old3bob
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as he gets older his practice of "Right" eating will probably become more orderly.
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I don't do any such thing, for Buddhist scripture (and their teachers) differ from Hindu teachings on Eternal Brahman and the Grace of Brahman, btw there are also "qualified non-dualism" (Vishishtadvaita) and "dualism" schools in Hinduism which I'm sure Dwai could go into much greater detail about than me. Also I try not to make trespassing like claims for or against disparate non-dualistic teachings as if I'm in the know about them (as I've tried to express recently by saying, "live and let live" ) thus I hear what sounds like a kind of unfounded projection on your part...but no biggy since we may hash it out.
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interesting that you put your opinion higher than the teachings (transmitted in the the lines and in between the lines) of the Historic Buddha, and all of the teachers that came after him.... Knock me up the side of the head for being so obscured...
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Like I've said sever So Steve (or anyone else) did the historic Buddha ever embrace and use pointers to the Eternal unchanging Brahman and The Grace of Brahman? And do stout Buddhists in the present day (for instance the Dalai Lama) who follow the Historic Buddha's teachings yet somehow also go against him and thus embrace such pointers to Eternal Brahman and the Grace of Brahman? (and also spread such a teachings and GIVE WITNESS AS YOU IMPLY to same via their own "subtle" realizations) I'd say the answer is simply NO, regardless of rationalizations used here lately along with transcendental finery to do so. (btw and as anyone who has studied a little bit about Hinduism knows, its major and differing sects and a great many of its major and differing schools that are directed by highly achieved mystic guru's do not agree on a lot of key and important points across such sects and schools, yet it is built into their common ground Hindu dharma to respect such differences and to not make trespassing like claims that they all end up at the same realization or enlightenment....and that is even with them using many of the same spiritual resources per the Vedas, Upanishads, Gita, etc. etc.)
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why are you butting in and making asides about me, not at all kosher dude. You can pm people if you want to start your own little groupie.
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no problemo with other ways...(in almost all cases except for cults when it comes to forms of violence, subtle or not so subtle) Btw we do have different forums for different peoples to get into it with their particular ways; and we also have the general forum that is more or less a free for all within site rules. Anyway and as an example it should be fairly obvious that one should not go into the Taoist forum, even if they mean well, but then imply or hammer on about Taoists somehow being Buddhists, Hindus, Shamans, non-dualists or whatever but its just that they don't get it yet... or doing the likes of that in any other dedicated forum. So please quit projecting upon me, trying to draw me into, or teach me (with the assumption that I should get it) your take on things which I don't agree about except for our humanistic type common ground that I've mentioned several times.
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Fair-to-midland...I think you have meant well but lets realize or extrapolate on the fact that my op was put in the Hindu forum for a reason, and not the more wild west, sometimes fun and general forum of wide ranging debates and topics. (or in the Buddhist forum to rub some noses in it)
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ok, so you got a bone and won't let it go, Good luck
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of course a lot of that depends on vows... and if a student is ever going to chosen as a successor and lineage holder or a particular school then they too will have to decide at what point they will stick to that. (for instance a Hindu swami will not advocate for their students and householders to quit Hinduism and go over to Buddhist schools although they may teach of common ground and understanding of same and also of differences) But what do I know since I have very limited experience....
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if one desires to be a quasi Buddhist, quasi Hindu or both along with various New Age like correlations mixed in then it should be named so...and we should also know and see that in most cases one will not find lineage holders and serious students that are part of traditional schools doing such mixing. (and for good reasons) So again common ground should be appreciated but imo it should not end up mudding or dissipating the waters either. Btw some of the key Buddhist teachings or concepts you have quoted or paraphrased recently do not show any correlations to key Hindu teachings or concepts and never can and never will per Buddhist or Hindu scriptures and their related and well known and respected Lama's or Satguru's that never teach of such mixing in their schools.
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well do we now see or can we agree that certain correlations do not work? As for pointers or descriptors they are what they are and if they can be useful then fine, if not then we should come back to the idea of toleration with, "live and let live" imo. Btw a major saying in Hinduism is the aspect, if one wants to call it that, is that God is transcendent besides other aspects that manifest or are connected, so in that sense God is not bound by any causes or effects as Source, Brahman or Supreme Being...
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Sri Vidya, Yantra, Mantra, Tantra, Mudra, Guru Karunamaya
old3bob replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Hindu Discussion
you might consider if you haven't already that besides there being certain energies or principles that there are also certain and actual souls or gods in related realms that the Supreme Being works through. -
Thanks for all of that feedback Stirling and I think I get what you are saying...but above you have used the term "mind" per Buddhism...which has a very different and factual meaning in schools of Hinduism. Thus making or assuming certain correlations between the two is way off for both. Also certain teachings and methods have proven fruitful for preparation although they do not make the choice or have the power of Grace as alluded to in the quoted Upanishad above and as far as I know is a very major point in most schools of Hinduism, since it is Brahman/Grace that makes the choice, something that the historic Buddha never mentions as being an all important and key factor if I'm not mistaken. (granted he taught the merits of human compassion as being of great importance - yet I'd say that is not the same as the infinite magnitude of Brahman/Grace!) Good day
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Excellent resource Dwai, Thank you (and a down-loadable pdf!)
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Besides only trying to figure out human like motives of the WHY's and how's that God may or may not be exercising... we could also include an analogy that sees that God is not limited to human like motives and for such a case lets use the Sun in the sky as a stand in for God. For instance lets say the sun just is - it is a source of great radiating energies including warmth and light which in those ways is not questioned or in doubt as to giving life to countless creatures on earth under varying conditions. So further how could such a source of energy be blamed in a human way for what happens with the very wide ranging derivatives of its energies that are distant to it or become blocked off? Also what creature of the earth could take the full force of the suns energies at a distance of zero? ....
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Katha-Upanishad note: "The Katha-Upanishad is probably the most widely known of all the Upanishads. It was early translated into Persian and through this rendering first made its way into Europe. Later Raja Ram Mohun Roy brought out an English version. It has since appeared in various languages; English, German and French writers are all agreed in pronouncing it one of the most perfect expressions of the religion and philosophy of the Vedas. Sir Edwin Arnold popularized it by his metrical rendering under the name of "The Secret of Death," and Ralph Waldo Emerson gives its story in brief at the close of his essay on "Immortality." There is no consensus of opinion regarding the place of this Upanishad in Vedic literature. Some authorities declare it to belong to the Yajur-Veda, others to the Sama-Veda, while a large number put it down as a part of the Atharva-Veda. The story is first suggested in the Rig-Veda; it is told more definitely in the Yajur-Veda; and in the Katha-Upanishad it appears fully elaborated and interwoven with the loftiest Vedic teaching. There is nothing however, to indicate the special place of this final version, nor has any meaning been found for the name Katha. The text presents a dialogue between an aspiring disciple, Nachiketas, and the Ruler of Death regarding the great Hereafter."
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(edited clarification) I don't agree about the use of the word "meaningless" in the context that enlightened beings have picked "rafts" back up or not dismantled them because they re-use them as evidenced by thousands of years of various schools traditions and their teachers modus operandi. What we believe "in spiritually" and try to practice in manifest worlds per our backgrounds and natures has importance along the lines of what and how a teacher (distinctly) teaches to help their differing students in preparation for "going beyond"; (using the analogy that a 1st grader should progress to the 12th grade before going on) so to me any throwing of the baby out with the bath water is not unlike dismantling rafts before making a crossing. You sound pretty wound up about this subject and I'm not sure why....I say live and let live.
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I agree on your last point...but we also know that millions of Buddhists would not appreciate being told they are really Hindus although they just don't know it yet or vice-versa...Btw Hinduism does not have one particular human founder of authority who arose 200, 2000, 2500, or 5,000 years ago and then passed on with or without naming an equal successor, thus it is called Sanatana Dharma. Anyway common ground can and should be recognized but to force correlations as if all is equal just isn't going to work is it?
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I've only been a guest to Hinduism (which includes vast cultural ways and differing sects with some pretty major differences between them which I'm not qualified to talk about with any expertise - say like Dwai is) anyway I find the Upanishads to be the clearest pointers for me; so as far as drawing correlations with sayings from different sects of Buddhism I'd say that I don't know about the wisdom or validity of doing that, although I can appreciate some of Buddhist sayings and common ground to a certain point, yet to me they skirt or never mention Atman/Brahman meanings. (or deny same per their scriptures or per their Lama's or Guru's)
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Some enjoy their own ramblings and projections above all else, "whatever" and blocked.
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a sexually predatory pervert and drug addicted scammer is not my cup of tea. Apparently he is for some which is of their choice regardless of any other rationalizations for drinking such a cup of tea.
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Surely you have a Bible tucked away somewhere, if not they are on line, thus a possible benefit from your own reading.
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"Carefull not to bind yourself with the shackles of Reason. Magick is beyond it." by Desmonddf So are demons, Angels, Master Saints, ancient Elder souls and the "magic" so to speak of Peace and Grace that is beyond normal understanding.
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thanks for explaining crowely's inverted error and willfully driven ignorance. (for will can be used for or directed by either good or evil, while love in its true context can only be used for or direct for goodness)
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