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Yes, my kindness is my fault. Lesson learned.

You try exposing 30 years of contemplation and endure the insults, mockery and accusations for a couple months from some of these people as I have done and not lose your cool missy.

Im not whining, Im yelling. Is it a tantrum? I suppose so. Should I be calm? I guess I lost my patience with some of you and would as much curse your family line as try to explain myself, when what I see from your behavior is a circular attempt at disarming and dismissing every point I make. And the funny thing is, you cant get enough of this. So I suppose I will go back to politely ignoring you and then you can continue whining about me ignoring you, as you did (which was just your attempt to goad me further into your traps)

As I never proclaimed that taking power and using it wouldn't make you enemies, I reject your defense that you were employing irony to get me to see something that I was ignorant of. Nice try.

Yes you have offered critiques and I am having my own discussion about a variety of ideas, not just Crowley or Thelema. My conversation is larger than this. What you people are missing is that I am considering Thelema and Do What Thou Wilt separately, as Crowley himself is not "just Thelema". Crowley is a Hierophant that documented a variety of tools to contemplate with, and commented on HIS interpretation of them, and I am not so much commenting on HIS interpretation of them as MY OWN, which you people seem to take issue with, which to me, reveals the limitation of your "wisdom". All Wisdom is viable in the right light, but I wouldn't expect you to honor that, being that you take your own views "too seriously". I am mostly addressing this Law, which does not belong to Thelemites any more or less than anyone else, it is the use of this Law that Crowley uses to support his "religion", which, essentially, is the liberty to love who and how you want, to work when and how you want, and to relax as you want- and another thing, the major dispute that I recall was when I said Crowley promotes that YOU KILL FOR THIS RIGHT, and I easily quoted the passage of his holy text declaring just this (he also mentions it elsewhere) and you Nungali STILL refuses to read the plain English that it is written in, and STILL continues to be a pest on my threads just to grind his damn axe, which he picked up when I simply responded my own interpretation of the septagram. He took issue with my use of calling it the faery star, which I later amended, and he STILL wont let it go. Hes being a real prick, probably out of jealousy more than anything, because the ACTUAL TRUTH of this star is exactly as I said it was! You people are being a nuisance for no reason, you are failing to accept my apologies for referencing material I am uncertain of, you wont let up on me correctly quoting and backing my statements with the literature- you are, in effect, taking issue with me just to be assholes, and you COMPLETELY IGNORE any of my work here, all you want to do is criticize and belittle, and pretend that YOU KNOW ME, and then accuse me of doing that to you! I really wish you would all just shut the hell up and let me post my thoughts and 1. Have actual discourse about what I am WRITING NOW or 2. Allow people to communicate with me about what I write! STOP BEING JERKS!

You really don't know me, either, as my posts are filled with me questioning my beliefs. In fact, that is all I am actually advising people to do by giving them the tools to do this, something you don't bother helping with, I notice.

Well if that is the case I think hed hate on all of you people that are nitpicking me to death

yeah and when did I write that? And how long ago did this dispute start about my seeming inability to comprehend it? And where does it say that I am a Thelemite? It merely says that I accept it is a valid religion, and that Do What Thou Wilt is a valid Truth. Youre such a troll, you know that right?

To utilize your sig: it's only possible to see people when one is able to see the world as others see it. You are precisely as big as what you love and precisely as small as what you allow to annoy you. of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean that I’m wrong. I think your hero would hate you

PS: The secret to success is to learn not to want.

Do What Thou Wilt (BTW I never said I was a disciple of Crowley, I said I was his student (and at times, his opponent) also, I never claimed to be a Thelemite, and yes Do What Thou Wilt is the Law of Thelema, but it doesn't only belong to them) Claim Wisdom if you like, as will I

It strikes me odd that some of you seem to have a world view that you feel is "correct" and yet, all you really offer us in the way of understanding it is to denounce other world views or make jokes and obscure references that only your own kind would recognize. This says to me that 1. You have no intention of converting the world to your "correct" view 2. The reason for this might be to impose some unknown authority over situations to advance your own personal agendas. The fail here is that 1. You really could care less about things being "correct" 2. Unless under your rule, people don't really give a shit about what you believe. Essentially, you are 1. Not trying to make righteous adjustments to injustice proving that your "correct" method is a sham 2. Limiting your power to local control. Trying to come here and bully me to behave like you is illusionary masturbation on your part, as I have no need and see no reason to obey you The real kicker in all of this is people like yourselves claim to denounce ego, when everything you do is entirely based upon ego itself!

I wouldn't know, but does it really take much foresight to realize that a person being dominated would call their master a monster?

Hi I don't know who to petition for this so I am posting it here. Please make it so, thanks.

Just for the record, and to stop your whining, I spoke with Sean long ago, and he has no problem with my posts, as should have been evident by his not interfering with them.

Do you know what inspires us to make art? Also, having dominion over someone else can easily cause the one dominated to call them a monster. Is English your first language?

There is no such a thing as bad poetry, or bad music, or bad art. You people are monsters. Power is indeed dominion. Over the Will and the want, over the self, and yes, over others.

For the mortals! I dove into the expanse that has no height or depth, but is simply a void of ever present All. Driving my chariot, my hooves aflame, I swung my whip upon the beaded sweat that clung to the back of my steed. "RIDE!" the angels cried! "RIDE AND BE SWIFT!" I plundered that vast nothingness looking for my bride. I knew Her ghost, as all great men do. We would meet, my lover and I, and She will be my beauty, for the sake of my kind and all of my kin- Her heart would yield to me. A seemingly infinite amount of wandering in this grasping dark would not yield my prize until I finally succumbed to Her desire. She would have me! And so I chose to submit, for Her ever-grasp is like nothing any man has been beholden of. As She devoured my every particle, my every ounce and piece of conceivable identity, both material and spiritual, I gazed at Her wretched eyes. She was insatiable as She digested my being, but some force kept me alive through Her feasting, until finally there was nothing left but my gaze upon Hers. For every head she sprung I sprang an arm, the hand of which would grip or caress, depending upon Her measured reaction to my intention. The limbs and heads became infinite, but still neither would yield. At last She ran to the farthest reaches of space and realized that She had no more shadow in which to hide, that is when I unclothed my Love and it shone brilliantly before Her, and She submitted to my loving kisses. Now as I send forth my Will towards the light of Life, I return, perhaps a Hero, to some a villain; with the Truth that may bring this wicked world to its knees.

The Beauty of Creation is the struggle between the powerful and the merciful, and the trials to meet the balance that is required of us as we go about our lives teaching justice.

The strong will rise, and do what they must The meek will fight back, declaring themselves just I tell you this, as you toil in dust The struggle of life is Heaven or bust! And as you sway in the joy and sorrow Wonder well what of tomorrow? Shall I lay here slain, dead in vain? Or is it to be that I rise again! Gratitude wins favor And so does opposition The Magus will ever adjust their position Only a Fool lives just once If that is you, you are not one of us.

and so it goes

Ralis what exactly is your vision for civilization?

Altruism is possible but improbable, and not everyone is going to agree with your ideas, and that is why I have come to the conclusion that it is inevitable that the strong will always rise to power. There are no rules that satisfy every persons wants- needs, perhaps, but in the history of Man, sometimes the measure of what we "should" do is thwarted, and provides for a new alternative and boost to supporting our needs (and wants) and THAT is another reason why the strong will, and deserve to, make the necessary choices that they desire to see enacted. We will never thwart this process, partly because the Gods support it- and Man is never going to be more powerful than the Gods. You may laugh at them, but that is of no matter to them, they know their power. As far as not including a religion in a NWO, that is rather foolish, not only because the Gods exist, but also because Man needs to imagine a potential that is larger than themselves in order to evolve. You can replace religion with physics I suppose, but physics was invented because of initiates that were God believers. Take God out and who knows? Man has done much harm in the name of science, and it sounds like you are against harm- so you cant rely upon science unless you include that fact that Man will Do What They WIlt in its name, and if that is the case, then Man needs the freedom to oppose these people. You cannot avoid the truth that strength accomplishes Will. Now, if you want to create a structure where all people contribute in a peaceful and co-operative method of interaction that does not harm and only provides security and prosperity, I am willing to discuss your ideas. Don't pawn the responsibility off on me when you are the one that comes in here and denounces my opinion, and basically has no care that I come to another- except to say that you think there is one- that is BS and irresponsible- why complain at all? You will never see your want accomplished with that attitude, and so to complain is a waste of both our time. I do believe that Man is working on this idea- and we have come a long way.

Ralis: Explain your alternative to the strong taking lead. We could use a new religion, please post!

The adept must first climb the tree, with lust and vigor; for love. Love is the key, as is hope- a hope that the God will guide them to the height of enlightenment. Love, mercy and kindness are the trade in which the Adept Exempt exchange their life for power, and once the Exempt Adept climbs to Kether, they must make their way back down to Malkuth. The Grades of the Magus are ever in flux, and a mage must travel to and fro many times before finally descending back into Malkuth. The great obstacle of the Exempt Adept is the rite of his grade, for there is mercy, and there is mercy, and the Gods know which is which. The Exempt Adept must reconcile with their interpretation of this benevolent act before passing onto the role of Magus.