Roshawn Terrell

Thank you, I think I see what you mean. It's another vantage point. Why later?

Thank you for your feedback, i'll look into the bai hui. I'll also heed your caution regarding these practices, I have heard of the danger. I figured maybe as I experiment, if I felt something was wrong, I'd stop, and if I felt something was right, i'd go further down that path. And hopefully that would be a useful tool for guiding me. If not, I was thinking of going to one of Mantak Chia's retreats when I got the chance. As I have so many questions, and I know that working with a master will take me much further much faster than on my own.

But again, what is the point of it, if these things you attain don't even give you control over yourself? If you're still just a slave to sexual impulses. What's the point of this 'awakening,' 'enlightenment,' and immortality if you are still an 'asshole'. These seem like lower level goals, and it seems best that I should focus on developing myself, and building true artificial intelligence, so that if there does exists states beyond this. It can achieve them far beyond humans as a well. And regardless of what any human has managed to achieve, there is likely still far more that we have yet to even grasp. What's the point of immortality through this path if it can be achieved through technological means?

My point exactly, so what is the point of developing spirit? Do you gain power? Doesn't seem like it as the person still can't even control themselves. You're fine, my goal is to only understand. If the model I have is incorrect, please let me know. My real question though, regardless of practice, was what was that powerful thing I felt? And how the hell could I produce such an experience from what is essentially, mere focused and controlled masturbation? From a western scientific perspective, we literally have no model to describe something like that. It's like us trying to describe the psychedelic experience, it's completely outside of our current scientific understanding. In regards the practice, I accept the possibility that I could be wrong, but I do feel like there is something to sexual qigong and tantra. And based off of my research, I think these practices are meant to be done with one person, and one person only, and you dedicate yourself to that person. Not as an excuse to go around and have sex with whomever, though I can easily see how it can be misconstrued as that. Especially when you don't have integrity within yourself. I really like this website on Tantra practices: https://www.sivasakti.com/

In regards to the discussion to the heart. There's this book I got called the 'Yaqui Way of Knowledge' based on the teachings of a Yaqui Indian from Sonora by the name of Don Juan. I haven't read it yet for some reason.. But what made me get it was this review of it. "You may find this book has a lot of chaff on how they prepare peyote and other drugs, mundane descriptions in diary... yet when you less expect it, they hit you with a boulder of wisdom that leaves you freezed.There is ONE core idea in the book that makes the price tag disappear. You cannot pay for it. It goes like this:"Anything is one of a million paths. Therefore you must always keep in mind that a path is only a path; if you feel you should not follow it, you must not stay with it under any conditions. To have such clarity you must lead a disciplined life. Only then will you know that any path is only a path and there is no affront, to oneself or to others, in dropping it if that is what your heart tells you to do. But your decision to keep on the path or to leave it must be free of fear or ambition. I warn you. Look at every path closely and deliberately. Try it as many times as you think necessary.This question is one that only a very old man asks. Does this path have a heart? All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. They are paths going through the bush, or into the bush. In my own life I could say I have traversed long long paths, but I am not anywhere. Does this path have a heart? If it does, the path is good; if it doesn't, it is of no use. Both paths lead nowhere; but one has a heart, the other doesn't. One makes for a joyful journey; as long as you follow it, you are one with it. The other will make you curse your life. One makes you strong; the other weakens you.Before you embark on any path ask the question: Does this path have a heart? If the answer is no, you will know it, and then you must choose another path. The trouble is nobody asks the question; and when a man finally realizes that he has taken a path without a heart, the path is ready to kill him. At that point very few men can stop to deliberate, and leave the path. A path without a heart is never enjoyable. You have to work hard even to take it. On the other hand, a path with heart is easy; it does not make you work at liking it."Ever since I read the book I have followed that advice. Life blossoms with a feeling of realness." I feel like this teaching relates immensely. And even though I felt disagreement with freeform in his assessment that the Tao doesn't concern itself with Love or the Heart. I did resonate with him when his that the Tao of the universe was not Love or Heart. Perhaps as maybe alluded to in the passage above. The Heart is what guides one on the Path, but is not the Path itself.

Can you help me understand what you mean by spiritual development? And is this a path one should choose? And if so why? And why do people who do choose it still become 'assholes'? For me, they and all of you can follow your own goals, but if I don't feel in my heart that I should travel down a path, I won't take it. Regardless of how 'realized' that path makes you. Also, can some of you comment on my question I posted regarding Taoist sexual qigong? I feel the experience you guys have might shed light on mine. I'm still very new to all this, and as a scientist who strives to understand the world. I find this all very fascinating and rife with potential if we can understand these phenomena you all and the i'm sure small in comparison (and yet still profound for me) things I have experienced. Using scientific tools to build a cohesive model of what you're all touching on here. Actually I feel a combination of western science and these eastern (esoteric inner sciences) of the mind/body would actually benefit both. And could allow us to build a clearer model that shows from physics, physiological, and biological perspectives what's going on here? Which intern would help solve this problem of diluting the practices, as we could objectively begin to see where there is cross over. And the fact that there seems to be so much cross over, shows that you are all likely touching on the same phenomena. But are using different models to explain it. Just like how in western sciences there are multiple different competing models and theories to explain the same thing. You especially see this in the field of physics. And it is through competition and sex between ideas, that drives the evolution and progress of science. I feel if what freeform describes is correct, that Taoist Qigong might be a good place to start, as there are objective physiological changes in the body that can be observed. With better observational tools, such as EEG headsets that detect brainwaves, it may be possible to detect changes or see patterns that masters without these tools couldn't detect themselves.

Hey there, my name is Roshawn, I'm 23 years old. I stumbled upon this forum while doing some research into Taoist Qigong, specifically Mantak Chia's teachings. I've been experimenting with his stuff for almost a year now. I first came across him from his interview on London Real. I found his stuff interesting, i'm more of a scientist/research type (I actually study the brain and AI/ML research), so I figured I'd test what he was teaching to see if it was legit myself. Based off of just a few months of experimenting with some of his teachings on Taoist sexual qigong, I felt some pretty incredible things. And this pretty much concluded for me the realization and acceptance of the fact that there is not only something to this. But that there's likely so much that western science has barely even touched on, and that eastern practices have already explored. I have so many questions, and I feel when the time comes I'll eventually train directly under a master like Mr. Chia. I'm still experimenting, and based off of what I've experienced so far, there's a whole host of questions I have that I would very much like guidance on.