MegaMind

After Kar3n and Dawei decided the best solution to the mo pai wars was to ban any member of our group on site, we left this forum for more than a year. All members that were not banned remained silent to avoid the ban hammer. It was amazing for us to watch as people not even related to our group were banned and labeled "mo pai sleeper agents". During this time the anti-mo-pai threads and nonsense did not stop, they just became a lot more one sided. It is important to us to defend ourselves, our practice and our teachers and so we will remain here so long as we are able. We can only hope that Sean if he hands the forum over to another person, that they do not share the same anti-mo-pai views Dawei and Kar3n did.

"initiated conflict in the initial thread by creating a new thread and calling me out, which under the old rules, was unacceptable." I created a new thread to try and appease the people complaining of derailment. Had I known how much of a problem this would cause, I would have just continued the discussion in the original thread despite the complaints of derailment. You were the main person pushing the "you can't learn by video" narrative so I directed it towards you so hopefully we could finish the discussion. "He claims that all learning can be done regardless of being official members or students because information is information, and proudly uses his example of tutoring people in mathematics in high school and college, but refuses to see the false equivalence logical fallacy he is employing," This view is obviously divorced from reality, because people can and do get PhDs in advanced engineering fields online. "edited out his mention of Mo Pai when I warned him not to mention it" I believe I referred to it as the system I study, and not directly as Mo Pai. "He refuses to apologize for any of the impious behavior" To me this is like you being angry at me for breathing, and demanding an apology because I am using up oxygen. I've tried my best to understand why you are upset, and I cannot grasp it. It does not make any sense, what-so-ever to me. "Jim was so desperate that he was planning on getting plastic surgery and spending time in tanning salons to look Asian and go back to the school in Java," This is not true, not even a little bit. "The WMP group is so desperate to learn more that they are attempting to fund a Chinese member to go infiltrate the group and get more instructions from the school in Java so that they can learn more beyond 2b," "paying to send a member of their group of Chinese heritage to go to Java to learn more and send it back to them" This is not true, not even a little bit. "Jim was given a response in his letter begging John Chang to teach him more to instead go learn from a nature spirit" This is not true, not even a little bit. "Above point contradicts WMP statement that they are rationalist freethinkers and often atheists because they don't believe in such things in spite of the school being overseen by ancestral spirits and JC's communion with nature spirits and other entities, as well as his own paranormal experiences" "They do require money from members of their group, charging fees to get a watermarked video of 2b from a third party and insisting that they sign an NDA so that they can sue anyone for leaking information, " We literally do not charge anyone, anything. We also do not accept donations of any type. "They prefer to create a non-subtle implication that they see themselves as members of the Mo Pai lineage, creating a false equivalence of being students of westerners who allegedly were more advanced than ASian members and preserving what was taught even if the school does not want or acknowledge them, continuously avoiding direct questions from Walker about whether or not they are part of the lineage," Jim and Kosta were students and we merely preserve what they brought back without alteration, nothing more and nothing less. "at least one suicide has occurred in their group due to the psychosis that develops from practicing the Mo Pai unsupervised, and allegedly there have been more." This is not true, not even a little bit. No one in our group has committed suicide. "Multiple cases of psychoses have arisen in the group" This is not true, not even a little bit. "some members have stalked others, including breaking into someone's house to get the instructions for the apocryphal level 3 and threatening them." Years ago a forum was registered publicly with the owners real name and address being displayed in a whois directory. There was a break in and the individual was looking for 2b information. This individual was a member of thedaobums, but not a member of our group. The forum owner then was forced to move and register again with a private registration. There are many more stories like this one. "cult members"

So I was not around for this, but I am told it was a pretty big deal back in the day. Evidently there was a member here on thedaobums, who was also a member of Ken's old public forum. He used the same username on both. He made comments about you on Ken's public forum which to be honest were very harsh, but the point being they were made on a different forum. Narew was banned from thedaobums for things he said on Ken's forum.

" You can easily just tell me names, or PM to me." No.

The only members of our group that were banned were the ones you knew were in our group.

There are many members of this forum that are members in our group. They don't speak of Mo Pai here openly because they would become a target. I can't answer your question as to who because of this.

Many in our group were students of Jim, and others of Kosta. Jim did record John providing instruction and we preserve that as well as everything else without any alteration.

It was a thread from an old public forum run by Ken. Things discussed in the thread were limited to publicly available information from Jim and Kosta's books. I can't answer that question because I don't even know most of those people, and others only barely.

That document is just a copy of a discussion in an open forum run years ago by Ken. The points raised are all things pulled from public works like the Magus of Java.

Literally none of that is true.

I am told they stopped using that because it proved uncomfortable, and instead decided to follow instructions.

We do not charge anyone, anything or accept donations period.

If you say so.

We don't charge anyone anything, nor do we accept donations of any kind.

Jim wasn't told to sit on a mat woven out of wire either.

I mean I can't say with certainty that Jim didn't consider getting plastic surgery. Then again I can't say with certainty that a guy I know hasn't considered becoming a neo-nazi juggalo, brony, furry for Jesus either. To the best of my knowledge though it was never even a consideration. Much like this nature spirit nonsense.

He didn't get plastic surgery nor did he attempt to get plastic surgery. We aren't paying a Chinese member to infiltrate the Indonesian school. I don't smoke pot. I don't live in a trailer. We don't charge anyone anything, nor accept any type of donation.

Jim didn't plastic surgery. John didn't tell Jim to go talk to fairies. We aren't working with the CIA to infiltrate the Indonesian school. I don't smoke pot. I don't live in a trailer. My name is not Jeremy, nor Imelda. We do not charge anyone, anything, nor accept any type of donations.

We don't charge anyone anything, nor accept any type of donation.

Jim did not get plastic surgery. John did not write to Jim telling him to go talk to fairies. I don't smoke pot. I don't live in a trailer. My name is not Jeremy, or Imelda.

LOL