ReturnDragon

Hi Limahong, I am not sure what you were asking. I didn't mean that you are an Indian. What I had said was what you had mentioned ( the sixth and seventh chakras) is from Indian yoga.

Do you want to say it is not Wu-wei? I am sure you didn't mean that!

I thought you might be Chinese! What do you mean by inclusiveness?

I believe what you had mentioned are from the Indian yoga. The Taoist do not see it that way. Their most concern was that everything takes place or initiated in the lower datien. PS You will see what I meant in the later posts. Thank you!

The upper dantien is the head. There is not much one can control it directly. However, it can be controlled indirectly. If the chi can send to the dantien. then, it is automatically taken care by the body internally. In modern term, the extra oxygen brought into the lower dantian, so to speak, the red blood cells will bring it up to the brain cells. Thus the brain has ample of oxygen to be consumed.

Where is this phrase originated? What does it mean? Well it's origin was from the ancient Chinese Taoist. The term "Taoist" will be, hereinafter, referred as the Chinese Taoist. It is the highest realm to be acquired from Chi Kung practice. Before we move any further, we must quote the original Taoist meaning of Chi Kung. Let's say two thousand years ago or little bit longer. Chi Kung is the ultimate breathing method was discovered the Taoist. However, the term Chi Kung was not called by the Chinese Taoist at the time. FYI It was called 吐吶(tu na). It has other meanings too. I will not go into that. I just go over this esoteric term defined by the Taoist. 吐(tu) is to breathe with the abdomen fully contracted inward. 吶(na) is to breathe with the abdomen fully expanded outward. Nowadays, Chi Kung is used to replace the term tu-na. So, please disregard what you had read in the past about Chi Kung, with an open mind, for discussion sake to avoid obfuscation and confusion. Here comes the origin of the phrase "sink chi to the dantien". Let's start with the term 丹田 "dantien". The Taoist defined the upper body with three parts called dantien. The upper dantien is from the top of the head to the bottom of the neck. The middle datien is from the bottom of the neck to the bottom of the chest; and the lower dantien is from the bottom of the chest to the bottom of the abdomen. Dantien(丹田) in the term "sink chi to the datien" is understood referred as the lower datien. People forget how to breathe as they get older. The breath cannot reach to the middle or lower dantien. Thus they have breathing problem. A most healthy person can breathe down to the middle dantien was not consider to be a problem. However, a Taoist want the breath to reach the bottom datien. After a long period of beathing practice, finally, the breath has reached down to the lower dantien. The Taoist described as 氣沈丹田(Chi Sink to the Dantien). From here on, the idea of alchemy comes into play. In addition, the connect the two major meridians together and cosmic orbits are also derived from the idea of "chi sink to the dantien". That would be covered by another thread. PS I want thank starjumper and dedicate this thread to him for his contribution with his famous quote. starjumper: "Chi and air are/were the same word "

No, you didn't tell me anything. You only told me about the definition of chi but not the definition of chi gong in your own words. BTW I would like to read the post about your teacher again; but I couldn't find that post. Would you like to help me to get there? Thanks!

The highlighted in red was the most humane thing had ever come out of your mouth. I like that. Thank you very much! However, I am not quite sure what you were saying about the two different breathing methods. Would you enlighten me on that? Please!

So, do you consider deep breathing in your practice or just sometimes or depends?

I just want to hear it from the horse's mouth.

The Chinese definition of 氣功(Qigong) is always considered deep breathing within the practice. Hence, without deep breathing is not Qigong. Why is there a discrepancy? Why was the definition of Qigong, in English, disregarded deep breathing?

Yes, you are right. I just realized we don't use the same terms in our communication. At least, in our thoughts anyway.

Most definitely. Thanks again!

No one is wiser than a sage! So, one always contend.

No, I didn't hide the salami. Unfortunately, I putted it in front of the people with their eyes closed.

Of course not, It is in Trinese. That is why western Qigong is different from eastern 氣功. Now, I know I should stop wasting my breath in explaining here.

My interpretation was a sage does not contend with anyone.

Now, can we say Chi Gong is the art of breathing. Instead of energy work as the interpretation by others?

He doesn't read books like us!

Are you suggesting that we should stop practice Taiji and Qigong to prolong life?

I speak Chinese all my life. It is all over the net and books. Don't you think I knew this already. Chi has multi meaning more than ever you have known. Did you say you are an Engineer too? I am glad that you are talking sense like one!

Good question! I didn't say that. It was said by the ancient Taoist: 氣沉丹田 (Sink chi to the Dantien). The original ancient expression was used by the Taoist to describe when the abdomen expands on the inhale. It gives one the feeling that the breath was down deep in the belly(dantien). If it was interpreted other wise, sorry to say, all the related interpretations and practices become invalid.

I am wondering did the masters write those books. I am seeing lots of TDB bought lots of books. How do they understand them is a different story. One can find the salami by the sense of smell if sensitive enough. What is hidden do not need to look for. It can be known by self intuition.

Please describe how are you doing on your breathing. How deep can you breathe? At this point, it is very important to know how far down can you breathe. 1. Is your breath deep down to your throat? 2 Is your breath deep down to your chest? 3. Is your breath deep down to your belly? Let me know, then, we go from there!