old3bob

An interesting topic. I'd say there is greater and lesser order, and variables that depend upon the level and scale that laws of universe are in effect for given times and places, with people being part of the that. For instance and on an elemental level one could watch waves braking on a shoreline along with looking for patterns to same. All the waves would generally be braking the same yet there was an occasional and unexpected wave or set of waves. When I was a surfer years ago we would intently focus on watching the wave patterns and timings so we could position ourselves for the best waves yet there were moments when the waves caught us by surprise and either went lull or grew in size and became more desirable. Such occurrences didn't last long before all the surf returned to the general level it had been for that day. The thing is to get in and be in position for the better than unexpected waves one almost had to have a 6th sense like feeling for its coming. So was such a surfer "lucky" or tuned in for being in the right place at the right time during the convergence of normally unpredictable variables? (as for bad luck this idea could be reversed if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time)

that might be further qualified as fearing loss of one's soul (or the loss of one's inner quintessential self besides physical death. (with accompanying forms of madness and or panic)

To fail in certain ways, of which there are many possible, can be a major fear; thus the sayings, "die trying" , "die hard", "do or die", or "no turning back" may come into play to combat failure. (and the feelings it may bring like hopelessness)

there really is no "non-being" per-se, thus I'd say the term is often misunderstood. But there is no-thing which is not nothing...anyway mind can not wrap itself around no-thing because mind is a thing.

I'd say yes as an evolutionary process for soul to manifest Spirit, Spirit which is already our or the true Self, although being veiled for most of us.

I'd say, institutionalized Christianity institutionalized guilt as a virtue, while a spiritual Christ does not.

is not "God" (of a non-dualistic concept) already running through everyone's veins and the entire multiverse whether we recognize it or not, or whether there is a death of 'Me' or not, thus a relative Me is ultimately and only apparent? btw, I'm not a big fan of absolute type sayings like the one I made above (which are often getting ahead of the game abstractions) although I keep them in mind so to speak.

sounds to me like some contradictions in definitions and practices. As for chemo no healthy person is going to volunteer to be in trials for that so I see your point there. Btw I asked a chemo nurse/tech how much the chemo drugs had changed over the years and was surprised to hear that most chemo drugs are still the same after decades, although making limited choices in the type of chemo used and or changes in getting doses "correct" via diagnostics (and studies) and monitoring has improved, along with the use of certain secondary drugs in conjunction with chemo or in case of more serious reactions to an already and inherently dangerous process to one's health!

Some of the posts here reminded me of that saying, "he who hesitates is lost"; which can be a form of fear related to doubts operating in us which can stymie the will to act or react . Some dicey situations give little or no room or time for hesitation; thus the person who does not hesitate in such situations can "get into the zone" and pull through even if they were not fully prepared, being that there are situations where one can never be fully prepared for, thus only engage in at the moment. (along with a fine line of not being foolish having some bearing)

some tangents people might want to kick around: fear of the unknown "what you fear shall come upon you" a leap of faith greater than the fear to do so "Fear not" dare devils risking death to feel alive "nothing to fear but fear itself" "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" malice and greed are linked to fear stop feeding your fear

right, and chemo would seemingly be in a similar ballpark? "The term "allopathy" was coined in 1842 by C.F.S. Hahnemann to designate the usual practice of medicine (allopathy) as opposed to homeopathy, the system of therapy that he founded based on the concept that disease can be treated with drugs (in minute doses) thought capable of producing the same symptoms in healthy people as the disease itself."

upon seeing death die, fear can longer arise. and something about rhino's having no place to stick their horn....

"fear is the mind killer", which I believe is a line in a Dune novel. Panic is fear run wild, meaning less survival chances compared to fear with some measure of reasoning. For instance in a potential drowning situation one could remember to try a body float method instead of failing at the water. Btw, I knew a guy who could not swim and thus was afraid of being water over his head in depth. I told him to just use the very easily done dead-man's float if that happened and he said, "that's what I'll be a, dead man floating"....

well now if we have a deadly disease like Brad Pitt did (which can be cured later) then the zombies will pass us by, so there is hope. Btw, what is the name for that kind of medicine in using one poison to get rid of another?

or maybe zombies for real? (thus have all the zombie movies been to forewarn us? Btw. I don't believe it's possible to transform into a zombie in minutes, seems like it would take at least a few days? )

WTF Joe B.?

along the lines that "enlightenment" (which is outside of time) will never happen in some projected future after you have done x, y and z.

Agreed in looking at things from tit-for-tat lawful perspective, yet I'd say there are "higher" forces that can choose to suspend, mitigate, supersede (to whatever degree?) and even absorb karma's (to some degree?) for purposes greater than that which seems to be only bound by or falls under karmas....

I didn't know the UK took over the Federation...

The suffering on Earth and of the Earth Herself does not go unseen or untreated... "Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea... " from Revelation 21

always can be thankful in different ways and for different things but can't be merry this Christmas while 3500 Americans a day are dying from covid...

open for interpretation...(maybe being chased by a big dog?)

yea, our facility used a whole lot of natural gas which we had close to zero problems with on the supply side of it, although once it got to our equipment problems arose now and then related to operational controls or maintenance. I remember one time when we were purging a huge receiver where nasty black condensate was designed to settle out. There was a young engineer with us who had on fancy new leather suede boots and fancy western wear to match. When we purged the receiver that black crude came streaming out with some shooting up into the air like a geyser whereupon that engineer moved as fast as humanely possible to not get a drop of the crude on him, while his boss, an old salty engineer smiled and chuckled at the kid, knowing all along what was going to happen... (moral of the story: office clothes not so good for field work)

having worked most of my life at a large industrial site where there were chemicals galore (including hydrogen sulfide, ammonia, sodium cyanide, very strong caustic, chlorine, various boiler water treatment chemicals, also several lung impacting particulates like asbestos, fly ash, ground up quartz, fiberglass, coal dust, and diesel fumes, all sorts of other potential dangers like high temperature steam leaks, high pressure hydraulic oil, risks with various air and and water line breaks, sudden mechanical failures of powerful rotating equipment or close calls with heavy driven equipment, improper operations of process equipment or its isolation and line up, improper tool use or unsafe welding practices, contamination of drinking water, high voltage electrical dangers via miscommunication or mistakes, explosives handling with ammonium nitrate and dynamite that no one wants to think about going wrong, mine cave ins, fires or floods (which never turned major), last but not least worker fatigue, shift work and incomplete or rushed job training which can contribute to hairy events happening... thus I've lived right in midst of where accidents for whatever reason can and sometimes did happen even with good safety training (although not often thank god) which a lot of us don't think could normally happen (near us anyway) but they do and I've seen several 1st hand...and out of those several a certain percentage could have been gone fatal. (btw. some I heard about second hand at related location were fatal)

Bhopal India disaster: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/07/the-worlds-worst-industrial-disaster-is-still-unfolding/560726/