Dalmat

Hm, I found this series long after I stop with ZZ, and there is no difference between my doing and the Masters doing.

Sooo, I was in Mountains and I apologise for my late respond... Oh, "Fuckwith is a name, not a verb as I supposed. I have to admit, this kind of conversation isn't Tao at all, but maybe I didn't get it right. Anyhow, let's start this conversation from point zero. Why am I here at all, why am I trying to learn Qigong? As a kid, 8 years old I started with taekwon do. With 17 I fought on state level in Full contact, but at the same time I found out "something completly diferent" - cave exploring, what showed me that there are juicier chalenges than beating (or getting beated) someone betwen the ropes. I continued training just to stay in good shape. Now (for more than 20 years) I have PTSD; I found myself in depression, without no anger controle, and, as I'm not small guy, I was walking danger. Especially with my MA knowledge. So, I started to use Zen meditation, and skiped to Aikido. During times I tried, in cronical orrder: Tantra, Falun Gong, 5 Tibetans, Jade body Qigong, Ba gua, ZZ, and so on. Now I'm on Fragrant QG. My goals are to be calm, in control, life full and healthy and energised. So, can anyone direct me. And yes, I live in apendix of Europe, so I can learn only from books and youtube.

So, can you name some of that better ways?

Here - It was the only way. There is a Tai Chi group in town and it's the nearest thing to my interests, but I didn't like the way they are doing, and the teacher is actually an instructor.

Yes, that book. Maybe an earlier edition, I belive that master Lam was on front page, but I'm not sure.

To be honest, it looks like bothering people. I newer thought about it.

The book was the only way for me. And it left impression that it will be enough to learn ZZ. But, it was just an impression, as I see and as You said.

Thanks for encouraging Earl, Flying Phoenix looks like something I could like. I've tried, or better to say I did ZZ for a few months, only first 4 postures (and I learned it from a book) it was nice and calming and also challenging. My plan for now is to stick to FG, and see how the level 2 works and then try something with more flow. Phoenix it may be...

Haha, thx Earl! I'm 49. No, by fighting I meant to stick with something, try to remember the flow, check the posture and gesture, breathing... In Fragrant Qi gong (what is great and I'm fascinated about it) it's just hand work, no effort, no concentration, I just check the stop watch. And about my martial expereance, I started taekwon do with 7, with 17 a trained with Branko Cikatic (google him, he won K1 twice), after that Aikido, and now, pushed with midlle age crisis I'm doing som workout again. I also tried Zhan Zhuan but... it was to statick for me. Thx anyway!

Thx. But it's kind of boring this way, I need some kind of "fighting" while cultivating. I'll try to hold on, in may I'm expecting to move to level two, but I feel like soon I'm gonna need more "psychonautick" way of training. (sorry for my english).

I understand... So I'll have to act...and find another, more suitable qi gong.

Wow. I don't wanna be a Master, I just wanna learn the 3th level. I'm stil on first level, and I feel how powerfull it can be, but I also feel a big lack of hard cultivation. No meditations, no visualisations, no calming the mind, just waving with hands. I realy need the 3th level. (I know that I put to many "I" in my post, but thing are as they are).

Great!! So I'll have to go to China for 3th level?!?

Thx Earl. Yes i spoted John at first time I came to this forum. And I'm doing Fragrant QG right now. Maybe one day I'll collect money to go to Australia to learn the 3rd level.

No that part is OK for now. We are all divided on Us and Them. Us are little people, and Them are the politicians, in all six ex Yugoslavia countries.

Ha ha ha... It's all about macho mentality here. When man shows tolerance it can be explained like he is week and than he get (or can get) some idiots who will raise their ego by provoking or even atacking him. For exmple, I came to gas station to pump air in my tires, and a guy came with his "wanna be gagsta" BMW park behind me and, like there is no car on the pamping place start to pump his tires. I smiled and said something about in what kind of hurry he must be, without irony. He said something really unokonvinient and I just smiled beck. Then came the shootgun seat guy uot and asked me pretty aggresive that is there any problem. My usually answer in that case would be: "no but your'e just gonna get one". Instead I said just"Not really". Then came the third guy from beckseat out and asked me what's my problem... I smiled again and told him to ask his friend. So, I'm not small man, and familiar with martial arts, I could eassy take them all thre down with less then six punches, but it wasn't just awoiding figt according to FG teachings, I really didn't see a need for fight, but if I had drowing back they will surely atack me. So I said to them that I didn't spend years in war (I'm an ex soldier, war veteran) to get f#$%ed by them, and that my action will be the last in thet conflict. They stuck back and went away without pumping their back tires, but they also didn't flew away. So here, as the lots of young people see - empathy is for pussies and tolerance is weakness. Hope I explained it well.

My experience about FG; I tried it in mid 90's, had no internet, only book and DVD. Just got off of Tantra and got run into FG. First what I've recognised was the energy; newer had that feeling of rush when I put my tongue on palate. So I concluded that this is very powerful. After some time my health was better. But master's Li writings to me sounded like pretty cult like and a bit messed up. I quit when I've seen that the tolerance thing (I live on Balkan) is hard to work out. So what did I get of FG? I certainly became a better human being: don't lie, have more tolerance, comprehension and empathy. And I have a new experience and perspective.

Hi everybody, I'm a lone (qi gong) wolf from Croatia, Dalmatia, to be exact - from town of Split. At this moment I'm on fragrant Qi Gong, but i tried lott's of stiles, even did Falun Gong for a while. And I climb. Sorry for my English, it has past a few decades when I left school. Realy glad to find this forum.