old3bob

I could but I don't know when...being that I haven't dug into my collection of 4th way materials for decades. Anyway If I remember correctly it was in one of his last conversation's with Mr. O. . Btw, I find many of the "fragments", related teachings and practitioner's to be uniquely informative and potentially helpful although anyone getting into those materials or some of it spun off schools should be "buyer beware". (per there being some 1st hand accounts of certain "4th way" groups going downhill fast per what the "law of seven" says to me of the possibility going downhill)

Btw, Mr. G. admitted his general mess ups before his passing. Note: for a long time he walked around saying this or that people did not have souls which was an egotistical and serious spiritual blindness of his being that all being beings including countless millions or billions of people have a place under the sun and could not or would not exist without a measure of "soul" and or lifeforce from the Source.

A lot depends on if us human beings use our minds and wills for good or evil...and also the mostly unseen forces behind those forces and how we respond or interact with them. In the end only that which is rooted in Dharma or Tao will prevail, granted we have often been in exceedingly long periods of horrific wars or chaos on Mother Earth along with some periods of peace; anyway She too will prevail. Btw. I haven't been a youngster for a very long time but still well remember being taught to "duck and cover" under my 3rd grade desk if the bombs started falling. "The darkest hour is before dawn" and dawn is still a ways off imo.. A saying from many spiritual teachings (both east and west) unquestionably states, "Fear not", and I also appreciate the saying from the novel Dune, "fear is the mind killer".

the good little terrier dog we are taking care of that is attacking its toys with real gusto....

Eduardo, it is far different per the scriptures of Hinduism. Below is an excerpt trying to explain that. Btw. I also believe that most Saivites in their final analysis see Brahman and Shiva as one besides there being manifest properties in form, including transcendental form as depicted in drawings and accounts of Lord Shiva. "Brahman is not "God" Brahman, as understood by the scriptures of Hinduism, as well as by the 'acharyas' of the Vedanta school, (and I add Saivite schools) is a very specific conception of the Absolute. This unique conception has not been replicated by any other religion on earth and is exclusive to Hinduism. Thus to even call this conception of Brahman "God" is, in a sense, somewhat imprecise. This is the case because Brahman does not refer to the anthropomorphic concept of God of the Abrahamic religions. When we speak of Brahman, we are referring neither to the "old man in the sky" concept nor to the idea of the Absolute as even capable of being vengeful, fearful or engaging in choosing a favorite people from among His creatures. For that matter, Brahman is not a "He" at all, but rather transcends all empirically discernable categories, limitations, and dualities." from: https://www.learnreligions.com/brahman-of-the-vedas-1770045

https://vedicfeed.com/meaning-behind-symbols-of-lord-shiva/ (copied from link) "Lord Shiva, Mahadeva is perhaps the most complex of Hindu deity. He is the Auspicious one (Shiva), The terrific one (Rudra), Lord of the Dance (Nataraja), Lord of the universe (Vishwanatha), He is the Destroyer and the Transformer. He is limitless, transcendent, unchanging, formless and also the one without beginning or without end. “SHIVA” means the auspicious one. It is humanly impossible to explain Shiva, just as it is impossible to explain the universe yet let’s make an attempt. From simple human intellect, he is the one from whom the Brahman emerges, in whom it stays and within whom it goes back. Here Brahmman is not mere the Universe but is the one who is the base and cause of the universe. Brahmman holds the universe. Lord Shiva is reasons of all causes. He must not be seen as a Human-God. That’s a wrong notion. Scriptures call him the Nirgun Brahman and the Sagun Brahmman Shiva exists in 3 states Nirgun: In this state he is formless, and the whole universe and creation lie in the pervasiveness of Shiva. Saguna: In the Saguna state Shiva is the entire universe and his “ansh” is present in the tree, the insect, the animal, male, female and the whole creation. In this state, though all forms arise out of him yet, no form can describe him. Nirgun-Sagun: In the Nirgun-Sagun state Shiva is worshipped as the Shivalingam. The word Shivalingam has been derived from Sanskrit roots Shiva (Lord) + Lingam (Mark/Chinha/Symbol). Hence, Shivalingam is the mark of the lord within its creation. Everything in the world arises out of a dome/a ball/ a Pindi. Be it a tree which comes from a seed which is round, a child which comes from a cell which is round, all heavenly bodies are round, the minutes of cells are round and our very earth is round. Everything being round is a mark of the Lord/Shiva. Since Shiva can’t be comprehended, we worship his mark or we worship the whole Brahmman in a Shivalingam..."

...and cats build dens,

some history of cat gods in Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_in_ancient_Egypt

Indeed.... and to me has parallels in the sayings of the Upanishads.

"But consider the Tao, which transcends both finite and infinite. Since the Tao is All and nothing lies outside it, since its multiplicity and unity are identical, when a finite being sheds the illusion of separate existence, he is not lost in the Tao like a dew-drop merging with the sea; by casting off his imaginary limitations, he becomes immeasurable. No longer bound by the worldly categories, 'part' and 'whole', he discovers that he is coextensive with the Tao. Plunge the finite into the infinite and, though only one remains, the finite, far from being diminished, takes on the stature of infinity." anyone know, or any comments?

cats and water http://www.animalplanet.com/pets/healthy-pets/do-cats-really-hate-water/

science from 1894 !

the one and only, he too was once young...

not so natural cats...

the cusp ? The darkest hour is before dawn and that until that incredibly gigantic mountain of karma is dealt with and passed through hold on to your sanity and the Holy Spirit!

so your bowl is half empty which means a depleted poo

furthermore, we are really spirits having a human experience, which is nice to know since we are so often wrapped up with human identity.

Btw, most anyone could use the safe mantra Om Namah Shivaya without being a member of a particular Saivite order although it will not be empowered compared to one being a member and under their related guru. Also in most forms of Hinduism Ganesha is normally or is supposed to be recognized first. (which I believe Dwai could tell us more about if he is so inclined since I'm mostly looking from the outside - in as a "westerner") FYI: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/religion/mantras-chants/know-the-importance-of-chanting-om-namah-shivay/articleshow/75203903.cms

the essence of all forms is here now but the forms come and go...

time is mentioned in the Bible's Book of Revelation 12:6: "time, times and half time" which I'd say most likely also has an esoteric meaning besides fundamentalist interpretations; there is also a Bible verse that possibly mentions going back in time but I've forgotten it for the moment.

from each other as in or per subtle or soul bodies, so yes, particular souls are still separate or differentiated beings to whatever degree, including the souls of gods/goddess...btw I've been fortunate to see that thus I'm not speculating about it.

Time is different for different order of beings, for instance the lifetime of an insect may be measured in days or weeks on the human time scale, while our lifetimes as human beings may be measured in days or weeks on the time scale of very long lived beings in the higher astral, and the lifetime of the higher astral beings may be measured in days or weeks by beings in the god realms, then there is the lifetime or cycle of the universe and Lord Brahma or whatever name one gives the creator God, cosmic creation, or "The One" is of the longest lifetime. ("the First and the Last") Thus no particular so called "immortal" being of subtle form can live longer than the lifetime of the universe which also comes and goes. Lastly the Supreme Being, who is not born and who is also "the eater of death" meaning death can not impact it, is the only true immortal per-se; so to be the truly immortal is to find and know That which is beyond any relative identities in any scales of time.

what happens down under stays down under

did you forget tattoos?

Alice and the Cheshire cat