old3bob

thanks for that although I was hoping for a shorter paraphrase in text since my hearing is so bad that I can only make out parts of what he said; also I'm not into his school although there are many things in common across various schools of "Hinduism"

does anyone say how karma or the first of karma came around, with us human beings obviously not being the first to come around in the cosmic cycles....

I worked on a lot of hydraulic based equipment for years, then come to find out after a long time that I was not properly warned about just how dangerous small but high pressures leaks could be since they were often not given the needed precautions compared to working on the more obvious dangers of major leaks such as a line, ram or valve body erupting (a great deal) of hot fluid...

next up we could talk about the potential dangers of hydraulic lines/equipment if its fluid were accidently injected into a persons body! (namely with or while a mechanic is working on same)

ok, but that short quote is still the final summation by the founder of Buddhism of lets say ten thousand volumes of Buddhist writings.

that's right just 100 milliamps on the heart to stop it (which is a very small amount!!) ....BTW if a persons skin is dry and they have no cuts and are not grounded like on a cement floor along with wearing dry rubber sole shoes then their resistance in ohms is higher which lessons the flow electrical amps if they happen to get across household 120vac or other sources of voltage or a certain amount of DC volts if working around it (this includes not being in contact with any other type of ground or wire which completes a circuit through the body, for instance touching a metal water pipe or any other type of conductor material) There is also the one hand precaution when working around electricity. Which means if you get shocked through one hand and one side of your body the damage may be less compared to getting shocked if coming in contact with both hands since then the current could flow through both arms and across your chest and heart!! These precautions in no way mean that one can touch or have any part of their body come into contact with hot electrical wires at any time or anywhere and not get killed, although in an accident such precautions may improve one's odds of surviving. I remember years ago when some guys set up their amplifiers for their rock band on damp grass and when one of them touched the amplifier he was killed. For any interested here are the ohms law formulas : I=current, v =voltage, R=ohms, p=power or watts Plug in some various numbers and you will probably be surprised at how high current flow can be at low fairly voltages! I once got very painfully shocked by around 300vdc, which could have easily killed me! (which happened when I was a mechanic doing electrical work with hardly any training for same) In industry with very high voltages like 13.8kv or 34.5kv and even far less at 440vac its copper based connection or buss equipment can be vaporized if shorted out which is extremely dangerous/deadly if a person is anywhere close to a resulting and intensely flashed/exploding cloud of vaporized copper particles!

not many Buddhists have posted the summation below from the historic Buddha, why not who knows? “There is, Oh Monks, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. Monks, if that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded.” — Buddha which I'd say also has relation to the Jonang shentong quote... alas such will be beaten to death by various sects and experts.

there are places in the US where some people are able to set up remote camps, although sooner or later they are found out and are told to move along by the authorities, unless they are so far out where there aren't any kind of roads or means of transportation, even then a helicopter might spot them via their campfire or getting turned in by hunters/hikers who happen to come across them.

I'd say it depends on who is listening or not listening to ways of the elemental forces of the ocean, the sun, the singing of stars and a thousand others....

we have 240 but it is split down to 120 before being wired up in homes, seems 240 would be a lot more dangerous if a person got across it! I got a fancy inverter for dc to ac but haven't wired it up (or a battery bank) yet and don't know when i will unless the grid goes down and hopefully that does not happen in the middle of a winter blizzard!

we are fortunate where I'm at being that our little walk in clinic is staffed with well qualified doctors that in many cases see a person quickly and often resolve issues there, but if needed our county hospital and staff are also pretty quick in seeing people. The crowds at big hospitals in big cities remind me of L.A traffic jams!

a lot of surfing has become super competitive and dare-devil like, there is still some communing with nature aspect to it but that often gets drowned out by all the hype. Decades ago I was fortunate to get in a lot of such communing in far less crowded surfing breaks, even in southern Cal!

be careful what you ask for, you might get it....

many places have trouble getting good service or contractors (for carpentry, concrete, electrical, heating/ac, plumbing) at fair prices!! Btw I have several older vehicles that I can still to work on. So fortunately I can do a lots of work myself on various things whereas many people are held captive by dubious contractors or companies! (with there being thousands of nightmare stories along such lines)

another option for snow country

righto, and who can afford taking their car in for repairs at $120.00 per hr., along with high prices for parts!

Om Tat Sat, Om Tat Sat, Om Tat Sat Om.......

"Classic Jonang shentong holds that while all relative phenomena are empty of inherent existence (svabhava), ultimate reality (paramartha-satya) is not empty of its own inherent existence.[3] In this view, ultimate reality, the buddha-wisdom (buddha-jñana) or buddha-nature (buddhadhātu), is only empty of relative and defiled phenomena, but it is not empty of its countless awakened qualities." fine expression and so logical that such is often lost in super convoluted talk

before the Earth and human beings took form there were and are the heavenly and astral realms with their related gods and subtle beings (or "souls" which btw. the historic Buddha recognized in a well known and major sutra) thus who were around for a very time before 2500 or whatever years ago...for how long who knows but some say the physical Earth is around 4 billion years old.

My take: self (with a small s) means compounded personality and ego which does not last long, while the Soul (or Self large S) of all souls is the pure and uncompounded thus not a woven thing, Btw, there are soul beings which are not the same as just personality and ego and are woven of pure prana. (which can be verified) For instance there are depictions in Buddhism and other ways of radiant soul bodies/beings, for instance Quan Yin (which last a very, very long time before they too return) as sitting on beautiful lotus forms in the purer realms. I believe that the quandary of all the hard core and assumed mental negation or affirmation on this subject is what the historic Buddha was teaching to stay unattached to.

lets not forget the flying nun:

the NT has a lot of elaboration that one can start with....I don't know all the answers, besides people have to find out for themselves!

There is Lord Brahma in Hinduism, the creator aspect as a particular being, but not Brahman which beyond all categories or particular beings, and there are Brahmins of the priestly caste or practices. So lets not confuse those? (although at times these terms may have some cross-mixture or usage) I've heard the term Christ consciousness; what it means or points to is more important than the term itself which I think is a kind of "new age" term. When the term first came into use I don't know. Anyway the virtues of a soul at that point in evolution are well described in the NT and have parallels in other religions, with compassion and wisdom being major ones. Btw. I'd say that the Abrahamic religions can only be cross-correlated to eastern ones up to a point after that they do not really mix. (contrary to "new age" like teachings)

right and some Buddhists deny Buddha nature thus one can go and punt...and see where the ball lands.

my second post answers that being that I quoted a Buddhist teaching genius; which I don't have to be a Buddhist (of which there are many varied and sometimes conflicting sects) to do so, got it?