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I ask please that you be respectful in discussion of his death, unlike the fiasco Jim McMillan received here when he died. John Chang died February 5th 2020. John's death was caused due to a fall, and internal bleeding in his brain. He was in his 80s at the time of his death. John healed numerous patients and housed and fed students all at his own expense without accepting any form of payment or donation. John sacrificed his standing as head of the Mo Pai school to try and help people who begged him to train them. He agreed to let scientists and medical doctors into his home to examine him. He allowed books to be written about him to help keep as much of the art alive as he could. I personally am grateful for all that he endured to make this information available to us. Thank you John for everything you have done for us.

It is only dangerous if people cannot follow instruction exactly, or if they mix and match practices to blend together something new, or if they fail to observe clear safety precautions. It is like building a fire, if you are respectful of what it is and don't try play with it and carry the red hot coals in your hands you can avoid being burned by it. If you treat fire as something to play with, and you do not give it the proper respect you can seriously injure yourself.

He is just pining for the fjords.

Defamation, libel, slander are all things people do bring lawsuits over, but we neither have the money or energy to endure such an ordeal, not to mention as such matters become a public record it means we would be exposing ourselves to more nonsense. If we had the money we would buy the forum, implement a moratorium on Mo Pai discussion across the board, and call it a day. This would end the eternal flame war here. Unfortunately the best strategy we have without being rich, is to be here in person to set the record straight about who we are, who our teachers are, and and what our practice is actually about.

Indeed 12 year olds do see it and think that, but that is not the point of the system. People who want to be Son Goku are not people we can help. Also you are very right about it being dangerous. If people fail to adhere to safety precautions, or if they mix and match practices because they are "eclectic", if they cannot follow instruction exactly as provided, then they can and they do get seriously injured.

No it is absolutely true. We aren't here because we want to be here, we are here to defend ourselves, our practice, and our teachers from the never ending mudslinging battle. This is more a situation where we have to be here, rather than we want to be.

Our approach is to base our beliefs off the best objective video evidence we have, and our own first hand observation. We view accepting things as true on faith, the personal testimony of others, or because a book says so to not be an acceptable method to form new beliefs. We encourage people to be rational and reasonable, rather than accepting things as true without good objective evidence.

Please explain it to me. If not you is there anyone else that can explain this mindset?

Ralis, No one in our group wants to be here to defend ourselves, our practice, and our teachers from the constant personal attacks and nonsense that this board spews at us. Not one member of our group wants to be here. However we do have an obligation to defend ourselves, so we are here to do that. Do you not think a moratorium on Mo Pai discussion would be a better solution to the problem than endless flame wars?

Best not to try and have a serious discussion about John Chang or Mo Pai here, it is an environment which is hostile to its discussion. Just my $0.02

I thought you might like this in reference to your situation:

Yes.

None in our group are here to troll, we are merely here to defend ourselves, our teachers, and our practice.

What do you find insulting? Also being called a wimp is certainly a personal insult.

What do you find insulting?

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John invited a team of scientists and medical doctors to strip him to his shirt and underwear, be checked with a metal detector for devices at a random location they chose to verify his abilities. You just tell us you can run faster than the speed of light and shoot eye lasers, seriously you actually claimed that. Even still we don't know if what John said was true or accurate, we only know that he claimed that. It is true that at this point in time Mo Pai and Tummo are the only practices we have objective video evidence for beyond personal testimony.

There are rumors about a lot of things, it is true we don't release training material to people we have not absolutely and totally vetted first, we however do not charge them a dime, nor accept donations from them. We respect Jim and John, sort of in the same way we respect Neil Armstrong, Albert Einstein, Tesla, etc. We certainly don't worship them though. Jim did go further than many Indonesian students, and this was confirmed in a letter to Jim from John, the rest all we can say is that is what John said and we cannot verify the veracity of the claims John made. You are absolutely wrong that the practice isn't a technology, and that it doesn't work. It absolutely works, and anyone who cares to put in the effort can see for themselves. Yes, people who cannot follow instruction exactly or mix and match practices, or refuse to follow safety precautions do cause themselves major damage, and this is why it is so important we screen people to weed out people who are like this. Tummo and Mo Pai are the only arts for where there is objective evidence for, that is something more than personal testimony of other people. In the future I hope this changes. Some in our group have invested thousands of dollars traveling to see teachers like Wang Liping, and Micheal Lomax, and Max Christensen, and many many more teachers, the only thing any of us have to show for it are lighter wallets and a sense of disillusionment. Our organization is open to anyone who is actually serious, and while the mo pai system is a set practice that cannot be changed we do continue to search for other practices like Tummo with good objective evidence backing them.

No we do not charge anyone anything, nor do we accept donations. If we had the money to purchase this forum, we would place a moratorium on all Mo Pai discussion, both for and against the practice. It would not be a recruitment forum for Mo Pai.

"MoPai Witnesses" No, if we had the money to buy this forum from Sean we would simply place a moratorium on all Mo Pai discussion, there would be discussion on the forum about it at all. We do not want to be here to witness to anyone, and we are only here to defend ourselves, our teachers, and our practice, a moratorium would mean we would not have to fight here anymore. "I have to call "Western MoPai" a cult" We are a group of freethinkers, we base our beliefs off the best objective evidence available to us, and our own first hand observations. We do not accept donations, nor do charge anyone anything. We do not worship any spirits, demons, gods, or humans. Nothing is accepted as true on faith. We don't live in a commune. There is no religious dogma, or philosophy to adhere to or believe in. This is merely a simple practice and a technology, just like making a fire with a bow tool and sticks. Anyone who wants to see for themselves certainly can do so. This is as anti-cult, as anti-cult can possibly be.

Placing a moratorium on Mo Pai discussion would have many beneficial effects. 1. People come here looking for instruction on Mo Pai and are fed nothing but lies and disinformation, they practice something other than Mo Pai, then blame Mo Pai when they get sick. Stopping the spread of false information would help prevent more people injuring themselves, and the reputation of the practice. 2. The discussion of the practice here has never been anything other than a mud slinging contest. It has always been a constant fight, and argument. Most people here and everywhere else are sick of it, and Dawei and Kar3n's answer to this outrage was simply to ban the group defending the practice, and allow the people attacking it to remain. A moratorium is a better solution than either an eternal flame war, or silencing only the ones defending the practice. Of course this is not what Sean wishes, but if we had the money to buy the forum from him, it is what we would implement to stop the war.

We are a group of freethinkers, we base our beliefs off the best objective evidence available to us, and our own first hand observations. We do not accept donations, nor do charge anyone anything. We do not worship any spirits, demons, gods, or humans. Nothing is accepted as true on faith. We don't live in a commune. There is no religious dogma, or philosophy to adhere to or believe in. This is merely a simple practice and a technology, just like making a fire with a bow tool and sticks. Anyone who wants to see for themselves certainly can do so. This is as anti-cult, as anti-cult can possibly be.

What do we choose if we think you can't travel faster than the speed of light, can't shoot lasers out of your eyes, don't have a harem made up of goddesses, never fought a 100,000 year old ancient Naga demon, and can't open portals to other dimensions, and that you need to be on some heavy anti-psychotics if you honestly believe these things?

The system I study had hundreds of people who died trying to refine the methods, not die of old age, but of incorrect methods. If you want to blaze your own trail and be your own lab rat be prepared to pay that price. My advice is find a system, just one, and stick with that one. Don't modify the practice, add to it, change it, deviate from it, etc. When you start mixing practices and doing new things you get health problems. My advice is using a grounding wire, connected to an actual grounding rod outside in the ground (not an outlet) to ground yourself during sleep. Eat well, and make sure you get 8 hours minimum sleep per night. Exercise and stop doing any forms of meditation and practice until these symptoms subside.

The system I study had hundreds of people who died trying to refine the methods, not die of old age, but of incorrect methods. If you want to blaze your own trail and be your own lab rat be prepared to pay that price. My advice is find a system, just one, and stick with that one. Don't modify the practice, add to it, change it, deviate from it, etc. When you start mixing practices and doing new things you get health problems. My advice is using a grounding wire, connected to an actual grounding rod outside in the ground (not an outlet) to ground yourself during sleep. Eat well, and make sure you get 8 hours minimum sleep per night. Exercise and stop doing any forms of meditation and practice until these symptoms subside.