Giles

My initial thought is to ask a few questions to clarify the (hypothetical?) situation. The first question is to ask if this is a purely hypothetical situation or if it's grounded in reality? The second is to ask about the specifics details of the lie. The third is to ask whether the "liar" is consciously lying (in case this answer didn't emerge from the answer to the second question).

It is also what you love most in others.

Back on topic to Rex's recommendation of Charlie Morley as a source of practical advice on the Shadow (while we’re waiting to find out if Nungali's managed to move beyond his current theoretical issues). I was sufficiently intrigued by the first 5 minutes of Rex's video that I picked up Morley’s books in the hope that I’d find something useful in them for the purposes of this this thread and I wasn’t disappointed. As soon as I reached Chapter 2 of his Dreaming Through Darkness, I discovered where he'd found the quote he attributed to Jung. 👇🏻 I was a bit surprised to hear this asserted in Morley's video because I don’t recall reading it in Jung (but then again it’s been a few decades since I read his works) and in my experience 100% of the Shadow is pure gold. I also found that by accessing and reclaiming** the Shadow, people become Self-actualised and some even go on to discover the transcendent aspects of this work. * C.G. Jung, quoted in D. Patrick Miller, ‘What the Shadow Knows: An Interview with John A. Sanford’ in Meeting the Shadow: Hidden Power of the Dark Side of Human Nature, eds Connie Zweig and Jeremiah Abrams, Jeremy P. Tarcher, 1990, p.21 ** Using an adaptation of the Internal Family System. Exiles obviously correspond to the dark Shadow, while the Self corresponds to the golden Shadow. At this point, it’s probably also worth pointing out that those who are able to “hang on for the ride" discover that everything is Self and everything is golden. But that’s for another day.

Oh dear...🙁 You’re unhappy because you disagree with my opinions about Jung’s Shadow theory and you believe that you’re going to feel happy if you can either force me to change the title of the thread to Giles’ Shadow Theory: Practical Applications or run this thread off topic by continuing to heckle? That’s really sad. 😔 I can but hope that I’ve misunderstood. 🤞🏻 Only time will tell...

Reminds me of a couple of things that Epictetus apparently said, and

Maybe I should make a request change my username to Shadow_Dancer? 🤔

That's interesting but also off topic as it has zero practical application (if you'll pardon the pun?).

Yes, I can (but that would be off topic and I'm not going to help you in your ongoing attempt derail my own thread 🙄). I've not the faintest idea how anyone could possibly know what someone's theory is without bothering to read it. However , as I have "bothered to read it", your question's entirely irrelevant (both to me & to my purpose. 😉).

I’m glad that I didn't get around to hiding this thread after my 48 hour deadline expired (as I’d originally intended) because eventually your post brought it back on topic. Thanks Rex! Lesson learned... 🙂 The first 5 minutes Morley’s video seems to cover most of what I wrote earlier, including the fact that Jung’s Shadow theory is perfectly comprehensible without reading any Jung because the Shadow is not actually Jung’s original discovery. Nor is it anyone else’s original discovery, as I learned myself some years after I stumbled across my own Shadow. Jung personalised his own experience, generalised it, popularised it and projected it onto the rest of humanity. That’s invariably the wont of aspiring messiahs who haven’t accessed and integrated that aspect of their own Shadow (which isn’t to say that many people do not gain immense benefits from Jung’s legacy). In hindsight, I wouldn’t have chosen this thread title for what this thread morphed into but at the outset I’d intended to use this thread for a purpose that was then forbidden by one of the moderatos who also invited me to repurpose it instead of deleting it or moving it to a personal area of the forum. I’ll look into Morley’s work further because on the evidence of the first 5 minutes of this video, it looks quite interesting, despite the fact that I disagree with some of the points he made.

That's an interesting theory based on the conventional majority view but an examination of the nature of dreaming can be used to reveal that the world has no more reality than a lucid dream. Alternatively, the conventional belief in the existence of the world can be deconstructed by a myriad of other methods. However, those are two completely different topics. The topic of this thread is the practical applications of Jung's theory about the Shadow. \thread ends\ (unless anyone gets back on topic within 48 hours.) 😉

Ultimately, if you're able to get onboard, light the touch paper and hold on until the end of the ride, you'll discover that everything is a projection.

So, in conclusion, the nitty gritty is that one effective way of accessing your Shadow is simply to look at how you view others then find and own <that> (which you recognise in them) in yourself as well. Remember, if you weren't like <that> yourself, you would be unable to (re)cognise <it> in others. This practice can decathect massive amounts of bound energy, which is invaluable for constructive endeavours. Be warned. ⚠️ It can be a wild and terrifying ride, which is why most don't even get onboard, except by accident... /thread ends/ (unless someone has something add). 😉

I appreciate this reminder about Bly's work. I found his Iron John was a fascinating read and I've just added A little Book on The Human Shadow to my reading list because that quote from it rings true. Thank you.

Thank you for your contribution Yueya, although, in fact, this is a misunderstanding and therefore a misinterpretation of my intent, which is to discuss the possibility that some can own not only their own darkness but also their own illumination granted to them directly by accessing their own golden Shadow, instead of projecting either it or their own darkness onto others. If you read back, you'll note that I've actually refused an invitation to turn this thread into an autobiography.

Basically, whatever you are able to see in others but unable to see in yourself is your Shadow. There are two aspects to that Shadow, the "bad" stuff and the "good" stuff. The golden Shadow is the "good" stuff that you see in others but not in yourself.

Thanks Bindi! I don't approach dream interpretation either with myself or with clients in the way that Jung seems to have approached it. Nevertheless, I'm glad that his work on dreams is useful for your own Shadow work.

As I've said, I personally find Jung too convoluted to be of practical value (in 30 years of experience of working directly with both my own and others). When I came across his writings, I considered myself extremely fortunate that I'd encountered my Shadow directly and also been lucky enoughto be able to hang on for the frankly terrifying first part of the ride up to the point that I was given acess yo the golden aspects.

Given two unexpected reactions to my last post (from Bindi and Nungali), I've rewritten that post, as I saw that it was considerably lacking in clarity. Sorry!