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Sure but i know i need exercises to open the tissue. I feel tightness in the area

Yes, i have a tendency to tense up my upper torso. A qigong master i had told me this some time ago

Epictetus: "The condition and characteristic of a vulgar person is that he never looks for either help or harm from himself, but only from externals. The condition and characteristic of a philosopher is that he looks to himself for all help or harm."

How to open this tissue well? years of practice haven't ended the job

After around two years involved in qigong and other asian systems of training, now I think that many people on this forum should think about being involved in a conceptual and theorical system which is many years old. Concepts like dantians, meridians or qi should be replaced by others which are not in so flagrant contradiction with modern science. It is not that I am scientificist or something, I really like the theoretical contributions of other paradigms, which can be as valid as those of modern science. But the fact is that a concept like dan tian is not empirically observable by a majority of people. This means we need to believe what some "master" or "guru" say. And why should we believe them? I have had many masters and some now I know they were quite ignorant. Maybe I haven't been lucky finding the right ones. But even so, if we want to focus on empiricism, direct experience of things, and logical thinking, then we shouldn't talk about dan tians, meridians or qi. We can use, instead, concepts like blood circulation, nymph, solar plexus, human anatomy, etc. This change of paradigm would not mean that qigong or taichi are not valid practices. A practice is always more important than the theory behind it. And if the practice is good then to admit that the theory behind it is not valid doesn't mean that the practice is less good. In conclusion, I think it is important to change paradigm and start using a more scientific terminology. That way we could improve our practices, our knowledge and we wouldn't take the risk of talking endlessly about things which have never existed just because some masters who are eager to sell themselves say it.

what if you do some exercise?

Nothing found if i search "wmp" or "wmps"

Who or what is wmps?

his interpretation is that chi kung is just breathing work. When we do the slow movements coordinated with the breathing this helps bring oxygen into all the cells of the body. It has the merit of trying to give a scientific explanation of qigong. But there are problems: some forms of qigong don't coordinate movements with breathing, and also some forms don't do slow movements at all.

yes, in the ancient greek tradition air (pneuma) was also the origin of life, the "thing" which gave life to living beings. When someone died it was believed that air left the body. And interestingly enough it also meant soul in ancient greek

this man is clever, that is what i was looking for. If we interpret chi as breath/air then everything becomes much more clear. Here you can read him: https://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/How_Does_Chi_Kung_Keeps_Us_Healthy.html

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can i add something too? ”The possibility that the akashic records is bullshit is too much for you to consider, you prefer to be deluded.”

belief... always belief, never proofs

the possibility that chi is a total delusion is too much for some of you to even consider, you prefer to be deluded

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Any thread in which this is done? I am very interested in reading scientific explanations of qigong And it is probably true i have never trained with a real master, as it is difficult in spain. Maybe that is a reason sometimes i feel disappointed with some trainers i have had, bc the money they charged me was quite real haha

Some of you are focusing only in the negative side of what I said, just because my personal opinion differs from your delusions. But let's do something positive. Why don't we try to give a scientific explanation of why qigong works, based on modern scientific knowledge?. That way it is not even necessary to depart from the classical view, as both paradigms can be used. I really think it is possible to explain qigong with modern science. It would be a very interesting and helpful task, which could help many practitioners to advance.

why? i like asian philosophies like buddhism and daoism, also practices like qigong. But one should talk seriously

think about him and his mission:

After doing fragrant qigong for more than 6 months, last year I decided to give flying phoenix a try. I bought two dvds to Terry Dunn and I practiced it for two months. I didn't like the practice to be honest, and I didn't feel much benefits, although I practiced it on a daily basis. I know this Terry Dunn knows how to sell this very well, and he has some adepts who practice it with almost religious passion. But I want to ask if some people also think that it just doesn't work. Does someone else think like me? Now I feel like I threw away my money, the promised results never came, and there are many things out there which are easier, cheaper and much more effective. What does the forum think about that?

do u think science will find a dan tian below the navel in the next say 10 years? or the kidney meridian?

I am beginning to think this is all a big delusion: qi, meridians, dan tians, etc. What are the proofs of their existence, besides "some people say it"?

Maybe we should start saying that dan tian only exists in our minds