Salvijus

I'm open to all possiblities. I'm just throwing some possibilities out there to consider and reflect on. Something inside me thought she would benefit from this introspection. See how good hearted I am? Haha. Your welcome

I'm not concerned with what people's goals are. I'm concerned with finding opportunities to bring some light where I feel called to express myself.

Yea that could be part of it. But perhaps there is something more to it. Because there are people who like what they see in the mirror and have no need to show off. Just as a comparison example.

Could be the need for approval at play. Wanting to be liked and accepted. Constantly looking at the mirror. Wanting to show off etc. But we have already discussed that we can't act enlightened until we are. So some display of ego is expected I guess. To quote Maddie. Bringing awareness to our clinging is what will eventually take us into wisdom.

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I'm actually satisfied with this. Especially the darkened part. And with the whole conversation in general. It was quite a turn around I did not expect haha. I feel this would be a positive place to wrap things up for me. Ending things on a positive note you know lol.

Perhaps I should add where this question is coming from. It's coming because I observe many people fight and trying really hard to prove to everyone they are male or female or something in between. They fight tooth and nail to be accepted as this or that. That's why I want to ask. Is it even important to fight for it, when all identity is ultimately unreal? I hope this question is still okay.

I accept that identity simply is. Whatever it is. A man, a woman, an alien. I agree. Identity simply is. But how much should we cling to it and make it super important. If all identity is false in the end (according to buddha)

I see. It's what Luke sayed as well. We can't identify with our true self because we're not enlightened yet. I totally agree with that idea. I even raised the question to him already. How much effort should we put on defending, decorating, advocating our false temporary identity then?

What I was really asking is. If we accept that some spiritual traditions say our true identity is pure awareness/presence(advaita) . Or if we accept that all identity is false (buddhism). Or that our true nature is love(Christianity). The question I want to ask. How much importance should be given to our ego male/female identity. How much should we fight and defend our ego and try to convince everyone to be regarded as an identity which is ultimately false, and arguably is no different then our ego. (the last part is debatable tho, I'm not sure if it's true)

But you exist as something right. Even if you have no identity. You still exist. As what? The spirituality that I follow would say. As existence. Or as pure consciousness. Which is the same as Buddha's emptyness. But we don't need to go down that road. I think this topic would be a distraction.

I'm familiar with this teaching of buddha somewhat aswell. Does buddha mention that identity is a made up thing and ultimately unreal and in truth there is no you, just emptyness? Another way to phrase it. Does buddha say that every identity is not real?

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That's actually good point. And thank you for putting the effort to undetstand my question without overreacting. It makes sense that we cant be our true self until enlightenment. But what do you propose is the best thing to do in the meantime?

That's a difficult question. I think i identify myself with my ego. And ego is a weird thing. It can be either male or female. I believe ego is a made up thing after all. For practical purposes i identify as a male when I go to the bathroom.

Please I will try to explain it in the most gentle way i can. Bear with me please. First i did not dismiss the textbook answer. I actually accepted it. Their definition is that "gender is what you identify with". Okay. I have accepted it. Now i rised another question. Wouldnt it make more sense to identify with pure awareness rather than male or female? If you find this question offencive please let me know. Im really trying to ask the question in a most gentle way i can.

By reading this in a fast manner i get the sense that their answer is. "gender is what you identify with." You know... This for me rises a question. In spirituality it is sayed, your true identity is neither male or female. It is pure awareness. Or in buddism it would say your identity is totally nothing. Then I wonder. Wouldnt that be a much better identity to take on? And a more truthful one?

Like "what defines gender" i believe is an interesting one. With many different opinions. And many perspectives. And i tend to approch this question from the position that i don't know an answer to it or saw a completly satisfying one yet.

I think you'd benefit from the material you're mocking.

Because according to you listening to eckhart tolle and psychology is somehow cringe and laughable? Never heard such a strange comment before.

Another irony i see is that you guys consider yourselves very patient, tolerant, loving, friendly, righteous and open minded people. And yet all i see from you is just mocking and name calling. Lol... The idea of being on good terms not is even remotely appealing. Lol again. And then you pretend this is a place for an open discussion of transgenderism. Pfff... What a joke

I think there are certain questions that threaten you and then you guys get triggered and defensive. You believe someone came here to 'attack' you. Some scary troll. A boogyman lol. But ultimatly it's just insecurity and fragile foundation that can't handle genuine inquirying. This whole thread looks to more like an attempt to find approval and support for transgenderism rather than an honest inquirying into the truth of the matter. And who but ego would feel insecure and in need of alliance and support? Something to think about.

I see... A bit sad. But I take from your responses that you guys would rather stay on bad terms. Okay. If you so desire have it your way. I'm leaving this. Tcare

Holding grudges would be ego. Forgiveness would be the truth. And I sayed, I wasn't going to hold grudges and let these things go. But you're right. It is the ego that gets hurt. The important part is to forgive and move beyond it.

Btw, I'm was not whining about you guys roasting me. But it does hurt.