old3bob

I was gone from the forum for a long time but do remember the strange, know it all vibe i got from Jeff... anyway anybody know what happened to Jones boy?

since when is compassion or Grace logical? Anyway I have not said anything based on speculation, we make our own tea and drink it to.

for our information: without love we don't get a home in the higher realms (although in certain cases a visitors pass is possible) so all the negative ego talk about this and that or calling humans devolved is a no go. (something I'm not innocent of either) Just imagine the Golden one when he said, "forgive them Father for they know not what they do".... "for he sunk beneath our wisdom like a stone" Leonard C.

Sounds like more twisted Mr. G crap, Rideforever, which he let go of himself in the end.

if you had ever crawled around in the horrors of the hell realms you would know far better, so no this is not a hell realm it is the earth realm. And give thanks for that!

there is that old saying, "be careful what you ask for, you might get it!" so if a person normally runs on 120 volts but is curious what it would be like to touch 4000 volts or higher yet still has areas of resistance in them, which can be translated to mean lack of spiritual purity, then that higher voltage (& amperage ) is going to really rip and because of that something has to give and it won't be the higher voltage! (in Christian context, although not that good of match, at one point Jesus warned not to touch him) Human masters can make a safe connection to others without harm although one can or should expect instant karma to be possible...and lets face it few of us are ready to suddenly deal with our karmas coming on full force which we have wrought over a lifetime! As for many gods, not unlike the sun in the sky, they are of a different orders of beings than us and only certain of them connect safely to humans beings through their wisdom and love. Btw, Intense Guardian beings do not suffer fools gladly! Thus we come to another saying, "the need to know" -- which should never be forced, for who would force their hands (out of curiosity) to touch a 220 volt circuit at 200 amps?

I'd suggest you shift to only karma yoga until you have a truly qualified teacher to help or guide you, for in your coming to a public internet site probably says you do not have that yet? (and you are not alone in that)

moral, ethical, philosophical, revealed teachings and whatever religious practices one may relate to are always in play otherwise the rocket will crash and burn...

the basics or free teachings (so to speak) with a personal price are yama and niyama, which in the west are often divorced from various yogas since many people don't want to bother with them or don't believe in them and jump right into pranayama, kundalini and other yogas or methods which is foolish and even dangerous to do without said spiritual foundation and a qualified teacher...who imo may need some type of compensation to be reached or understood but not based purely on a money deal if they are worth anything.

another fine reply by a fine man, namely Steve

much of the basic/beginning or pre-teachings are free so to speak... then at some point direct contact with a true teacher is needed; and that cost is commitment and honesty to name just a few things. Anyone who is into money per-se or making a money deal for that which can not be bought or sold should be avoided and if they are not then the price paid could be very high for disappointment. (at least)

why do various Buddhist teachings perpetually misuse the term "mind"? Vedic teachings make it clear what mind is and is not. I guess if people accept the misuse of the term with a different understanding for it then so be it. Btw all teachings come from Om or AUM and that is not hidden if and when it can be seen and heard. Nothing spooky about it....although what goes up can also go down.

You could get information on the web at SRF, the Self Realization Fellowship in southern Calif. founded by Swami Yogananda.

Not by work, nor by progeny, nor by wealth, but by devotion to him and by indifference to the world, does a man reach immortality. Retire into solitude. Seat yourself on a clean spot and in erect posture, with the head and neck in a straight line. Be indifferent to the world. Control all the sense organs. Bow down in devotion to your Guru. Then enter the lotus of the heart and there meditate on the presence of Brahman—the pure, the infinite, the blissful. Unmanifest to the senses, beyond all thought, infinite in form, is God. The seers meditate on him and reach the source of all beings, the witness of all. He who knows him conquers death. There is no other way to liberation. The mind may be compared to a fire-stick, the syllable OM to another. Rub the two sticks together by repeating the sacred word and meditating on Brahman, and the flame of knowledge will be kindled in your heart and all impurities will be burnt away. He, as the Self, resides in all forms, but is veiled by ignorance. When he is in the state of dream that men call waking, he becomes the individual self… he is happy or miserable because of the creations of his mind. In the three states of consciousness, whatever appears as the enjoyer or the object of enjoyment, I am the witness thereof, separate from all. I am pure consciousness. I am the eternal Shiva. I am the knower…. I was not born; I have neither body, nor senses, nor mind, I, the Supreme Self, dwell in the lotus of the heart. I am pure. I am One without a second. Om Tat Sat Kaivalya Upanishad

information related to this dance: https://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/knowledge/article/what-is-the-origin-of-tandav-dance.html

flying in itself is a very foolish goal...although one could travel across the entire cosmos in the blink of an eye (so to speak) if the spiritual need was very great, true and pure!

and or.... "Whoever digs a pit for others will fall into it. Whoever tries to roll a boulder down on others will ·be crushed by it [ have it turn back on them]."

A great soul may have "x" amounts of localized or stored forms of power but that is not its motive, reason for being or of its deeper meaning ....for the "Soul of the soul" or the Spirit of the soul is the ocean of power that really has us and not the other way around ! To paraphrase a saying in Christianity, "I do nothing except by the power of the Father".

"Fear not"....

It is so simple that It is shocking for a moment, a shocking Joy that springs forth in the truth of simplicity that consumes (or strips away) all convoluted and binding complexity yet does no harm.

Dwai, I think that's a keeper article

speaking of unfolding...there is unfolding per chaos and unfolding per dharma and such per dharma takes will, thus divine will and order has to be more than a standing-off or just witnessing.

it could be a slippery slope from detachment to apathy or even nihilism is what I was getting at...

I imagine some can do ice cream and sex at the same time