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@Michael Sternbach I have asked the last question now - so i asked about practice in general about stretching and wuji stance - and now i asked about danitan gong - i asked : "What effect the lower dantian work i did had on my spine ? and if i return to it what effect will it have on my spine ? " I got hexagram 56 - with changing lines 2,3,6 --- and it turns into 40 (hidden hexagram is 28) how you interpret that ?

Did something change that you cant hide posts any more - and also cant hide other users posts ? or its still an option and i just forgot where it is and cant find it ?

I see the reasoning for not allowing it , still think it should be allowed but im not feeling to strong about it to debate it and actually write any logical reasons lol - asked cause i genuinely had no idea , but since i already replied about it felt obligated to give my opinion on it , but that is all not pushing this , i accept the moderators verdict

@Michael Sternbach that seems to mean i should return to original practice - not sure what this line means though in the prevoius question where i got hex 28 it says there also so that is intersting point - that its in both hexes and i wonder what it means

issue is i have no idea if force is me not putting force at all (aka just the meditation) or doing the physical part but really low intensity (though i always did things low intensity - now i need to do it really low .... this makes this whole issue much more complicated for me cause i already went very careful low intensity and now if i return it would be exceptionally low intensity - i think i did something like 10 minutes wuji stance for example - and strecthing i did just 1 minute doing a few seconds each stretch - while trying to put no force to it ) *** also i am considering asking another questions trying to figure out what caused my strong back pains exactly - but i am not sure what best way to word my questionos - does "what part caused my back pain the wuji stance the stretching or the dantian gong ? " good ? or there is better one ?

this part ? - maybe wuji stance and danitan gong can be seen as force otoo though ? not just stretching ?

@Michael Sternbach Ok so , cleaning it all out - looking at last question : " http://www.pantherwebworks.com/i_ching/bk1h21-30.html#24 Where do you see the stretching part in that hexagram ? (was really illuminating to see before you that you wrote the yijing was (probably) referring to my attitude - and me missing the Yijing saying oracle - would be funny if now i missed the word "stretching" somehow lol)

@Michael Sternbach im a bit confused as to what you reply too in your latest post You talk about all the questions i wrote ? or just the two last ones ? - cause in the two last ones i asked about my whole system i take (wuji+stretches+dantian gong+meditation) and not just stretching What second hexagram ? are you talking about hexagram 24 ? or 2 ? or something else ? *** so trying to figure out what you mean is : is that it seems that the yi jing is saying not to stop my previous practice ( at the moment im doing nothing for some days now - trying to figure out what to return to) and return to it - and not try the new one (just meditation) ? (it makes sense - dont read criticism in my posts they are 100% genuine questions)

have any thoughts about this clash ?

shame , but thanks for the reply

Well , i ask another question about this same subject : "what change(s) i need to do in my practice for my spine ?" I got hexagram 24 - where first line is a changing yang line -> and it changes to hexagram 2 (All yin) (and hiddent hexagram is 2 also) But again not sure how to interpret this - should i get back to my old practice continue the exact same way i did before ? or without some of the physical parts of it ? stop everything and not do anything ? start doing only meditation alone (including a new type of meditation i didnt do before) ? some thoughts i have on this is that by 24 and first line it seems i should return to exactly what i did before - and maybe hex 2 seems to mean the same on the other hand when I asked the yi jing : i asked somewhere else for advice on this - and someone said its a clear sign what i did did me bad for my back * so it seems this 2 divinations clash

Yes that would be awesome - though if i had to choose i would rather get a reply about this another later divnation i did which is : I asked the yi jing : " what was the influence of what i practiced in X system on my back health " I got hexagram 28 --- with six (changing yang) in the third ---- that changed in to 47 .... and hidden hexagram is 1 Background : I got major back pain since i started doing an online course ( the course is great and i recommend it , and im still planing on doing parts of it (the non physical) - it seems i got something wrong in the physical aspect of it) so i stopped doing most of it - and i plan to start doing part of the course about balncing the elements in body thorugh meditation and working with the energy channels which is non physical , but still wonder if that is right and i should just get back into doing the regular online course and not just the channels and elements part From the results i got by some parts i can interpret if i continue The stretching i asked about before (when i got 64 ) are part of the online course (from what i call "physical part") ... also it has dantian gong part ... also Wuji stance ... and also dantian gong part .... all three i suspect might have caused my back pain ---- i also asked recently about " what was the influence of the wuji stance i did on my back health ? and what i should do about it " and got also 64 but with nine in the second and fourth places , and six in the third ( result was hexagram 52 with the hidden one being 63) *** i write all but if there is one i would like a reply is hexgram 28 cause it seems the most accurate - cause its the first time i ever get a result talking about the " The ridgepole sags to the breaking point" when im asking about my painful back ** i read the results after in a physical Wilhelm’s translation book - but if i look after again i look at this online site (if someone wants its pretty neat) : http://www.pantherwebworks.com/i_ching/index.html#key

That is interesting . maybe you can say a word about how exactly you interpert it as such ? cause i would love to be able to discern that myself in future What in the results makes you think that way ?

How to interpert Yi Jing results ? intersting to hear any advice about this topic For example : Do you ignore parts ? (for example i read about ignoring the hidden hexagram , or even ignoring both hidden and resultant hexgram , or ignoring all except the changing line ) What does the hidden hexagram point to ? what does the resultant hexagram point to ? what does the first hexagram point to ? what changing lines point to ? What weight do you give each part ? (are the lines more important - the resultant or hidden or original hexagram more important ? ) If there are more than one changing lines which ones you listen to ? all of them ? what if they are clashing in some way ?

what way exactly you mean ?

I asked the yi jing : " what was the influence of what i practiced in this system on my back health " I got hexagram 28 --- with six (changing yang) in the third ---- that changed in to 47 .... and hidden hexagram is 1 Background : I got major back pain since i started doing this system in an online course ( the course is great and i recommend it , and im still planing on doing parts of it (the non physical) - it seems i got something wrong in the physical aspect of it) so i stopped doing most of it - and i plan to start doing part of the course which is non physical , but still wonder if that is right and i should just get back into doing the regular online course and not just the heavenly streams part

I have sent a couple of pictures of myself from different angles doing wuji and got corrections which i adjusted my posture accordingly (and its clear of course it needs a very long time to perfect and for sure i still got lots to fix - but since the pain i got are soo strong (as in i randomly freeze during the day without being able to move cause of back pain) i am not sure i have time to keep practicing and correcting - as i did before ) and did a lot of other stuff as well including medical professionals - and i am going to keep asking about this issue there (not just stretching or wuji - might even be somehow from dantian gong) but again i dont want to discuss my strong back pains here , i want to discuss the yi jing results i got and interpret them .......... so i really want to not get replies on how to solve my back pain issue and what is smart to do but to get replies about the yi jing results i got and how people interpret the results

Thanks for the ideas , i have asked question relating to this in that fourm already , including about my posture and stretches , and damo is in a retreat at the moment and dosnt answer posts , i may ask the group when he is back to replying so chances he sees reply are better , but anyway without connection to that i do want to get the "yi jing" point of view about this matter - so it is a good opportunity to add im just asking here only on the matter from the yijing aspect and not general advice on the subject itself - that is why i ask this in yijing section and on the divnation results and not about the subject itself which will just derail this thread to something i am not interested to discuss here

If anyone else reads something for example i dont understand is - how i read a changing of hexagram - if i only asked on past effect ? and if its past up to present - than it seems there was a positive change from my results (if i got it right cause 11 seems positive- so i base my understanding on that) but de facto in reality i had a change for the worst so it seems the yijing result i got was not good

@steve Thanks - damo mitchell is great about anyrthing daoist related , including yijing and in fact i read somwhere he is already working on a book about the yijing , but i dont want to bother him or damos group too much about the yijing which is not the main thing of that group Taomeow is great yes - dont want to bother her with a PM - but i did tag her and another reply from her would be great . about asking - i dont ask the yijing in english but in my language and im not sure how to really translate "devine" to it , and also wanted the question to feel genuine to me so it can stick to my head better (which i understand is important as well) but what i asked seems to me to be very close to what she suggested - but anyway that is why i wrote it here so taomeow will see and if she thinks its a big difference than i will no doubt phrase it exactly like she wrote

Again that derails this thread which is about yi jing - but just to not ignore your comment - i have been to pyshos and orthpedics but this isnt just about stretching - and not what im asking about or want this thread to be about - so please dont talk about it - it derails this thread and its very important for me this thread stays about the YI JING how to inteprt it and how to interpert the yi jing reply i got i need to understand this for many aspects of my life - not just stretching but other issues physical but also about career , spiritual practice , relationship with people etc .... i asked about stretching in other places online and about physical health in general - i want this thread to be about YI jing in general and also the results i got (61 11 27) and how to intepert this - so i dont want to get stretching or health advice here - just yi jing interpretations to help me understand the yi jing better

Not sure what you mean - but in case i get your drift and you mean i just tried once or twice and than got pain and stopped : i didnt do stretching one time .... i did in many different times during the years , sometimes doing strong sometime going really easy - like the last time where i did every time a few second every day and didnt put any pressure at all almost - very gentle and still got pains and less flexible somehow , and when im talking about pains i dont mean during the stretching but after the stretching - and i tried in a few different ways to stretch BUT i really dont want this to become a discussion about stretching , and peoples views about stretching - but about what the "yi jing" tells me about the effects of stretching on me - about what he said to me in the divination i did and wrote above and in general about how i interpret the "yi jing results" (i have many other questions - for example i got very strong back pain and i want to ask about a few different trainings i do not just stretching - so really its a thread about yi jing and not really about stretching and focusing on it will just derail this thread)

What im saying is - how i should read the changing hexgram if im asking about the past up to now ? - and if it means in the past things were hexagram 61 and than they changed to 11 than it seems like a very postive change - but reality is the opposite of that

@Apech - thanks for the replies , about your first post about my first one - seems by what taomeow wrote that my question was not good - and i seem to buy into what she wrote , you dont agree with that and say its still relevant ? about the second divination : - i asked about it as sort of a test for the "Yi jing" to be honest and asked here also as a test (but mainly to understand ! just a tiny tiny bit a test) for people here to see ........ cause truth is im almost certain the stretching i did harmed my health (that is why i stopped) i have become less flexible and got pains so i really hoped the "yi jing" would say something that it did me bad (maybe in its way saying something about "danger" etc) - now im not sure how should i read a yi jing result ? i mean it changes to 11 which is a postive thing it seems - but i didnt ask about the future - i didnt ask what i asked in the start about if i should return to it - cause if i would than i assume 11 would have been a clear answer ... but i only asked about the condition up to now - so how i should read the change ? also i got nine in the top which seems negative thing : so again dont know how to read it

Ok i had quiet - so i used it to do a divination , im still interested to know what i asked above including if this is a legitmate question - but i had to take this quiet opportunity even if it wasn't a good question - so i asked "what is the impact of the stretches i did up to know on my health ? " I got : hexagram 61 with sixth (changing yin) in the third and nine (changing yang) in the fifth and also the six line ........... so hexagram change to 11 ............... and hidden hexagram is 27 Still not sure how to interpret this - and would appreciate your thoughts