old3bob

in the meantime "old chums come to the cabaret"!

so I'd say a potential waterloo level test matched to or privy like for us particular beings is somewhere in the wings until overcome.

I'd use a change in wording to say: enlightenment or the Self is what we are, for if it could "become" then it could also unbecome. (so at that level I'd say ST is right about it is all now) We or It realizes that we are not just a human being, mind or soul which is a form used or even a god which is also a form used. (for the Self is not a form and only it is truly enlightened, although and granted it does echo through forms, and more pointedly through very evolved, wise and compassionate ones but it is still a kind of (technical like) mistake to say that such and such a person is enlightened for if the Self is unveiled and working more through a particular being then it knows that that particular being which many people may see, proclaim or talk about is really and also a passing vehicle, whether relatively young or countless eons mature in form. (for example the life time of Lord Brahma is a very long cosmic cycle!) (I changed some of my wording above being that most folks would not appreciate hearing or being more or less pigeon holed or labeled as a thing...)

revisiting this in another context: We could ask if the temptation of Jesus Christ was real? Could he have failed and fallen and if not then could we say that that test was not real? Was his life journey painless and smooth, (per all his divine experience, spiritual being, preparations and well developed subtle body of proven acts in the world of mankind) well and for example there are several a major examples opposite to a painless and smooth journey for instance the very knarly mountain of doubt that he had and faced, namely, "my God, my God why has thou forsaken me"?

well we could also say that even though ego holds on it has in certain cases been indelibly impacted and seen as a passing construct, thus it can never regain the power it had once commandeered...

that's a good analogy, and goes a very long ways in helping but in the end neither a teacher nor a system can take a certain step for us which only we can take...

and which almost killed Gopi Krishna even though his intentions and practice were 100% devotional, hopeful and pure according to his recounting as I remember reading it... anyway a million volts, as an analogy, is still a million volts and preparation is wise but still one can only make so many preparations before getting shocked (figuratively) one way or another.

The mind and or our minds with all of its powers can not pass over or through the threshold to no-thing, although it can realize that and be lawful servant up to the threshold. Few of us are ready to pay the absolute price to cross over to no-thing which is no-mans and no gods land, I'm not although a partial peek can take place but that also has its price...

Only the Absolute or the Self knows the Absolute or the Self beyond regular knowing, that is the catch while we are pondering. The Absolute or Source does provide and power (the Shakti of) all permutations of its Self which are connected so to speak, but it is also transcendent to them, thus and namely not bound to or by the laws that they are under per the "One" of all time and space which some here are strangely in a convoluted denial of? (which to me is like a denial of pure Shakti working there-in although it is not divorced from the Absolute or the Self, thus being an inseparable first manifest aspect) In other words the unmanifest is connected to the manifest with there being no running away from the manifest and all of its laws.

I think that is a great excerpt from said author! The light/Shakti for him is described as settling into a wonderful/awesome 24/7 presence and who could ask for more concerning evolution! I'd also say it can be piercing like an arc-light that is way to bright and blinding to look at although that may just be part of a transition to his description? Yet if light goes inside of itself what will it find, I'd say its Source...beyond description and memory which can not nail it down.

the one some haven't realized yet

ok, we have heard that many a time which does not take into account evolution of the soul, (although and granted the Self, which could be said to be the Soul of the soul does not evolve) anyway we could say all beings will realize such by the end of the cosmic cycle, ready or not.

Btw. i'd say transcendental ponderings, etc. are not excuses to not deal with the "world" of people and our environmental degradations... dreams do not feed the hungry, homeless and suffering multitudes, work on serious environmental concerns or free people who are better off in the physical or astral worlds.

well worth repeating by Zerostao: "If by chance, the elites pull off some bizarre crime against humanity Hey it's not like they haven't done such in the past---- and a HOT CIVIL WAR breaks out amongst us,, STAND DOWN do not buy into it, do not be duped, Of course, you will stand your ground, defend yourself if it encroaches onto you, that is only Natural, and i send energies of success for such. Do not join in the participation of leaving your abode to go on the offensive against your neighbors. They are only co-victims such as yourself in this. It will take great effort from ALL of US to limit the Horror and Terror. City Folk or Country Folk, we are All Folk, and in the same boat. Careful, thoughtful, navigation of stormy waters, and maybe with a little luck, we will get through it. "....the thread is about survival, there are times when surviving becomes more challenging. often, it is your state of mind that will determine your outcome. Stay focused. Stay calm"

there is that song about about how a country boy can survive, and mostly off the land. Well there are still some places left where that might be possible but there are less and less of such places as time goes by because the Earth's eco systems are taking a beating and growing populations are rapidly consuming natural resources! An example from the past was how plains Indians of west survived pretty well for a very long time until the Buffalo was almost completely wiped out by greed and cruel stupidity and as part of plans for genocide of American Indians! My point: a country boy can only survive as long as there is good country to do it in which tragically is disappearing here in the US and around the world!

if there is space there is time, with both joined at the hip so to speak... it all begins and it all ends over and over again, the children of the Absolute are not illusions but the Absolute Itself veiled in forms by lawful purpose. "In the beginning was the Word..." or figure this: “There is a beginning. There is no beginning of that beginning. There is no beginning of that no beginning of beginning. There is something. There is nothing. There is something before the beginning of something and nothing, and something before that. Suddenly there is something and nothing. But between something and nothing, I still don't really know which is something and which is nothing. Now, I've just said something, but I don't really know whether I've said anything or not.”― Zhuangzi

Righto which I was trying to get at, and I'd add that that knowing is not of mind knowing or knowledge, but of Spirit knowing which sees right through mental constructs.

Did you hear that term back then? I was also there near Anchorage for a couple of years in the 70's. The summers were great, not so much for the long winters! It was different, for instance if someone poached a moose it might make front page news but if someone was murdered in the wild down town area it might be reported on the 3rd page of the local papers...

A term that it is probably not heard much anywhere else but Alaska is this: "Pioneers who wandered the territory carrying sourdough starter in their packs became known as “sourdoughs”—a term that is now used to label an Alaskan old timer". (and some who were or are pretty sour like in dealing with greenhorns)

"Tao goes far and returns, to paraphrase a saying." (and also in a way never left per my understanding)

Well I watch tv or movies looking for epic adventures, quests or action, say "Lord of the Rings" type shows or something like "Bosch" the detective, some informative historical documentaries, treasure hunting, an occasional survival episode and quality Sci-Fi like "Dune",, so my bias is related to those.

Does anyone think TV and movies overdoing all the sexual variations of people on their shows, it seems kind of like sometimes when making it a big part of the show...then again I'm an old guy pretty set in my ways.

I'd suggest getting off the esoteric high horse which is above it all, for in the created universe with countless beings there is time, space, seasons etc...whereas no-thing, no space, and no time, is also no man's and no gods land where evolution has ended or never was and only one being exists yet That is big enough to include said creation not as a nihilistically denied illusion but as relative reality. Tao goes far and returns, to paraphrase a saying.

we know that a whoosh takes time to pronounce

are you saying evolution does not need time? Since time is an illusion per your manifesto...