MegaMind

Hi Sean, I will do my best to put forth a an ELI5 in just a second.

Zork, Our practice is not some extremely limited qigong exercise as you suggest. I know based on my own observations this is life changing, it is as big a deal as first contact, and it would change the world and all our paradigms. Unfortunately we do not have the power to force people to see for themselves, if we did we would certainly use it. I disagree about zen meditation and qigong systems getting "stronger experiences". We don't answer because we can't, not because we don't want to. You will notice this thread began with taking about a video of how information and practices are corrupted by a game of telephone / "Chinese whispers", and it is devolved into this. Any time any of us say anything the result is the same. Being unable to say anything anytime without it becoming a 50+ page argument is indeed unwelcome and and not constructive behavior. I find it similar behavior to the political threads where the right wing trolls prevented any left leaning people from expressing an opinion without a war erupting. Different topic but exactly the same behavior.

Thanks

If you say so.

Thelerner started a discussion about mo pai, except there was never one bit of actual discussion on mo pai. I would love to openly speak more about it, so would the rest of the group. The problem is as soon as the other members open their mouths here, they become a target. It is just like politics, mention you are an atheist socialist to a bunch of southern baptist ultra right wing neoconservatives and see what happens as a result. The environment here is not one where we can openly talk about our life and our practice, without having it used as ammunition to attack us with later. The best thing we can hope for is a moratorium on all mo pai discussion here, we have no reason to defend something if no one else can attack it. Everyone would benefit. Just my $0.02

138 posts vs 11,012 posts.

We have been as respectful as is possible, while politely defending ourselves, our teachers, and our practice. Our behavior is not the problem.

Zork, It is clear to me you are very angry about something, what exactly I am unsure. I hope one day you are able to make peace with whatever it is, and realize our group are not "the bad guys".

Our group is not the problem. We are not trolling, not even passively. We merely politely defend ourselves, our teachers, and our practice and continue to look for other like minded individuals.

There is no such thing as WMP, there is only MP. As far as I can see we have been as respectful as is possible while defending ourselves, our practice and our teachers. I agree that the problem is the behavior of a group, just not our group.

There is no such animal as WMP there is only MP. We practice a neikung system it is not a qigong system.

There is no such thing as WMP, there only is MP. Many in our group were students of the top western student, this is how knowledge is transmitted, from student to teacher.

There is no such thing as WMP, only MP. We are not after recognition, or prestige, we only hope to find like minded people who share the same goals. The system we study is a neikung system, not a qigong system.

The system we practice is a neikung system. We provide the original teachings brought back to us from the top western student, on video and free of charge. We are not "scammers". There is no such thing as WMP, only MP.

Web based irc works just dandy, what about a channel on freenode?

These are not half truths. Our group does not charge anyone anything.

Our teacher was the top western student, the system is a system of neikung.

He didn't force anyone do anything, the elders of the school did. His hands were tied, and they even removed him as head of the school for his decision to teach westerners. Our teacher did reach a level higher than many Asian students. Certainly when people alter original instruction, just like the orginal video this thread was split from, having video from the horses mouth is crucial, otherwise you wind up going from motorcycle rider to window washer.

There is no difference, the teachings are the same.

Yes.

There is no WMP, nor EMP, only MP. Our practice is the same system of neikung as the asian students.

No attempt at deflection.

You are combining terminologies and methodologies from different systems, as such your question is non sequitur.