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they just followed orders here also: The Children of Chernobyl By Mary Kugler, RN Fact checked by James Lacy Updated on May 31, 2020 In 1986, a meltdown at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in what was then the Soviet Union showered radioactive particles all over Ukraine and neighboring countries. The children affected by the radiation have come to be known as the Children of Chernobyl. Here is a brief recap of the event and the health issues that Children of Chernobyl continue to face. Yuri Kozyrev / Getty Images The Nuclear Accident On April 26, 1986, at 1:23 a.m., an explosion and fire occurred in Reactor Number 4 of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in what is now Ukraine. Before engineers and scientists could get it under control, 190 tons of highly radioactive material were released into the atmosphere. The radioactive particles rained down not only on Chernobyl, but all over Ukraine, as well as the neighboring countries of Belarus and Russia, and drifted over to other European countries such as Poland. Scientists estimate that the amount of particles released was equivalent to 400 times the radiation from the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima. The Chernobyl accident remains the largest peacetime nuclear disaster ever. Medical Consequences The massive radiation killed 31 people within a short time, mostly plant workers and people close to the accident site who died of radiation sickness. As time passed it became clear that the accident had left a number of serious long-term health problems for the people who lived in the area. These health problems were made worse by poverty, poor nutrition, and lack of medical care in the region. Thyroid Cancer and Chernobyl Children Most people around the world have forgotten the events of 1986. People in the area, however, are reminded of the nuclear accident whenever they look at young adults born during that time. Those who were exposed to high radiation levels when they were younger than 5 years old are most likely to suffer from health consequences, including stunted growth, poor dental health, and immune disorders. Chernobyl children also had 10 times higher than the normal rate of thyroid cancer.1 Children of Chernobyl Today According to Chernobyl Children International, as of 2015, the events of 1986 continue to affect millions of people who live in the fallout zone today and more than one million children live in areas that are still contaminated.2 In Ukraine, 6,000 children are born every year with genetic heart defects. Every year, more than 3,000 Ukrainian children die from lack of medical attention. There has been a 200 percent increase in birth defects and a 250 percent increase in congenital birth deformities in children born in the Chernobyl fallout area since 1986. In Belarus, 85% of children are deemed to be Chernobyl victims (they carry genetic markers that could affect their health at any time and can be passed on to their children). UNICEF found increases in children’s disease rates, There has been a 38 percent increase in malignant tumors, a 43 percent increase in blood circulatory illnesses and a 63 percent increase in bone, muscle, and connective tissue system disorders. What the Future Holds Today, organizations such as the Chernobyl Children International work to provide medical care, medical supplies, clothing and other support for children of the Chernobyl region. It is not clear what the future of the children of the Chernobyl region will be, but for now, some are happier, healthier, and surviving illness because of the generosity of these organizations. (some say Chernobyl translated means wormwood (which is also in the Bible) but I don't know about that connotation, anyway there is this info : "Chernobyl bears poetic connotations in folklore, for a number of reasons. Its strong smell is evocative of the steppe, as various species of Artemisia are widespread there—though the town of Chornobyl is in the wooded and swampy Polissia region, quite far from the steppe. Chernobyl roots were used in folk medicine for deworming and to heal neurotic conditions, although an overdose could lead to neurological disorders, including memory loss. In Ukrainian folklore, it is used to banish the mischievous water nymphs called rusalky"

I'd say mind is only apparently complex, or complex when perception is bound to or using various mental devices...for mind is only of forms and all forms are seen through by the Self as simply and clearly as can be.

many dismiss gods (and angles) as superstition or as unimportant...but without them us humans who dismiss them as unimportant or deny them altogether would not exist. How about that catch...

what are your motives and or reasons for the things you speak of doing to contact "higher forces".

ok, but what is your motive or reason for reception and as related to purity, if you don't mind me asking?

one might question how much Buddhists are privy to concerning Hindu cosmology or that Hindus are privy to concerning Buddhist cosmology? And what is in common and what is not, (?) thus what the Buddha said or what a Hindu guru said may not cover everything which one can only know for sure by themselves through 1st hand experience.

I'd say serious because the forces in play are serious if...

the more concentrated the honesty, sincerity and need of the signal sent then the more likely that signal will be answered...for the law of the universe works to reach out to the hand that reaches for it. (then again there is that saying, "be careful what you ask for" and also "to whom much is given much is expected".

Coffee makes "me run baby run" to the nearest bathroom...

interesting but I tired of blowing my mind on much of the Abrahamic teachings and looked elsewhere. (although one could safely say Master Jesus is a golden angel like or god like being)

one could argue for the process of evolution into a god or angel like state which is found and taught in a great many schools... one could also argue that certain beings do not go through that process and remain in their position/realm from the beginning until the end.

I'd say because they came into being long before humans and helped set the stage for humans (for instance the order of being or god some know as the soul of the earth or Earth Mother...btw I'd say that "Buddha nature" if you will, is not of or dependent upon the nature of human beings or the nature of god beings. Historic Buddha honoring the Earth Mother...(per mudra)

right on the angles, especially for trig which I really like I'd add that some gods and certain beings are born/emanated that way and remain that way throughout the cosmic cycle thus never go through the valid processes you've mentioned. I'm no expert on the subject and only have limited experiences but know enough that some of the beings are compassionate and tolerant towards humans while others are are keenly stern and sharp as a razor and "do not suffer fools gladly" if at all...and then there is Lord Yama

I'd say that only certain orders of gods or angel like beings are interacting with humans, since most of them are busy in their own realms with their particular responsibilities. Also one could use the analogy that a "normal" human being meeting a 10,000 volt and 10,000 amp force could get very dicey! Whereas a high voltage human (master) so to speak can act as a safe transformer to interact with most people.

and the tormented ...

"nothing" is a problematic word to work with imo, like many other words; more so since meanings in "western" ways and "eastern" ways for the same word can vary a lot, or a word being used in the east may not even exist in the west. I would say that one of the best handles of meaning for nothing in some of these discussion's is no-thing. Having said that some of us may accept that Pure consciousness is no-thing thus not even a subtle thing or a construct (as often heard in Buddhism) and that It effortlessly understands and sees things as they are and as they change while also perpetually knowing beyond regular or mental knowing that it is not one of the myriads of things (with thoughts also being things) passing before it, or which it might also be said to be passing through in a certain sense, although not limited to the times and spaces of things.

have you read and studied the Tao Teh Ching? I would not generalize or minimize as it sounds like you have. The "One" contains all others so to speak, anyway I suggest looking at chapter 42 that points to its meaning

true religions and philosophies based on Spirit and which are vehicles for Spirit do not in any way fuel fear...and it's misleading and nihilistically cynical to say so imo. Btw and per Taoism: "Tao gave birth to One" (with everything following afterwards) thus a beginning and also a return or end, both which then cycle over and over. So if you are pointing to the "One" instead of the Tao then that was also misleading imo.

"There is only one reality in form, which is the pure consciousness which is conscious of form, and this reality is what realizes itself as formless, timeless, space-less" Gurudeva

not wild but it seems covid could get into wild cats... "Three snow leopards at the Louisville Zoo in Kentucky tested positive for COVID-19 Friday, marking the sixth animal species to be infected with the highly-contagious virus after contact with humans. The zoo said two males and a female contracted the virus and that their symptoms are currently "mild" and include wheezing and dry coughing. All three are anticipated to make a full recovery. No other animals at the zoo are exhibiting symptoms. "Recently our zookeepers noticed that our snow leopards ... were showing minor respiratory symptoms, including an occasional dry cough and wheezing. We acted immediately and had samples sent to veterinary diagnostic experts for testing," said Louisville Zoo director John Walczak. "Today we learned that our snow leopards had tested positive for the COVID virus." Despite the leopards' diagnoses, it is unlikely they pose a significant risk to zoo visitors given that the coronavirus is rarely spread between species and is most commonly transmitted between humans. At least six animal species are known to have contracted the virus after exposure to humans, including tigers, lions, cats and dogs. The virus is rarely lethal in animals, though thousands of mink have died after outbreaks at U.S. fur farms."

ok, but it sounds like the term socio-culturally is being stretched way beyond its normal meaning to me... as for the symbols many are common across many cultures. (but of course not all) Anyway to me dharma is still universal because we are all based on dharmas not unlike using the analogy that the all human beings are based on DNA . (thus what harms, corrupts or destroys DNA could be said to be "evil" to DNA and thus to the human beings that it is core to) ...although the question then arises as to what can test one to the extreme besides anti-dharma or forms of evil yet can not really harm dharmas/laws.

ok about the socio-cultural context which can be major...while I meant more along the lines of universal dharma's (or anti-dharma's) that can cut across all variations of beings, thus what is good or evil in dharmic ways. (not unlike the recognition/reaction that most beings can have when it comes to similar feelings that universal music can engender or enliven) the inverted triangle is a symbol of spirit descending or coming down. (into forms which act as filters if you will)

Is it possible to reach and maintain "Self Realization" without having been tested to the most extreme limits at some point? Going by the many accounts of various spiritual masters, gurus and in some cases everyday people, the answer is no...so who wants to jump in line and surrender their human self (or who is really prepared) for extreme tests from "the dark side"? (including from one's own dark side meaning possible fails by mind, soul, and ego's temptations to get siddhi's...also and even with the help of masters and gurus such tests in the end must still be faced - alone !)

some good points given above. Agreed with the implication that ultimately there is only one energy and at that purest level it is beyond good or evil...but as it sounds like you are implying, and make no mistake about it, that in the manifest worlds energy goes through filters, like light goes through a prism, which then results in good and evil forces at various/relative levels. So the warning of "BUT if one has not achieved the higher levels don't jump to a higher mode of working - dangerous" speaks to me of the idealistic and "dangerous" state of the unqualified assuming everything is ok because energy is ultimately pure - so how could they be hurt (?) a simple math analogy: +2 does not balance -6 in an equation