old3bob
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I'd say that some things, some methods and some forms can be nailed down, grasped or held, whereas love in the context of the NT quote can not be nailed down, grasped or held in that way for one's self. Thus one can not have said "love" in a controlling sense or that is not of spiritual freedom. (or spirit unto spirit)
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besides Solomons existential breakdown and yet also stark insight and realization of a condition he experienced and described as, "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity" we then hear him tell of coming out the other-side of that conundrum in the latter part of the book of Ecclesiastics.... which could also be said to be along the lines of this later saying in the NT, "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have absolute faith so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing"
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I don't buy any spooky or magic sounding stuff about will which can become some form of self spun sorcery, regardless of any co-opted or occult sounding jargon trying to call it otherwise and that in some circles (like crowleys) may include sayings like, "true will". I've been very fortunate to come across the indomitable will of the Golden Being and that will carries through with wise intent, the will of the Source (and other aspects) of Spirit which is known in Christianity as, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing..." (I'd also bring up as a tangential example that at a certain point Solomon acquired various forms of "occult" power, achievement and will but later said upon stark personal insight of himself (and of others on similar courses), "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity", thankfully and in the end he went further than that with a far greater saying found in Ecclesiastes.
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I meant a variation to part of your quote with the words, "purity of Spirit that leads will", which to me parallels "of this root can nothing spring but what is good"
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ok here a qualifier for those who may be interested... part of the intuited meaning should include that the intent is not to harm in pre-meditated or hostile ways which in no way rules out self defense, which btw is something Gandhi was not shy about if it came down to it.
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The concept and action of "harm none" is not limited by or to any particular time or person that may speak those words, including ancient peoples of 5,000+ years ago, more modern day Wiccans or otherwise, it is a universal spiritual principle and is in no way in conflict with higher being, Beings or purity of Spirit that leads will, while very sick and perverted sex creeps like crowley that co-opt bits and pieces of various spiritual teachings for their own designs and then try to pass themselves off as somehow being masters or enlightened is an evil sham that causes harm to the impressionable that fall under such seductive spells, and also to those who end up willfully choosing to indulge in such. Some well known examples of such creeps have been revealed throughout history, while others will largely remain unknown.
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"...For Crowley, sex was treated as a sacrament, with the consumption of sexual fluids interpreted as a Eucharist.[246] This was often manifested as the Cakes of Light, a biscuit containing either menstrual blood or a mixture of semen and vaginal fluids.[247] The Gnostic Mass is the central religious ceremony within Thelema." I sure hope you guys haven't swallowed this kind of shit from crowley! If so adios...
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lies are very often hidden in or with half truths...I'd say one of the real or main purposes of developing will is to have the will to surrender it , thus not to become a super egotist which will happen otherwise. The 4th way has a lot of good fragments in it (although I think some of its teachers or students also went off the deep- end) with parts of it teachings that can clear up and out most of gobble-de-gook from the likes of a fallen crowley. I think your intent with the OP was good but misled with rationalizations from those who mislead. (knowingly or unknowingly)
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...thanks for demonstrating above what I was pointing out about the devolving process of willfulness trying to pass it itself off as being "spiritual"! or being "all important" as an egotist would say.
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"Do what thou wilt" sounds like it forgot the part that says, "if it harms none, do what you will", thus the variation you quoted without the other part (? )could easily devolve or be by default a ticket to empower egotists dreams (with Putin, trump and trumpism being current examples among many on the world scene) which results in compounded and great suffering for many.
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how could (normal) death be logging out when it is connected at the hip to (normal) life? While Self Realization is beyond both...
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different and unusual, I wonder how it was made?
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the bottom line is that Shankara taught of that which is 180 degrees out from the core Buddhist teaching which is against Atman/Brahman, and that still stands regardless of anyone beating around the bush about it or in trying to draw correlations. Granted there is much common ground per many of the teachings in Hinduism and Buddhism that don't conflict but not in the core or central one. And for anyone to espouse that they are somehow equal in that core teaching is a disservice too both, imo.
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I'm talking about what was recorded and passed down as witness to what the Historic Buddha said before his passing, thus not what later Buddhists said nor per whatever sect they are part of or per whatever the founders of (later) sects may have said.
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The Historic Buddha did not dismiss deities yet many "modern" Buddhists seem to feel free to do so....umm
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it seems like there is tons of commentary to be found on the internet about Adi Shankara teachings compared to there not being tons of direct quotes. But a main and directly stated one is on the reality of Atman/Brahman which is contrary to Buddhist teachings
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what Adi Shankaracharya also refuted....for instance and in a small nutshell: "A central concern for Shankara, in his objections against Buddhism, is what he perceives as nihilism of the Buddhists. Shankara states that there "must be something beyond cognition, namely a cognizer," which he asserts is the self-evident Atman or witness. Buddhism, according to Shankara, denies the cognizer" (but of course you probably came across such as the little quote above a very, very long time ago?)
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the Upanishads and that that they point towards easily refute all that.... btw we are not in a Buddhist or Hindu forum where going whole hog along such lines would be more appropriate imo.
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The Goa'uld must have had something to do with advancements in Egyptian technology...even though they were nasty symbionts!
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I was shown countless threads connected to countless beings with the ancient weaver of youth and beauty singing her never ending yet always new and sacred song into the loom of Earth's tapestry...
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Thanks man and no hard problemo's... :-)
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when looking from a low lying trench the mountain top seems distant and unclear, but that of the mountain top can see directly into said trench and knows without doubt...
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"According to the theory of emptiness, any belief in an objective reality grounded in the assumption of intrinsic, independent existence is simply untenable. All things and events, whether 'material', mental or even abstract concepts like time, are devoid of objective, independent existence ... Things and events are 'empty' in that they can never possess any immutable essence, intrinsic reality or absolute 'being' that affords independence. - 14th Dalai Lama" Up to a point I can see what the Dalai Lama is saying above... but then there comes a difference and divergence in sayings for me compared to his in that I'd bring up what could be called the "transcendent" or "beyond categories" which is not dependent upon categories nor empty, thus is of immutable essence, intrinsic reality and is absolute or Supreme 'Being' or Brahman, which granted is not separate in a certain way (or dualistic if you will) but also is not bound by or conditioned by categories of derivatives - so and in a certain way is independent of them or their goings on (or the laws that govern them) YET and importantly is (non-dualistically) connected to same as Source .
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that was a lovely addition of information and pictures Nungali.
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Invocation to Gaia ― John Seed in “Thinking Like a Mountain: Towards a Council of All Beings” We ask for the presence of the spirit of Gaia and pray that the breath of life continue to caress this planet home. May we grow into true understanding ― a deep understanding that inspires us to protect the tree on which we bloom, and the water, soil and atmosphere without which we have no existence. May we turn inwards and stumble upon our true roots in the intertwining biology of this exquisite planet. May nourishment and power pulse through these roots, and fierce determination to continue the billion-year dance. May love well up and burst forth from our hearts. May there be a new dispensation of pure and powerful consciousness and the charter to witness and facilitate the healing of the tattered biosphere. We ask for the presence of the spirit of Gaia to be with us here. To reveal to us all that we need to see, for our own highest good and for the highest good of all. We call upon the spirit of evolution, the miraculous force that inspires rocks and dust to weave themselves into biology. You have stood by us for millions and billions of years — do not forsake us now. Empower us and awaken in us pure and dazzling creativity. You that can turn scales into feathers, seawater to blood, caterpillars to butterflies, metamorphose our species, awaken in us the powers that we need to survive the present crisis and evolve into more aeons of our solar journey. Awaken in us a sense of who we truly are: tiny ephemeral blossoms on the Tree of Life. Make the purposes and destiny of that tree our own purpose and destiny. Fill each of us with love for our true Self, which includes all of the creatures and plants and landscapes of the world. Fill us with a powerful urge for the wellbeing and continual unfolding of this Self. May we speak in all human councils on behalf of the animals and plants and landscapes of the Earth. May we shine with a pure inner passion that will spread rapidly through these leaden times. May we all awaken to our true and only nature — none other than the nature of Gaia, this living planet Earth. We call upon the power which sustains the planets in their orbits, that wheels our Milky Way in its 200-million-year spiral, to imbue our personalities and our relationships with harmony, endurance and joy. Fill us with a sense of immense time so that our brief, flickering lives may truly reflect the work of vast ages past and also the millions of years of evolution whose potential lies in our trembling hands. O stars, lend us your burning passion. O silence, give weight to our voice. We ask for the presence of the spirit of Gaia. Invocation to Gaia.docx
