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As previously stated in my introductory post, I am a Western occultist, I've been doing seated meditation for the past 9 months, I've also been doing different kinds of visualization training, mainly from Robert Bruce's "tactile imaging". Sometimes I went on a spirit journey to what the Shamans call the Lower World, after this I have felt drained, this is because the energy body is most likely still weak and an infant, and as such I started Zhan Zhuang, 10-20 minutes a day after those practices. I intend to start practicing a dynamic or moving qigong now. I have many books on the subject since I have always been kind of into Daoism, getting much more into it now though. I'm thinking about starting out from two different systems, one by Zhongxian Wu, and another by Damo Mitchell. I also have all the Daoist books of Jerry Alan Johnson, but they all seem really complex and not a place to start, so one of these two systems will have to do. Between starting with practices from Zhongxian Wu and Damo Mitchell, which would you recommend? Also, I intend on buying Thunder Wizard's book's on Thunder Shamanism, and also adding that to my daily practice. I am aware he used to be called 5ElementTao on this forum, does anybody have experience with his books on Teutonic Shamanism and are they worth looking into? Thank you for you consideration.

So I've been reading Jerry Alan Johnson's book, Daoist Exorcism, and in the part about Psychic Vampirism he talks about the Psychic Vampire stealing Qi and storing it in the LDT, then later refining it based on the magician's Five Element Constitution. This made me really think. Since I've only recently begun to practice Daoist practices, but am not that new to the LHP in the Western Esoteric tradition, I am not completely unfamiliar with Psychic Vampirism and have a few books on the subject, but I've never used them. I think I'm changing my mind though. If what is stolen through Psychic Vampirism is Qi, then doesn't that bypass the need to refine Jing to Qi in Neidan? Maybe this is a stupid question, just thought this would be interesting to talk about.

It's easy to kick people when they're down. I guess herd mentality is what one should expect from cowards who need their hands held.

I also think it's ironic how certain kinds of discrimination are apparently prohibited, and yet ethnic discrimination against other minorities are openly welcome. How tolerant and progressive of you.

Nope. Those are the English-speaking South Africans, they have a variety of different accents depending on where they came from in the second Anglo-Boer war, since they segregated themselves, Canadians with Canadians, Australians with Australians, Brits with Brits, etc. I'm Afrikaans, from the North-West originally so have a very Northen Dutch-like accent. You could also be talking about Afrikaners from the Cape, however we are different people, and have only recently been united under the Afrikaans blanket. I never said that guy is my role model. I pointed out that I regard him highly, he's been doing this for over a decade, without a teacher. He's dedicated to his practice, and practices daily. I wonder if you go tell some audience about the things you believe in if they won't start laughing at you? Hmmm. I guess there's very little to learn from such a sanctimonious individual. I highly doubt you have all the answers, nor any that I'm looking for. Have a pleasant day.

So on the day that I do the Tree Gong I just skip the regular qigong sets that I do before seated practice? Thanks a lot man, this will probably help me a lot, I do appreciate it. Time is on my side for now, so when I feel ready to put this into practice I will try cutting out the Jing -> Qi part, by absorbing more Qi from external sources like trees. I have to try it out and see if it works, it would save me a lot of heartache, so it's worth taking a few years to try it out, advice still highly appreciated though, and will always keep this in mind. The moderate sexual activities is not possible for me, and won't be in the future, thus why I'm looking to try different approaches. I did hear Wa Mu's one book has an approach where you don't lose Jing by ejaculating with your partner, do you think this technique would be worth learning? If this solves the problem obviously the traditional route would remain the priority. Never heard of these, do they nullify the need to retain semen? Thank you once again RiverSnake, I really do appreciate you enlightening me. I wish you fortune, good health, and a pleasant evening man.

Thank you very much for this post man, very much appreciated. A few questions though if I may? 1) What kind of refinement would be required? 2) With trees, would the energy from trees be easier to refine? 3) Would absorbing Qi like this on a regular basis nullify the Jing -> Qi converstion requirement in Neidan, in your opinion? I have read some of your posts and see you're also into Jason Miller's work. Than you for your consideration bud.

I'm not looking for superpowers or MoPai. I'm looking for all these "Authorities and masters" to go get scientifically monitored so as to determine whether they're really authorities, as you and your little cult of orthodox quacks like to claim. Why waste your time learning to achieve a state of immortality from somebody who cannot be verified to be one? If Chinese Traditional Medicine or Daoist cultivation can improve longevity, then why is the Chinese life expectancy not the highest? Maybe because they're talking shit. I'm not saying I'll "only listen to masters who levitate", I'm saying there's no use in spending your life blindly following frauds and people who aren't any more advanced than you are. If they are more advanced, the burden of proof falls upon then, until then they're all frauds out to make a fortune off gullible fools. Obviously I'm a spiritual person myself, but that doesn't mean I'm going to fall in with your submissiveness and willingness for blind belief in others. The conceit that you think spiritual wisdom is restricted to only a certain group of cultures from a certain geographical area, clearly stems from a lack of knowledge. It might hurt your feelings to hear that your heroes and idols aren't the only ones with spiritual knowledge, doesn't change the fact that they aren't though. I'm not looking for siddhis, I was looking for those who claim to be "authorities" in a highly subjective subject to come out and prove why exactly anybody should believe them to be authorities. Also, if people could not teach themselves, I guess your Daoist religion would not exist, because guess what, the original masters didn't have authorities, or masters, they taught themselves. The idea that you need to blindly obey people is ridiculous.

Fair enough. Seeing as they are not able to objectively (scientifically) prove themselves to be immortals, they are thus not objectively immortals, thus not authorities. And since I subjectively don't believe them to be immortals, they are thus both objectively, and subjectively not immortals, and thus not authorities.

Can you prove some spiritual authority has spiritual abilities? Scientifically that is? If so please provide evidence. Until then spirituality doesn't need gurus or masters telling people what to do when they can't prove their own claims.

I wasn't aware that we had to prove anything to anybody here? Hmmm, I guess you're closer to a cult than you'd like to admit. What is it one would have to "convince" others of? Superpowers? The very real problem of colonialism, hmmm. Does that extend to Chinese, Indian, and Japanese colonization of others? Does it extend to Turkey having been a colonial nation since the 11th century after they committed genocide against the Byzantines? Or reparations from Mongolia, or North Africa for conquests in Europe? How about Bantu tribes displacing the Khoi people in South Africa? When are you telling the Turkish to fuck off back to Central Asia then? Or does nativistic ideology only apply when it's at the expense of the white people you hate?

You don't have authority, and even though I have no problem with Walker, neither does he. Nobody is an authority on spiritual matters, not some Celestial Master, not the Dalai Lama, not the Pope, nobody, because it's all subjective. So sorry to burst your superiority bubble. Guess who the real supremacist is, the guy kissing some false authority's ass so he can talk about his supposed authority. You can't get to immortality by holding your masters hand.

The funny thing is I'm a colonial, and I still like him more than I do you, so what does that say about how irritating and obnoxious you are? You didn't attack and insult me when I joined this forum and wasn't buying your bullshit? The reality is the vast majority of the people on here, including yourself are no better than people from Abrahamic religions, because what you practice is the Tao of Conformity. You need your hand held and can't think for yourself. If you're such a great master with such a great set of skills, why the fuck are you wasting your time complaining on an internet forum about other people? I thought an aspect of Daoism was accepting nature, I guess that's just another aspect you don't have mastery over. I remember a similar thread where you commended the censorship on this forum since it was in favor of your set of political ideals, you were thanking the owner and kissing his ass because other people were bullying you. I think you need to grow up. Once again, isn't politics somewhat beneath a great Daoist master who is working towards immortality? Everybody doesn't think like you do, you're not Jesus of Borg. There's a lot of alternatives to this forum, I suggest those banned for not conforming to check out OriginalDao. You do the same with your Orthodox Daoist brainwashing. Look at my introduction thread. You irritate people with your agenda, but when others do it to you, you beg for them to get banned? Strange... The average educated adult would say that other worlds and qigong is all bullshit. We're not dealing in average here. Didn't I ask you to stop on my introduction thread?

If you pay for it I would love to. It does sound great, I am glad you live in such an amazing place.

Too much life too little death. All that accomplishes is faster destruction of forests, woodlands, and jungles. There's already enough people in the world, I see people every day, I kind of see animals every day since I live close to a mountain and a small nature reserve with a river. The point is though, one day there won't be animals left to see, people will have to go to museums to look at modern animals the way we have to in order to look at prehistoric ones. Overpopulation is in my opinion the single worst problem facing the planet right now. You should check out the movie "The Time Machine".

I do agree, however what you seem to be doing a lot of the time is dismissing anything outside your realm of experience. Maybe I'm wrong about that, if so I apologize. So you're eclectic as well, good to know. What does GS stand for? Are you a psychologist or merely being bias? I doubt everybody you disagree with is mentally unstable, though I am aware of people going crazy from practices in the Western spherical systems, this is rare. What you claim is spiritually false and fraudulent. Prematurely judging anything is ignorant, no one person can know everything, we are limited by our limited vessels in this world, and there isn't only one way to any one destination. Systems are authenticated via feedback from those who have practiced and assessed it objectively. While I understand you have sheeple that blindly do as those around them do, or do as they are told, if somebody well-versed in similar practices adopts the practices for a period of time and reports success, it has thus been as authenticated as any spiritual system in the world currently can be. Well I would hope that since you're a Master that you'd be willing to learn from others. But if you think you don't need to learn from others I guess you don't have to care at all. Have a pleasant evening.

The philosopher Ken Wilber says that authentic spiritual systems confirm to the three strands of objective knowledge that constitute science: 1) Injunction: try doing something 2) Apprehension: observe what happens 3) Falsification by a Community of the Adequate: present findings to people who have the requisite experience and to judge the observation and its implications. The reason it says falsification is because you can never really prove anything, because you would have to survey the totality of existence to make sure that there are no counterfactuals anywhere. You can, however, easily falsify claims by finding only one counterfactual. You can't technically claim any tradition is fake and a scam, and be correct, if it's based upon what they claim to achieve spiritually when you haven't practiced and experienced. Refer to the above points regarding the objective knowledge that constitute science and apply once again. Taoism isn't the only way that works, in fact, in my short time here I've already met numerous people that, while they began their journey in Taoist practices, have moved on to the Western Esoteric or Buddhist practices.

I apologize for my unfounded slander of member Freeform, it has come to my attention that I was acting in poor judgement and that he did genuinely try to help me.

Tilburg. You?

Multiple lineages consistent of mostly people who aren't and will never be immortals, I'm impressed. Not only that, you're also assuming you know the only way to immortality, as such you should prove it or continue appearing to be a daft peasant. Yes, I did start it, and ask pretenders such as yourself not to derail it because you're irrelevant, as is anything you say. You're the one worshiping your master who is not an immortal, thus polishing his knob, not me. Also, when you grow up and need a job, you can come mow my lawn, and rake the yard, because that's what obedient little fools do where I'm from.

And nobody worth their salt thinks you know what you're talking about, nor does anybody consider you some kind of authority, sorry, back to polishing knobs and sweeping the floors boy.

Yes, you know everything about becoming an immortal, and you also clearly know that there is only one path to that state of being, and that humility is a requirement. I am sure you have learned a lot from your masters who aren't immortals, and a bunch of books written by people who were most likely not immortals. Preaching about something like this makes you appear rather daft. Since you believe so much in humility why not practice it? I mean, you speak for all the spirits in the Cosmos who will apparently only commune with those who are self-righteous assholes such as yourself right? I think I'll take my chances learning from spirits rather than some fools on an online forum that assume they know everything regarding the paths to immortality, why don't you and Earl Grey go polish your masters' knobs?

Cobweb, there are certain characters on this site you should ignore, EarlGrey and Freeform are some of them. They're little men with inferiority complexes, and as such try to impose their wills on other on this site. Just ignore them. I'm actually an Afrikaner moving to the Netherlands in a little over a year, so if you ever need to talk let me know bud. There is actually an abundance of Daoism in the Southern regions of your country if you ever feel like checking it out. Take Welkin's advice, as well as that of Gendao, and especially Zhongyongdaoist, they are all mature, open-minded individuals and will try their best not to impose any dogma on you. Good luck man.

There are not many people in the world that come from cultures that committed genocide against the natives, and were complicit in concentration camps in South Africa. Reflect upon your own culture before judging others.