations-Nostradamus-Prophecies-Explained-Vol/dp/0922356017 A bit of background and clarification: Nostradamus is regarded by some as one of the greatest psychics of recorded history. He was also a great physician for his time, with superior medical knowledge compared to contemporary physicians. Little is known about Nostradamus. For instance, we don’t know who mentored him; we don’t know the correct translation of his work, let alone the correct interpretation; we don’t know the processes he used to look into the future, etc. The book I’m quoting below claims to explain the mysteries surrounding Nostradamus through conversations with him. For instance, it says that Nostradamus learned some of his medical knowledge (e.g. anesthesia) by looking into the future and studying modern operation rooms. Through the book’s conversations with Nostradamus, we also learn some of the methods and equipment he used. Among other things, he used what sounds like meridians and hypnosis during medical treatment. Interestingly, the book also says that Nostradamus was able to hypnotize patients by looking into their eyes. He used this form of hypnosis to block patients’ ability to feel pain during some of his treatments. As far as his ‘inner work’, the book says he used various forms of meditation (e.g. staring in a flame) and a special ‘mirror’ object to enter dimensions in order to communicate with other beings. In the book’s conversations he reveals that the mirror itself was a gift to him by a non-human being. This thing is not actually a mirror. We don’t have a word for it. It’s some sort of ‘occult’ object you might imagine sitting in an alchemist or gnostic adept’s lab. Of course, this all is assuming the book contains valid information psychically communicated through time and space. I withhold judgment on this for now, as I’m only halfway through the book. So far the book has dealt mainly with how the psychic connections were established and how they achieved a comfortable work flow trials encountered along the way. This makes it difficult to form an opinion as far as the credibility of the information the book attributes to Nostradamus. I sense that the part where the book gives more falsifiable prophetic knowledge that can be put to the test, comes later. This book was published in the 1970s. Hopefully the dates given for at least some prophesies fall in between the 1970s and today. As far as the plausibility of psychic connections with the past, I have no doubt that this is possible. Here are further clarifications needed to understand the text below. D = is an abbreviation for Dolores, who is the author and hypnotist. E = is an abbreviation for Elena, who is the subject making the psychic connection with Dyonisus, Nostradamus’ student. In the exchange below, Dyonisus speaks through Elena. Elena herself is not consciously present during these exchanges. According to the book, Elena and the other subjects used for this project are unaware of the information that was passed on trough them. They have to be brought up to speed after the sessions, through tape recordings. Dyonisus = Nostradamus’ student. Dyonisus is uniquely able to speak through Elena because Elena and Dyonisus are two incarnations of the same soul. It’s unclear to me if Dyonisus is actually speaking though Elena. It could be that Elena is extracting information and enacting her past life through some kind of memory bank. The book says Dyonisus (and Nostradamus himself) are adamant about being just as alive as us and living concurrent with our time, and not memories, spirits or simulations. (According to the book, Nostradamus said it’s important we understand this). It is mind boggling how this could be true, when you think about it. Does this mean that if I were to contact my younger self tomorrow, I would change my own timeline, as I remember it? Would I suddenly become aware of new memories of being contacted by an older version of myself? This book raises interesting questions about the nature of reality. But it doesn’t pretend to answer these matters. It just reports what happened during the sessions. Which I think is good and raises the book’s scientific value. They are reporting what they have witnessed and keep personal speculation at a minimum. This is how I like my books. Quatrain = the format in which Nostradamus published his predictions. Each quatrain consists of four lines. Each quatrain is a standalone unit in terms of encapsulating the prophetic concept Nostradamus wanted to communicate. So, one would not look to the next quatrain for clues to interpret the previous quatrain. Each quatrain pertains to its own prophetic information. Also, each quatrain corresponds to at least one prophesy. Sometimes one quatrain contains multiple prophesies (a bit counter intuitive, but this is supposedly based on common themes shared by prophesies that are in some way, related). This is one of several major confusions this book wants to clarify about Nostradamus’ prophetic work. Anyway, to get back to the thread’s topic, the book claims Nostradamus walked in on a session that initially only involved only his student, Dyonisus. When he realized the communications came from the future, he asked Dolores for assistance in terms of deciphering his prophesies for the public. In this thread we’re not concerned with all of Nostradamus’ work; we’re only interested in quatrain Century VII-14 (see below). The book says this quatrain predicts a new age of spiritual enlightenment. 14 He will come to expose the false topography, the urns of the tombs will be opened. Sect and holy philosophy to thrive, black for white and the new for the old. http://www.crystalinks.com/quatrainscentury7.html According to the book, the last three lines of this quatrain predict a new bundle of early Christian texts will be found in the near future. The book claims these ancient texts will play an important role in terms of bringing about a new enlightenment period. Below are some excerpts of Nostradamus commenting on the meaning of this quatrain. These were taken from p50-52. Later on (p291-92), the book reports the following conversation between Nostradamus and Dolores, but through another subject (Elena was no longer involved in this project, at this later point):

Here is the googlebooks link discussing Century VII-14. It contains more information than I'm comfortable with quoting online without permission. https://books.google.com/books?id=H6dZBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT52&dq=They+shall+show+topography+faultily.+The+urns+of+the+monuments+shall+be+opened.&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj22Iv9kLfdAhXi64MKHWOcDs4Q6AEIJzAA

I’ve come across some qi gong authors who attribute increased academic performance to their practices. Here is one example: https://books.google.nl/books?id=kPG2PSXNDqEC&pg=PA9&dq=end+school+year+top+of+class+cfq&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwim_6b2gbfdAhWIa1AKHUtLA1AQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=end school year top of class cfq&f=false Some people speculate that the brain works like a filter in terms of inhibiting what we can see, do and process. In this interpretation, natural talent and/or cultivation work allows people to bypass or eliminate some of these filters. My view, is that we’re not fully in control of the bodily ‘filters’ that get removed with cultivation. Everyone is different. Some get advanced healing abilities, some become clairvoyant, some get abilities with martial applications, etc.

Greetings to the forum I’ve been reading some TDB threads here ever since I discovered some books relating to Daoism. Before that I had no idea what Daoism is, other than the somewhat misleading ancestor and spirit worship connotations I picked up here and there as I went through life. Ancestor worship is, of course, part of what is practiced to varying degrees depending on the branch of Daoism, but it can’t be stereotyped as an indispensable part of Daoism. And even if it were more indispensable, my rejection of anything linked to ancestor veneration said more about me, than about Daoism. To someone whose mind was somewhere in between science and lingering biblical indoctrination, anything with pagan connotations would end up in the mental category of ‘things I shall remain suspicious to from now on’. I only learned very slowly over the last ten years that it was safe to let go of my biases against spiritual traditions. I had already shed most of my biblical beliefs, but I still wasn’t ready to let go of indoctrination in the department of “you just don’t dabble with the supernatural”. These beliefs had penetrated very deeply in the core of my identity, whereas other beliefs (e.g. the lacking historicity of parts of the bible) were easy to correct. So, I’m glad to say I’ve finally been able to shed this last(?) bastion of childhood indoctrination. Not necessarily in order to dabble head-first into certain practices myself, but to allow myself to do research and to recognize truth, regardless of the tradition it comes from. I’m still careful and suspicious, but it’s a healthy level of suspicion. The way I see it, the supernatural is part of nature (despite its name), being neither good nor bad. For instance, prayers, the placebo effect and visualizations (e.g. as used by athletes and hypnotists), use the same mechanism through which some forms of bad luck work (e.g. self-fulfilling prophesies or ‘curses’). In my view, nothing in nature is inherently good or bad, let alone “off-limits”. We’re already working with these forces without even knowing it. Everyone has had experiences with synchronicity, whether you're skeptic, see it as evil or don't know anything about it. So, to me, anything supernatural is comparable to other forces of nature (e.g. nuclear power, EMP energy) in the sense that the meaning changes depending on prior intentions, ethics and commitments. Where there is great power, there must be great responsibility. Anyway, that was a little about me and my growth. I hope I’m not too late on this forum. Some forums have their best days behind them and the most productive members are no longer posting. I hope I’ll be able to make some contributions as well.

Here is the link to the new thread, Fa Xin.

Good point. This conversation takes me back to my Christian days, when my only source of specialized religious information (biblical texts) was ambiguous. Even this question posed by Jesus' contemporaries can have several interpretations. I'm glad my religious research interests nowadays don't have as many 'dead ends'. The things I'm investigating now are easier to crack and understand. It can really be draining when answers to important questions are just out of reach.

Yes. The texts about Jesus agree that he was born different, and that this manifested already in early childhood. From this perspective, it’s a small step to say that Jesus arrived at his teachings through his own studies and reflections. I think one major thing that gets people to speculate about Jesus being taught by a foreign mentor is what some interpret as suspicious reactions by some of his contemporaries. For instance Mark 6:1-3 is often interpreted as evidence that Jesus’ ideas were regarded even then as alien in his community. It is kind of interesting that people in the crowd asked “where did he get these things”. It's not necessarily their surprise, but the phrasing. Rereading the four gospels from this perspective can make people think of seemingly unconnected things (e.g. three magi from the east who brought gifts, missing account of Jesus’ formative years) as a goldmine for a new theory. There might be something there, but I think we’re a long way from establishing it. I’ll make a new thread with some book quotes centering around Century VII-14 tonight or tomorrow (assuming my current forum status doesn’t restrict me from making new threads). I will then post the link to the new thread here, to notify you.

In the book Nostradamus relates the undiscovered texts to one of his prophesies (see the second, third and fourth lines of Century VII-14). According to the book, Nostradamus knows how our time (the time from which the psychic connection was made), relates to the time of his prophesies. So, the book says Nostradamus is aware of the scrolls that have been found in our time. The scrolls found so far are only part of the prophesy, according to the book. So hopefully, we’re in for this other treat. What are this forum’s rules for posting book excerpts? I’d like to post excerpts that discuss these texts. The book also has a session where one of Nostradamus’ students paraphrases a lost text (lost to our times, but apparently it was shown to Nostradamus’ students in secret). Supposedly, the lost text described an incident in which a young Jesus killed someone psychically (or, at least energetically, a la dim mak) but then revives the person after regretting it. Yes. There are also more recent ‘developments’ on this. One author I’ve come across made a similar claim after being introduced to Jesus by his spirit guide (during his astral travels). But there is the problem of ‘diffusion’. Two of these (the priest and the journalist who published the Issa story) used the same source texts and both reached the west. So we can’t rule out that some people who seem to confirm this story are subconsciously influenced by the same Issa texts. I see. I agree that looking for common themes in between religious traditions can lead to great insight.

Thanks. I will see if I can find a good book that deciphers this text for lay people like me. I’m afraid I’m too ‘left-brained’ to get much out of such cryptic texts on my own. One book I’m reading now (conversations with Nostradamus) mentions the gospels and it predicts new ancient texts about Jesus’ life will be found in an archaeological site in southern Arabia. (The book claims Nostradamus mentioned this when a psychic connection was made through hypnotic regression work). The book claims these texts will shed light on aspects of Jesus’ life not recorded in the bible. I have not made up my mind about the claims made in this book. But if there are links between Jesus’ teachings and eastern traditions, such ‘biographical’ texts will be our best hope of finding out.

I had some thoughts recently about the bible’s etiology of Jesus’s abilities after reading about some talented extremely talented psychics and meditators. Jesus' miracles seemed indistinguishable from what these people were/are capable of. Some scholars have noticed similarities between Jesus' teachings and some Asian religious traditions. So it occurred to me that Jesus may have been a cultivation practitioner of some kind during the first 30 years of his life (which are largely undocumented).

Yes, there is also the issue that these practices can’t really all be lumped together as worship or veneration. Asking for and giving assistance is not the same thing as deification. Unfortunately people from my family’s religious background, at least, don’t see this as a meaningful distinction. It’s all bad in their view. I happen to be reading about this time aspect right now. Apparently some who do regression work are able to contact incarnations of their subjects from other times. These other incarnations then speak through the 'current incarnation' (although current, as you point out, may be a misleading word). So it's apparently possible for multiple incarnations to converge and share information through a middle man who knows how to set this up. This relates to the observation of many traditions that the past and future are not necessarily 'closed' and 'unopened' chapters respectively.

That’s good to know there are others here with my type of background. It’s good to be among like-minded people. IRL I’m used to keeping this stuff to myself and I do research strictly by myself. So it’s satisfying to be among people who are closest to my journey right now (which I consider Daoist self-cultivation to be).