Salvijus

If you're trying to make me understand something. Just say it what it is. Or I will just assume my logic is correct. Calling transformation of body appearance - transappearance is actually very valid. And no amount of apple trees are going to change invalidate that logic.

I don’t get why you talk about the apple tree tho. Just look at the logic. Body appearance has been transformed through medical intervention or whatever else method. So what's wrong with calling it transappearance?

Yes. So you see. Apple tree changed its appearance not it species. So it's transappearance not transspecies.

Mmm... So? Why would calling the changing of body appearance through medical intervention transbodyappearance is incorrect? It literally means. Transforming body appearance. And that literally is what happens.

But I fail to see what am I missing. It is the appearance of the body that is being changed not the identity. So it's technically a trans-body-appearance.

You literally just sayed "we transform our appearance to fit our identity" so technically it should be called transappearance not transgender. No gender has been transformed only the appearance of the body has been transformed during the medical intervention. Or am I missing something? Another thing I realized is that the only way you can be transgender is if you become enlightened. That's the only time you can shift and transform your identity into something else. The world is using all the concepts backwards lol.

@surrogate corpse Reading your posts made contemplate and I realized that we all desire to have our appearance be in accordance to our identity. Some carry the identity of "tough guy" so they seek to have tattoos and big muscles and even speak in a certain manner. All to form a certain appearance. Others are obsessed with spirituality so they wear wizard robes and what not. They want to be seen like that. Others identify with being "elite" so they wear class and brandy clothers and expensive watches maybe etc. Each choice for appearance, dressing style, our hair style, body shape and form is all about being a reflection of what we identify with. I realized transgenderism should called transappearace instead. It would be a more accurate description of the phenomena isn't it. _________________________________________ Now to adress your last comment. I see what you're saying that certain appearances can be met with lots of judgement in the world. Like wearing wizard clothes could invite lots of roasting at you. And to stay true to what you want to look like despite all the judgements being thrown at you requires certain level transcendce of fear. And that way we become more authentic. That is very good imo. Perhaps one thing that is also worth adding is. Our appearance and outlook probably contains many elements that are not a reflection of natural mind but a reflection of distortions of various degrees in our mind. And that it's perhaps wise to keep a lose grip on our appearance because it's anyways going to change many times as we go through the process of turning the mind into the natural state without any distortions. In the meantime, having a desire to look according to our inner condition is natural. Appearance that doesn't fit our inner environment can can be very uncomfortable.

That's an interesting perspective. It made me think. Indeed it could be that some are afraid to wear the clothes they want to wear, the clothes that reflect their inner state because they feel it would look outrageous and socially unacceptable. And the fear is making them conform to the "norm". In such a case going beyond the fear and embracing what your heart wants to wear is a very good act towards authenticity and can play a role in transcending fear based identity. This logic can be applied to transformation of the body aswell. So that's a nice way to look at it. But here's the thing. Your outlook could be a reflection of a messed up mind or ego aswell. For example, if you have lots of hate in you, you might wear "fuck you" t-shirt that day and feel good about it. You will think. Yea that's my authentic self. And in a way it is. But it will be the reflection of the ego(distorted mind) not the real you (natural mind). And probably such a person would feel much more comfortable and happier in "fuck you" t-shirt rather than "I love you" t-shirt. The "I love you" t-shirt might make them puke. And probably they will defend that outlook a lot. And the question would follow. Is movement in this direction have value towards happyness you're really looking for? Sometimes what people call happiness can be seen as "fool's gold" aswell. Interesting stuff. This is getting deep.

There is no context or situation in the world where search for truth would be bad or inappropriate. But for the record, I do put a lot of effort to be as gentle as I can and tip toe around all the triggers people might have. I do apologize if I'm not doing it perfectly. It's not easy.

True. I like what you sayed before also that it takes awareness to stop clinging to false things. I believe it's possible to have discussions that make people reflect and question things deeper and that in turn is what brings results. How wonderful is that huh?

Nobody is going to drown in the middle of the river by deepening their understanding. If fact genuine inquiry is what will get you to the other side. I don't think that analogy applies well here.

Wow. That's so scary. And btw this understanding is your own aswell. I could even quote you saying things on this thread earlier in complete alignment with what I'm saying about identity. I'm applying your own understanding to talk about this subject.

I'm not following what you're trying to say here. The thing is. The nature of the topic in this thread will naturally draw the type of questions and conversations that are happening. Why would you find it strange that a thread about identity was met with questions about identity? And there's nothing "spiritual woo woo" about talking about identity. It's just a question of what's the truth of the matter. Also I'm under the impression that the discussions of what is the truth regarding different topics, ideas, teachings, information, perceptions happen on every thread on this forum and not just this one.

It's not ridicule, belittling, judgement, condemnation in disguise. It's a call for deeper awareness in disguise. And I personally thought the terminology being used is very appropriate to the topic and simple to understand aswell.

This thread is special indeed. But with auspiciousness not with shaming.

I believe no matter what mask(identity) one wears it's still not the real thing and it doesn't make one any more real. But it's debatable matter. Each thing we find in ourselves that is untrue is an ausipicious opportunity to become more true. It's a moment of celebration to all who love truth and light. Nothing but enouregment and support should be given to such people imo.

"Real" would be the word i use. Being real is good in all situations imo.

"Everything but illusion" would make more sense imo.

I think it means doing the Jing chi shen. First you cultivate Jing, health. You make the body strong and healthy. Open the joints, stretch the body, make it more conductive, flexible etc. This leads to better flow of chi. Better flow of chi is faster purification and transformation of deep layers of the body. And all that leads to heightened awareness. And state of peace and all that shen stuff. Opposite is also true. Cultivating equanimity and awareness leads to clearing of blocks, clearing of blocks leads to better flow of chi. Better flow of chi leads to transformation and better health. I'm not an expert on daoiam tho.

This thread alone is the proof that people can be inspired to observe and self-reflect and question something deeper. That is very auspicious in my view. This thread is full of auspicious moments imo.

Wisdom right there

Haha, now that's honesty that's something I can bow down to lol. I'm full of shit too. Feels good to come clean sometimes. 😅

You can point out I have 20 arms. And i'm going to reflect on it with sincerity. But it does not mean I'm going to agree with it. Similarly I'm just giving some suggestions to reflect on. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. Just look for yourself. Make your own conclusions. That's what matters.

Well. I thank you from the bottom of my heart that you pointed out that I was critical. I reflected on it. And I failed to see how that is true. I just don't see it. Sorry. If you wish you can help me see it and I will reflect on it again.

I do seriously consider all comments. If I'm doing something out of line. I welcome everyone to point it out and I will reflect on it with all sincerity. I suppose it's the critism that you feel is my problem. But I don't see any criticism being made. All I did was propose a possibility that a particular behavior might not be as cute as it appears on the surface. That there might be something to look at more closely. Btw I have no judgement for people acting in unenlightened fashion. I'm myself full of shit and ego. But putting the light where another person is indulging in ego might be a very positive thing. If you take it the right way.