MegaMind

To the best of my knowledge only heavily edited and altered things have been released, I have never seen the actual teachings in the wild. All the most important details always seem to be edited out for some strange reason, and new and "better" things added in their place.

In the new thread you had the question: "What schools currently practice?" Could you elaborate what you mean there? Also "How does Mo Pai compare with other traditions and practices?" Compare in what regard? Can you delve a little deeper into this. Thanks.

I am going to re-write the FAQ soon, with the new questions posted being the at the top.

According to Chinese thought, there are basically two types of training involving our vital energies: ch’ikung and neikung. ... ch’ikung centers on the development and control of yang ch’i (also called lii ch’i or “fire” ch’i), while neikung involves the joint employ- ment of yang ch’i and yin ch’i (called “water” ch’i or kann ch’i) The Magus Of Java Page 22 I use my yin and yang together as one; that is why I can do what I do. By itself, yang ch’i cannot pass the limits of the body.” “Neikung,” I had said. The Magus Of Java Page 13 Then John’s student came back; he had managed to find a straight razor at a local cutlery shop. John gave the ch’ikung master the razor and asked him to cut him anywhere he liked. Try as he might, the man could not hurt John, even though in the end he put all his power and emotion into it.” “What happened then?” I asked. “Nothing. The man had lost the contest.” “Did he become John’s student?” “No. He was too proud.” “Do you know why the man lost?” John asked suddenly from behind us. He had crept up silently and was listening in. “Because he had only yang ch’i?” I replied. “That’s correct. He was a dedicated practitioner, but he didn’t have all the proper information. What he did was ch’ikung, but not neikung. A man can train all his life and not get anywhere unless he is correct in his training. The Magus Of Java Page 96

Marketing is the wrong way to think about it. This is definitely not an environment where we could do "marketing." We also aren't selling anything. We are just here to do damage control.

Can you explain your question "What schools currently practice?" a bit more? "How does Mo Pai compare with other traditions and practices?" Can you give me some metrics you would like compared?

Jim recorded the instruction by his teacher John, of course you can create some new theory that it was deep-faked if you like. Also I agree with you that we shouldn't have to mention the wires bit, but unfortunately it seems that we do as it is something that repeatedly keeps coming up.

I updated the FAQ with more info on qigong vs neigong.

I will create a new thread asking for questions.

1 There is no such thing as WMP, there is only MP. MP is a system of neigong, not a system of qigong. 2 ""Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke There are many things modern science lacks paradigms to explain, we in fact are not nearly as advanced as we give ourselves credit for. There is nothing supernatural in the entire universe, and there can be nothing that is supernatural. If a thing exists, or an event occurs it must be by definition natural. Supernatural as a description of a thing or an event exists only because we lack the necessary scientific paradigms to explain it. If you were to show handheld CB radios to people from the 1400s you would be burned at the stake for witchcraft. They would lack the paradigms necessary to make sense of the technology. All of John's abilities, and yin spirits are purely natural. We encourage people to base their beliefs off objective video evidence, and their own first hand observations, and not accept things as true on faith, a book, or the personal testimony of other people. 3 The teachings for the levels we have are the same, if Jim had been allowed to continue his training, and he progressed to level 4, he would have been able to do such a demo without John providing a dense field of yin. PS If you have critically read Kosta's books this should be crystal clear. This question is best not delved into as it has been the cause of many arguments. Our purpose for pursuing the system is to practice something with good objective video evidence, showing doctors and scientists doing their best to rule out fraud occurring. We want to practice something with good evidence behind it, and we want to see for ourselves from our own training the reality of it.

@sean I placed a FAQ in my signature, I hope this is ok. If you think of any more questions I need to put there please let me know.

I don't think it will help at all, but I am willing to do a FAQ because Sean wants it done. Sean said to drop the request for a moratorium, so it's dropped.

I don't feel a FAQ will help the situation. The only reason I even agreed to do it is because Sean wants it done.

We are not affiliated with metacenterchicago.com that is someone else. There is no such thing as WMP, only MP. MP is a neikung school.

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/47734-ilovecoffee-is-banned/ As a brief recap a member was told not to reply further in a thread, and create another thread to continue the discussion. The member did as instructed and created a discussion in their PPD,. Their PPD was revoked for following the instruction provided by a moderator. In a later discussion this behavior was brought up politely, resulting in the member being banned having violated no rules whatsoever. It is my belief that you do indeed have a horse in this, despite the fact you claim otherwise. posts since removed https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/47711-mopai-only-open-to-ethnical-chinese/?do=findComment&comment=844647"I will have to disagree with you that every voice is allowed. Others are free to trash talk Mopai and our group as much as they want, and as often as they want, however, if we respond (respectfully I might add) to their attacks we are told we may no longer participate in the thread. If I quote them to respond to the attack in my PPD, my PPD is suspended for violating some unknown rule. The best I can do now is to not quote anyone and express myself in my PPD. The best the rest of the group can do is remain silent and not mention anything related to Mopai in their posts here for fear of being targeted. " After his post here disagreeing with you, the member was banned and the official explanation for this ban is located here:https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/47734-ilovecoffee-is-banned/"he did finally just create too much review on staff with his insistent cry that staff was biased, membership was biased"

A FAQ would be best hosted in a PPD to make revisions easier. It would still be necessary for us to quote parts of the FAQ in a discussion where it occurred, and would not be something we would only link to. Example: Anti-Mo-Pai Troll: Jim's cancer was caused by incorrect Mo Pai practice. Us: As per Mo Pai FAQ number 2 (located here) Jim's cancer was genomically linked to agent orange exposure, see studies x,y,z, and links to the VA department website for more information. If that is agreeable I will post a FAQ in a PPD, but only because it is something you are requesting be done. All the people we have met that expressed interest here in this forum have been told to message or email us privately, it isn't something we are actively going out and announcing.

100+ page, 1000+ post, flame wars that span years it is then.

There is no such thing as WMP, only MP. We aren't actively recruiting, we merely try and passively keep an eye out for like minded people who want to seriously pursue this practice.

Hi Zork, Our "goals" are merely to politely defend ourselves, our practice, and our teachers, and continue to look for like minded people who want to pursue this path.

The only alternative to this is flame-wars that last hundreds of pages, thousands of posts, and span years. We have a private forum, and I don't know of any threads on reddit that we created. Also there is no such thing WMP, there is only MP.

The only alternative to this is flame-wars that last hundreds of pages, thousands of posts, and span years. These are in my opinion every bit as disruptive to the community as the pro trump, right wing nonsense, and the solution for that was a moratorium, and banning the trolls behind it. The behavior displayed by these hostile individuals in my opinion is exactly the same as the right wing reactionary nonsense, same behavior just a different topic.

I certainly appreciate that, but the problem here is the community here is hostile and a FAQ isn't going to change that one bit. Example: Hostile neocon: Did you hear those evil LIBRUL SOBS EAT BABIES!!! Liberal apologist: As per our FAQ number 21, We do not in fact eat babies. We are however support a woman''s right to terminate her pregnancy. Hostile neocon: YOU EVIL SOB!!! YOU SLAUGHTER CHILDREN!!! Liberal apologist: As per our FAQ number 28 we do not grant person-hood status to unborn fetuses. Hostile neocon: FAQ YOU! YOU EVIL SONS O BRICHES NEED TO GET SHOT IN YER HEAD WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU KILLIN BABIES! Etc.. It isn't going to fix this mess at all, and it will still be necessary to explain our side when the topic comes up, even having a FAQ pinned. A major concern is that if you choose to step down from the forum again and place people like Dawei and Kar3n in charge their solution will just be to ban members of our group whenever they speak out even politely and even when not violating any rules whatsoever. Having a FAQ to hide behind in such a scenario won't help. The easy solution when conflicts like this come up is to ban the smaller group, and that is what will wind up happening again. The only other solution I can see short of a complete moratorium here would be a new rule instituted whereby ALL Mo Pai discussion that comes up gets moved to a private access sub-forum, and only allowed there. I or another member would have admin status in this private Mo Pai sub-forum with the ability to remove people as they cause drama and troll. I can go ahead and tell you now that this is a terrible idea and you'll have several of the most vocal anti-mo-pai trolls screaming at the top of their lungs about their constitutional right to disrupt, troll, and cause problems in the mo pai sub-forum. I know this because I've seen it happen in a group member's PPD, where an entitled troll went on a rampage for having their posts removed. The only real solution to this that I or any other member of our group can see is a complete and total moratorium on Mo Pai discussion here.

We do our best to present our case logically and reasonably, that is all. I certainly agree there is a lot of the things you list occurring, but not so much from our group. We answer everything we can without dousing the fire with gasoline.

I don't think any members of our group enjoy being here one bit, and we certainly have better things to do with our time. Our reason for being here is to defend ourselves, our practice, and our teachers, and to look for like minded individuals who feel this path is for them.

No such thing WMP, and we answer all we can without causing more conflict and drama.