old3bob

True identity engenders will for the best actions in alignment with it, without true identity directing the will one is more or less in for a world of karmic complications.

yea some are more subtle than others, but all forms of sorcery are more or less willful misuse of energies thus are of demonic natures ranging from the first through the seventh hells. Btw such is both within as you say and also without; and any deal made to feed or keep such forces on a leash for whatever purpose is a losing proposition. I don't see the "magic" of spiritual truth, Christ divinity and the law of and for the greater good to protect against demons as sorcery per its common meaning.

Lucifer is fallen, now dark prince of demons; so no spin on sorcery or his being make him a light bearer now. Beware of pacific beach property for sale in Arizona...

more teachings from luciferin pawns, how clever just co-opt some names and various teachings from history and cultures, add some half truths and some interestingly seductive promises, methods and results of this and that about will, and bingo you have sorcery veiled as some kind of enticing "magic")

measures of personalized individual power is from the greater power that gives or lends it when aligned with it, the bottom line is that the true Source of power has us, and so to ever think we can have great power for just our own designs is just more ego.

I think saying certain souls instead of implying that humans from other star systems came here would be more correct...being that souls incased in earth bodies (or humans) did not exist in that way until they could incarnate into an a human body. (along with there being evolution of human forms) so even though there is an order of souls that are said to have humanoid like form that does not mean they were originally of earth/human form before coming here) Btw. there are different orders of souls and thus they are not the same; for instance there are orders of angels and god souls and their various forms)

above animals below angels is a common saying...its also said that all beings are evolving or devolving or one or the other at different times. Thus mankind and individuals can evolve or devolve.

one could call or use the term Brahman per teachings of Hindusim for the idea of Single soul that you are using, in other words the eternal Soul (not limited by time space or form) of all souls; with souls being made or woven in the image of Soul yet still evolving before returning to "Single" Soul.

surely if they knew of the Bhagwan moniker besides the Osho one then more than likely they also knew of any other ones,

and will you please straighten up the tower of Pizza while you are nipping about,

So another way to ask is if the Sun is to advanced of a teacher or Being for the Earth, obviously yes unless she is at a distance and has an electro-magnetic force field, atmosphere, rotation and other factors to cut down on the UV.. Fortunately a great master has a human vehicle to use to moderate force for other Beings in comparison to the sun.

It's amazing that a great many people don't know the facts and history of Osho! (a name change for the con man Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who ruined a lot of lives and to keep selling co-opted, "New age" types of books and materials . Btw I'm no expert on the facts like I imagine Cobie could be from first hand experience)

no, but there was the careless and stupid death of his broken hearted girlfriend, the poisoning of people in a small town in Oregon by his underlings, and his multiple Rolls Royce vehicles paid for by ripping off the sheep who fell for him, but of course a renaissance guy like Nungali knows all that.

well besides "advanced" many decent people fell hard for fakes like Osho, (and dozens of others over the years) thus the sheep will not always remain so among the wolves.

well we've mostly been describing positive types of teachers yet there is also a hell of a lot to be learned from negative types of stuff, (usually in hindsight) although I wouldn't wish such on anyone... for instance and a hard one is knowing betrayal, and also that most of us have had part in betrayed in one way or another.

...also as a mirror. and that mirror may not be to easy to look at (and could act like instant karma coming back to ya) ....yet still show a way through.

well the words, "too advanced" may have some iffy connotations, perhaps saying that a teacher should be further along than their student on certain things enables them to help...although a good teacher will also say that they learn certain things from their students. Anyway there is a natural hierarchy not to be discounted, thus respected; along with taking into account the saying about not lording it over on others which is located somewhere it the T.T.C. that I don't remember at the moment...

Agreed that they are not too advanced to help one in certain or key ways, but in comparison too advanced to spend all their time with a beginner or intermediate who should be aware of and appreciate that and not impinge on them. Same with Deities that can help in certain and key ways but a student should not make an immature assumption that they would suddenly be at that stage of evolution.

indeed, and we wouldn't want the complication of knowledge getting far ahead of our level of being... which can easily happen with the flood of materials available these days via multiple sources.

I'd say no, since an advanced teacher should or would normally assign one of their other students to help you - one that is closer to your level... it is a fallacy to think we need and or should have the most advanced of teachers. For instance in martial arts a brown belt will help the lower ranks and an advanced black belt will help the brown belts and new black belts. That does not mean that the advanced teacher wouldn't check in on us at the lower ranks now and then....

as a cop or judge would say...I've been lucky not to have been caught for the all the stuff I used to pull ! (speeding for just one ;-)

and there is the old saying of, "ignorance is bliss" ;-)

Brahman

reasonable measures for reasonable ends definitely have a place, although the plans of mice and men can go awry, so in the end game what can one really count on...

Thanks, btw. and in a certain sense I'd use the term dipolar for this...