old3bob
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... in the first sentence above where it advocates "indifference" I have some reservations about that or at least with that word usage and its general meaning. If it means indifference to the temptations of worldly things and being lost in identification with same as later implied then fine...anyway does this upanishad from a long ago time period and culture assume that that is how the reader should or does interpret the first sentence? (for no spiritual or most any kind of practice can succeed through indifference in the general meaning of the word) I also have reservations with the words, "separate from all" near the end of this quote. If "separate from all" means unbound by and thus transcendent to all although also witness of all then fine...adding that per non-duality there can really be no separate from per-se, or no separation between Siva and Shakti and all of Shakti's permutations as mentioned earlier in this upanishad as, "Self residing in all forms". thus words and their meanings are important, more so since every one of us may read something slightly or very different into them. Comments?
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to interject, of course mind has limits in mind stuff itself, thus THINGS may spin around and mix and morph infinitely in mind yet they are still limited to what could be called the many dimensions of mind. (or variations of THINGS)
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ah, there's a self pro-claimer here running off at the mouth, "how low can he go"?, (or violent can he go ?) Anyway I'd say Dwai and the most of rest of us here have been around the block.
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Sat Guru Grace is a connection/connector/synchronizer to the main buss of Spirit so to speak. Not unlike the synchronizing and thus joining of a small electrical generator to what is likened to or called an infinite electrical buss in utility terms, and after making that connection the main buss then helps stabilize and or lock in the small generator's frequency and voltage to keep it on line, btw. connecting a generator to the main buss improperly could blow it up if its safety devices do not kick it out of the circuit if its not properly set up to synchronize via closely matching the frequency and voltage of the main buss. (although and of course not in amperage) Jai Sat Guru!
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Could someone explain the Buddhist belief system to me?
old3bob replied to DreamBliss's topic in Buddhist Discussion
I'd add that at some point trust needs to come into the mix, not unlike it does in any positive or meaningful relationship. Like even with a TI in boot camp who if they are any good besides being strict want to see recruits do well and go on to the next step. (Although some of those TI's get into power trips) -
these concepts via intellect may more or less be grasped... but not the Self that the concept tries to point to, for it can never be grasped by or held down by powers of the mind which would make it a THING. thus it is not us as human beings through powers of the mind and feelings that realizes the Self, for only the Self can realize the Self which it never forgot...a quandary for us identified as human beings yes - and I'm definitely not a qualified guru about it, just someone dropping some reflections here and there.
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another thing that has happened in a lot of blue collar jobs is zero tolerance for an understandable mistake with extenuating factors, thus not a careless or lazy mistake. Example: say you have a good and safe work history of 20 years and then one day you come to work and make that kind of mistake where no one is hurt and or there are no damages to equipment yet you missed or misunderstood one thing or one step out of say 50 and you are fired. I've seen this happen to where people become afraid to do their job and if or when they do it, it often takes twice as long with extra layers of people and layers of paperwork. The hypocrisy is that the supervisors doing the firing are quite human and also make understandable mistakes at times yet are immune from being fired for it. This makes for very low moral and loss of what could otherwise be normal work production. (aka double standards and use of negative reinforcement)
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Lust - and what to do about it
old3bob replied to EFS White's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
have 10,000 helpings of every type of ice cream and it won't be enough...have sex 10,000 times with every kind of partner and it won't be enough... come to know what is enough or one will suffer/"burn out". also the higher pleasure of dharmas fulfilled are always greater than sensory pleasures that can go awry. -
"OM! That (the Invisible-Absolute) is whole; whole is this (the visible phenomenal); from the Invisible Whole comes forth the visible whole. Though the visible whole has come out from that Invisible Whole, yet the Whole remains unaltered. OM! PEACE! PEACE! PEACE!"
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Could someone explain the Buddhist belief system to me?
old3bob replied to DreamBliss's topic in Buddhist Discussion
one could skip all the riddles and go right into Zen koans... -
Could someone explain the Buddhist belief system to me?
old3bob replied to DreamBliss's topic in Buddhist Discussion
I'd say that blind faith and blind belief are problematic, but not so when faith and belief are built upon 1st hand experience that grows. -
Could someone explain the Buddhist belief system to me?
old3bob replied to DreamBliss's topic in Buddhist Discussion
feel free to put things on the shelf (as in reserving making a final judgement) until you may come to experience them and gain some understanding....which should be applicable for any religion or path. the following is somewhat of a mind blower: "Whatever can be conceptualized is therefore relative, and whatever is relative is Sunya, empty. Since absolute inconceivable truth is also Sunya, Sunyata or the void is shared by both Samsara and Nirvana. Ultimately, Nirvana truly realized is Samsara properly understood." Nagarjuna the following is from me and not Buddhist as far as I know: No-thing is not nothing the following is from Taoism's T.T.C.: "Only nothing can enter no-space" Btw, belief and faith have their place...good luck -
as long as the silver cord is still connected to the body then there is a soul connection. Granted the body may be sleeping or in some partial sense not working right, be in a coma, or in effect sleep walking per mental loops, but it still has a connection, thus simply put if there is no silver cord connection then there is death of the body because no soul is giving it life through that cord. All the in between stuff talked about is interesting but I'd say it still comes down to that cord connection to the body. (that is to make a clear cut definition, btw i'm not guessing or only quoting something I've read)
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Do we have to remain aware of our True Nature all the time?
old3bob replied to dwai's topic in Hindu Discussion
a spin off of the page title, Is our true nature aware of us all the time? -
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we hear some people and even some with psychic abilities say earth is hell...(or that there is no hell) which to me is about as foolish or inexperienced as anyone can get although if one is in a terrible war zone and suffering then it understandable how they might say that.... but for anyone with some experience of the hell realms and its human related or non-human beings they know better the hard way or through divine protections to see same. I'd say lets remember the teaching in the T.T.C. where it says, "Earth follows the way of Heaven". Granted the Earth is often used as a battleground where the of forces for good and evil take place, but Earth herself is beautiful and in harmony, a very great magnitude of soul and weaver of life, a different order of being than mankind and mother like to all her charges. Something as simple as walking on a sunny field of grass is divine and splendid.
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Do we have to remain aware of our True Nature all the time?
old3bob replied to dwai's topic in Hindu Discussion
who is asking? and if it could be then we would all be in trouble wouldn't we... Anyway, no and no more atoms or sub-atomic particles to split either. -
Do we have to remain aware of our True Nature all the time?
old3bob replied to dwai's topic in Hindu Discussion
4th way students refer to Gurdjieff as Mr. G. George Ivanovich Gurdjieff , was a mystic, philosopher, spiritual teacher, and composer of Armenian and Greek descent, born in Alexandrapol (now Gyumri), Armenia. Gurdjieff taught that most humans do not possess a unified consciousness and thus live their lives in a state of hypnotic "waking sleep", but that it is possible to awaken to a higher state of consciousness and achieve full human potential. Gurdjieff described a method attempting to do so, calling the discipline "The Work] (connoting "work on oneself") or "the System". According to his principles and instructions, Gurdjieff's method for awakening one's consciousness unites the methods of the fakir, monk and yogi, and thus he referred to it as the "Fourth Way". -
Do we have to remain aware of our True Nature all the time?
old3bob replied to dwai's topic in Hindu Discussion
in a nutshell soul learns, Spirit already knows. (knows that there is only ONE of its Self appearing as and seeing through many forms or souls) One does not really own Spirit, for Spirit really owns them `- so to speak -
Do we have to remain aware of our True Nature all the time?
old3bob replied to dwai's topic in Hindu Discussion
undoing to me as in un-attachment to limitations of forms, thus nothing wrong with forms per-se. Shakti can never be negated. -
Do we have to remain aware of our True Nature all the time?
old3bob replied to dwai's topic in Hindu Discussion
Paramhansa Yogananda refining the wave in the ocean analogy further: "...Imagine a bottle, he said, floating on the surface of the sea. This bottle represents the physical body. Enclosed within it is another bottle representing the astral body. Within that second bottle is still another, representing the causal body. The water represented by the wave in our former analogy is contained in that innermost bottle. It cannot merge back in the ocean until its last remaining bottle, the causal body, is broken" -
Do we have to remain aware of our True Nature all the time?
old3bob replied to dwai's topic in Hindu Discussion
Rideforever, sounds like you are getting your interpretations of 4th way stuff mixed in here, for if soul had to accept Spirit into itself at some point or time per the following concept of yours (Of course when you discover "I" ... it is immediate. But to get it inside the human soul takes time) it would not exist in the first place....what soul has to accept and work on is removal of the veils over the Spirit which already is its inner most Self. (as deeply implied by the Upanishads) Making a better astral and or causal body that then accepts Spirit is not it, although those bodies are very important for evolutionary workings and manifestation. I remember reading of Mr. G. being quoted as off offhandedly saying this or that person had no soul which really missed the mark of deeper perception per Vedic related schools and teachings of Self Realized beings, a saying btw. which Mr. G later took back. -
agreed, also if anyone thinks a "for now" with the present conditions is in anyway guaranteed or predictable for more than a day or two then they are fooling themselves.
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‘Here is the message of HaKadosh, the True One, the one who has the key of David, who, if he opens something, no one else can shut it, and if he closes something, no one else can open it.
