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Hello, This is just something I've been wondering for awhile and would like to get some other people's insight on. So one of the most basic exercises people give to be able to feel qi for the first time is creating an energy ball generally by just holding it or doing some back and forth motions to get the hands moving. I hold my hands just a little bit apart like 10 inches or so.. 25cm I think and the sensation starts and it feels like an exchange of information between the two and almost like opposing magnets. You can kinda direct it to spin a bit too like going up one hand down then down the other. This is just me experimenting right now. But the question is is there any benefit to doing this, like just holding it in place for awhile. Does it build Qi. Increase sensitivity? Can you then use that accumulated Qi for a purpose? Does it flow through the rest of your channels up your arms etc? Again I'm wondering if this is something worth practicing rather than just being a repeatable unique feeling?

I think many of them do, but you have a lot of human error and opinions added in over time that becomes tradition which people then get indoctrinated into to be part of the group so the original message gets entirely hidden or loses its focus. Then you end up with something that isn't remotely what it was intended to be originally. This is the typical track of religions. Which is why something like studying esoteric information is valuable or philopsohies such as the Dao so you can start to see beyond the superficial coverings people place upon the truth. There is a great Daskalos quote I can summarize its similar to the Blind men and the Elephant parable. He said the truth is like a many facted Jewel. Each major religion is one facet of that jewel all containing their own unique things for those people at that time, but you need all sides of the jewel to get the whole truth, so each has its value but no one system contains the absolute truth. A great example of this though it's a hard one for religious people is how much Christianity can be improved by an understanding of Eastern religions it fills in a lot of the blanks and tough questions. By likewise the focus on compassion, love humility and service in Christianity can really help the other systems.

Thanks quite a few things to experiment with there that all sound very useful, I especially like no.2 lol not just for family either. I'm not very good at visualizing an energy or light shield/bubble so it sounds very practical, and I feel incredibly vulnerable when I first wake up. I don't think I mentioned it in the original post. But to me its a rather instant and potent feeling that I can reproduce with either hand on its own too at this point.

Now I'm curious if you mean the warm up one or MSW 3 which makes sense. I'm wondering cause I never learned the warm ups on Volume 2 because of time constraints .

Somehow I also didn't notice maybe due to focusing on looking through rather than the sensation, till I made this post. The first exercise of Flying Phoenix is also technically one of these. Monk Gazing at the moon. But I prefer my hands to be more vertical than curved like in that practice as I get way more feeling out of the Lao Gong point that way so it feels very different than Monk Gazing at the Moon.

That was perfect. Checked out this video and he explained it very well in the intro with a little guided practice. I had forgotten I had watched one of his videos a few years ago about a similar topic.

The simple answer to why it is so strange, is because it got co-opted by Rome early on and removed tons of the truth like Reincarnation the ascent of the soul to its true divine nature and more through councils so the original tradition had to go underground, but still exists today as Esoteric Christianity but even that has tons of sects/beliefs. The best I've found to the closest to the original is likely Rosicrucians.. well some of them, some are more questionable as many groups claim that title now. And the possible original inner tradition still going through Daskalos' teachings and group the Researchers of Truth, formerly the white lodge or brotherhood who supposedly regularly have 7 or so incarnated Bodhisattva masters on the earth working privately till some Racist folks in history screwed that name up for everyone. There is also the concept of two streams of Judaism through Moses, then Akhenaten which this group says is the same soul in sequential lives. Moses' tradition is most of the Old testament where it got conquered and corrupted by outside practices many times. The other became the Essenes and stayed for the most part pure/and non violent and healers. The books of the prophets were likely these guys constantly calling out the other group for falling. These streams reemerged as the Original Christianity thus why it's so confusing. because everything from both streams flowed into one with all the baggage and stuff it picked up along the way. The Essenes mostly disappeared into just becoming the first Christians. Later groups like the Templars were said to have been given the inner teachings of the symbol or tree of life by their remnants in Cyprus during the Crusades. which likely spawned our current western esoteric systems which is why they are similar but also quite different. Books like The Magus of Strovolos is a good introduction to this man and system. but he also wrote several himself of teachings and practices and Daniel Joseph one of his student's The whale series also goes into depth about the teachings. https://researchersoftruth.com/

The weird part is in some Orthodox maybe.. But certainly in the esoteric traditions of like Daskalos (Stylianos Atteshilis) a Western Bodhisattva that I'm into. Mary was a virgin birth as well as an incarnated Arch Angel making her the perfect vessel for giving birth to Divinity I suppose. According to them as well, John the Baptist, and John the cousin of Jesus were also incarnated Arch angels through Virgin births sent in to be his servants. There is the verse about Elizabeth conceiving John the Baptist when she was old and barren this is likely referring to this after editing. Since Jesus can be the only one to christians. This is all according to the Akashic record/ this mystics abitilty to enter at-one-ment With Jesus or could be called Theosis. Yes it's all speculative for us less evolved souls. But he seems very trustworthy there are several posts about him on here. Also From the book Joshua Immanuel the christ which is an akashic gospel he wrote through these means and his own past life as an Essene Novice at the time. I'm kinda of that radical belief anything is possible so for the divine to able to just poof a woman pregnant and materialize a life within her isn't that weird to me. These beings can supposedly just manifest a body out of the Aether if they want to show up here. The better question is why would they take human births then unless it was truly significant.

I have a question regarding Monk Gazing at the moon. I'm wondering if it's meant to double as a one pointed focus concentration building meditation because it seems perfect for it. As in You're Gazing at an object or point in space through your fingers and are holding your focus on it as well as you can unbroken to build extended concentration. I imagine if the moon was there that's what would be intended? Or kinda zone out and focus more on the energetic sensation? If the moon is out should you try and time it near a moonrise or moonset so its straight ahead if you have no elevation near you, or lie on your back? Bending the neck back to look up seems like it could cause health issues with the neck.

Thanks for the reply. I clearly just got the date entirely wrong haha but it explains that he was already really into it, maybe he grew up on David Carradine and old Kung Fu movies. For some reason I thought it was early 90s shows how little I know about basketball history. And yes it's the joys of clicking on a random page due to an entirely unrelated search on this thread and finding absolute gold! That whole page was great with all the Kuan Yin stuff as well. page 223

Hello Sifu Terry. This isn't a very serious question but it made me wonder and laugh. Based on this video and how you said Shaq was very into it. It made me wonder...do you think the 1994 video game I remember as a kid called Shaq fu on the Sega genesis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Fu Was possibly directly or indirectly inspired by you and your lessons? Related

Thank you @senseless virtue Very good post the ginger part is fascinating to me because before I saw it I was really feeling this intuitive pull to ginger and even got these ginger drinks from trader joes for Christmas from my brother that are basically a tbsp or two of ginger powder you mix with water. It feels so energizing and refreshing. The blood cleansing aspect intrigued me.

Certainly! I'm aware its not the best but I'm just a human making my way along the path. I'll get there eventually and I'm learning as I go. At the moment it helps and Hinders me I'm incredibly aware of how each happens. So I don't reccomend it to people. Without I never would have gone as far as I've have in the past 5 years or so and coulda been stuck in protestant mainstream Christianity rather than going to the very deep side of the occult using that foundation to skip all the bs, by following my curiosity but I also have backed off from the Chinese alchemical side and I see that as a place it could be a huge hindrance.. but who knows really? I do qigong now mainly for the health benefits and to advance spiritually. Man now I feel bad for revinig this post. What senseless virtue posted was What I was searching for i just forgot the old timey word of calling if pot lol.

Thanks for the response. I might have been a bit much on my commentary about dogma but I deal with a lot of it on religious side so it can be ant easy straw man for me to create. But it also becomes very easy to identify in all aspects of life. I'll fully admit im inexperienced with meditation only 6 years or so after 10 of religion and theology even college level. Though it's interesting I listened to Damo Mitchels podcast earlier and he's who I originally started with in qigong/neigong. But he mentioned meditation being good for discerning truth and seeing through falsehood and this is something that I do well at though I may be lacking the deep mystical experiences of many here. Not related to this topic particularly, but it seems to be working though I still have a long way to go.

Definitely, but they have their place and use when used responsibly. A lot of stigma from people sounds almost dogmatic from people who have no relationship with it. I'm not judging them just making observations over long periods. Those who don't use or have no desire more power to them and I'm happy for their decision. It's kinda a thing of not being able to go back, not addiction wise but knowledge and experience wise to see things differently. This is kinda a universal concept on any deep or occulted topic.

Interesting topic. I was wondering if there was one of these. Just from my experience Weed makes the feeling of Qi way stronger and more noticeable. I don't do it all the time but sometimes I'll do my practices after coming down and it feels way more potent. Your mind isn't hazy if you are used to it and it can be an altered meditative state it places you in opening up doors to inspiration and increased psychic Awareness.. now the latter part can be a burden sometimes. All this is just from my personal experience and opinion. The first time I truly felt the ability to project qi from my palm with my outgoing breath was when I was high. I'm also the kind of person who when drunk doesn't lose any coordination or mental faculties just become more friendly and confident unless it's an exceptional amount, so maybe that has something to do with it. But unlikely because Weed can quickly become overwhelming if out of your league. Another one I'll mention was the first time I tried LSD around when I was first starting Daoist breathing practices around 5 years ago. When on LSD due to the heightened brain function and awareness I was able to Feel my lower dantian and breathe straight into it feeling a pulsing or vibration as the Qi descended. I kinda intuited this pump like sensation on pumping down on the outgoing breath. I still can't do that normally. These things can be valuable tools but shouldn't be relied upon.

Had a very interesting sensation after practicing earlier today. I've been doing the volume one standing set for a few months now. And for my birthday a week ago I got the Volume 2 dvd. I Usually do roughly 3 at a time. Since the recommendation is 5 minutes minimum I set a meditation timer to chime 3 times every 6:30 to give time for the breath control just as a rough estimate. One thing I like about the MSW sets is the lack of a need of a timer and just to keep track of how many I've done which is what i'm more used to with my Western practices. Anyways I was in a lightly rainy nature trail in-between 2 lakes. I was the only one out there and walked out to a little peninsula, It's far enough back to escape the traffic sounds, and usually a lot of birds such as Blue and White Herons. Off Topic but I actually saw 3 of the large red headed woodpeckers together which is mind boggling. I did MGAM, BTB,MH Pearl, then Wind above the clouds... or is it tree tops? Was a good 27 mins or so with the timers I set. Then walked a bit further to try and find a dry patch of ground, found something good enough up on a wooden deck and sat for MSW1 and MSW3 just the typical 7 sets with breathe control. When I came out of it the sensation was very tangible. I felt energetic vibrations all over my body. Once I started doing the seated practices I started to feel a lot of energy in the face usually and under the chin when doing the practices. But What I could compare the energetic sensation after finishing to is when I was trying to learn to Astral Travel 4 or 5 years ago and could get to the vibration stage pre exit. Never quite achieved the exit except waking up lifting out of the bed once and just kept going right through the walls and roof haha. But regardless it was a really cool experience. I've also started to have even stronger sensation in my hands which all I had to do before was just focus on them to feel Qi circulating or emitting from the palms , but now its even stronger especially when the 2 are facing and they will start shaking sometimes. Since people were mentioning electronics. I use bluetooth noise canceling headphones sometimes with like peaceful zen or flute music out of necessity due to living in very noisy place, and I don't know if it has a negative effect, but it helps me stay focused and actually complete the practices which I see as a positive. I prefer to go without, but occasionally have no choice.

I just want to comment on the focus of developing virtue and morality that stood out to me just browsing their material awhile back. I just happened to pick up the book of the shelf at a library a few months back and found it very interesting. A lot of the stuff talked about early on is similar to my own deep esoteric research In systems that are into following the Divine or as he calls in the Buddha law. I only got like 50 pages in, and watched some of the practice videos. The high focus on morality could be great for some people, and turn others off completely, it seems to be more Buddhist than Daoist, so if ones already into buddhism or other systems of purifying one's character it can kinda resonate for them? From my own experience and just study in general I believe there is something to the idea of a shortcut by developing virtue. Others systems like esoteric Christian ones also have a huge emphasis on this as a requirement for true development of the soul which would skip many many lifetimes of doing it by trial and error, and that there is only so far you can develop as a precaution built into the whole system if one does not develop virtue. Where if one is aligned or attuned to the Buddha law the Divine or whatever word you want to choose. It will take care of you. But Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and his Righteousness all this will added unto you. Is a very esoteric verse about such a concept. Now whether this is relevant or true about their system I can't say due to no experience with anyone whose practiced it. Just putting out some philosophical thoughts. The one I forgot but stuck out to me also just as a common sense thing the more you study this stuff. Is talking about the ancient guys who developed the energy channel system being some form of clairvoyant. Being able to literally see it. I feel like this should be more discussed more often as it seems obvious as a result and level of spiritual development. The western model of medicine won't acknowledge this currently, but if you know you know. I can't see it yet but I have faith it's just part of the process and developing yourself a true healer.

Just wanted to chime in. I just started the practice and. wow even after only a couple sessions while still learning the standing forms. I've felt sensations I've never felt. In the legs and neck. It seems to be great for unblocking areas I've never been able to feel the qi well, even after being sensitive to it for several years now. Kinda like this cool flowing sensation up the neck. Also just feel generally great and mellow after the session. One thing I'm curious about is the left hand in the right. So many people specify by gender for males the right goes under the left. But to me the other way has always felt more intuitive and just a natural fit. So I'm enjoying that theres no tension like when I'd try and do the other way. It just adds an unnecessary layer of distraction. Editing my own comment I realized it's probably due to it being more yin in nature in general which makes sense.

Interesting, good to know, I will have to look into it focused breathing Is my preffefed meditation method. But on a side note I don't want to derail this topic into a heat issue. The original thing I'm talking about is very much a qi/Prana thing that is known and expected in energetic development and alchemical systems. My own issues are separate and unrelated to the original topic, just to clarify thanks for the advice!

Hello. I wanted to get some opinions from the fine folks around here on this phenomenon and how it is viewed from different traditions. This is something I've experienced for several years now especially when I'm living a bit more in a harmonious way, mentally and physically it will certainly manifest more often. I'm aware it is a universal phenomena between both Eastern and Western traditions. I assume in the Daoist arts it's focused more on the Lower Dantian, while in some Western systems it's about filling up the Solar plexus with energy which also covers that same general area and function of being a storage space for massive amounts of energy. But I'd like some more professional or just interesting opinions on what this is and what it is actually doing. It is a bit esoteric I suppose, but a very real physical sensation.

I am curious what Chinese herbs you might recommend. I know this is true about my body, it's what I was told when first seeing a TCM practitioner about 9 years ago. Currently the only thing I take at all is Eyebright for eyes and sinuses. Which I intuitively came to Apparently its also good for clearing heat. Xiao Mi Cao is the Chinese name. Not exactly what I was reffering to, but wouldn't mind advice on this miserable problem.

I find this very important as well. Getting the right dichotomy of physical/spiritual is important. This is based more on the physical side but for health reasons is still entirely on point. The more people learn and know about these topics the easier it is to maintain your health. I'm involved with some western esoteric systems and even the focus on the blood flow from deep breathing is incredibly important to purifying the body. I think it goes into many levels subtle to direct.

Thanks so much for this input. Its what I was feeling as well. Breathing is very magical and alchemical when it is done with focus and intention And I think that's what the sensations are leaning towards some manifestation of spirit transforming your being. One of my favorite quotes from Zhuangzi or Chuang Tzu is his one on breath control. Now what the original Chinese means might be different but. it's so straightforward and awesome, which resonates so much even if you have even just a little experience with it. "Breathing control give man strength, vitality, inspiration,and magic powers." -Zhaungzi

Welcome! Flying Phoenix and Spring Forest both are regarded rather highly around here. Flying Phoenix has a ridiculously long thread with more information than you'd ever need. Spring forest has some good threads too like This one about This guy's personal experience and development with the system. And their website is ver helpful too. https://www.springforestqigong.com/ and here's the flying Phoenix one.