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I stole the idea from you!

First, sorry but I am one of the insufferable knowitalls on this site, so this might sound bad. Elliott has combined hindu/buddhist and chinese systems, and although some of his general thought is very interesting, in my opinion (backed by how it is done in my practice), it is incomplete and have some interesting variations I would not care to practice myself. If this statement does not offend you too much, you can always pm me and we can discuss his book. 😁 Zhui Hui (I just refreshed my memory online, so the name might be wrong, it has been years since I investigated this method) practiced a method from Wudang: Wuji Qigong/Primordial Qigong/Tai Chi for liberation. He taught four Americans (in a really short setting): Jahnke, Bollo, Cohen and Winn. According to Jahnke, they promised him not to teach (probably the alchemical aspect) all of it. I have had some mail contact with an instructor from one of these (the form have overlaps with my practice), and as far as I could tell (the same with books and dvds on the form) they kept the promise. I haven't seen Winns material, my bank refused to go through with the payment to the Healing Tao account because of european anti-terrorist laws (!). Milton teaches basically the same form, but had another chinese instructor if I remember right.

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Hi! Is it a method from Elliott, Zhui Hui, Milton or from another source?

It warms my heart to see how people chip in on this thread to unearth sacred information on behalf of another forum member.

You wrap up your sleeves, take a breath, and build anew. And with that background, find some support, it is easier to walk a trodden path than to make one on ones own. And walk slowly.

The last blue turtle on the other hand would be Uncas, and with that remark I have affronted both the gay society and the Native Americans in the same thread. 😢

I'm on my phone, otherwise I would link Sting Song of the blue turtle, 'cause that's what the last rating post was all about. A Sting fan, you could just have said so 😁

The Blue Oyster Club?

Yes, you see when you have more posts you get access to the secret forum where we get together for that. But really, you have to rant more interesting to get answers. Like: Start a Mo Pai thread.

No matter why, that can be amended. Those are not needed in this instance, they are way down the line. Probably. More interesting is, what can one do about it. You might find methods from the martial arts to be most direct in this case. Care for some San Ti? Xing Yi is fun. 😁

Yes, but it is also likely it is a dude trying to feel young en route of having sex with a younger woman, which is probably why women state such a thing on an app. Meeting IRL is different (and I am 10 years older than my whife for 16 years and was hopelessly immature in my 20-ties).😁

Why should they? Would you have dated a woman over 40 when in your 20-ties?

I believe that with power you can relax into benevolence, while without pover one can use it as a mask. So on the surface the same, but it can root in different states. If I recall right, the character "de" in Dao De Jing can be translated as both power and virtue, and if so, that would be somewhere in line with my thought.

And then we kill the angels and realise we are true human beings.

Maybe you just lack power? It is easy to hide in love and benevolence if one lack power, because one realise that without the power to do, passivity is the only option left. This is testable: Learn a combat effective martial art, and see what happens inside. 😁

Anyone who is a part of such a tradition might be reluctant to name it on a forum. Absolutely not. But sometimes a tradition keep a name although the content is something else. Like a vegetarian meatball. Yes, I agree. And a couple of generations down, it becomes (truth) legend.

I wrote Ming AND Xing practice, so this is a strawman argument. And while golden might be a reference to a gold light/energy body (that is what you are referring to, right), gold as the uncorruptable metal is also probably a reference to the substance (poor choice of word) of the Elixir itself.

So am I. 😁 But I had a quote from a Chan master saying that although the energetic aspect is experienced in Chan practice, it is not seen as important in the end but is just an "expediant mean" (I might have got that expression wrong) and for that reason it is not written about. I don't seem to find the source for that info right now. It can also be that those Chan practitioners interested in the subject crossed over to Daoism, as in the history of Wu liu pai.

I understood that as if you said one needed only one technique, since I understand a tradition being a compilation of methods that (hope fully) work well together and enables you to reach the goal of that tradition. Good that you cleared that one up😊 Sorry, translational issue. That should have been "inferior virtue", referring to adulthood when jing, qi and shen has been (partially) consumed and should be replenished.

So you know a single method that covers clearing the vessels and allow for replenishing, and allows for refining/transmuting jing, and for r/t qi, and for r/t shen? 😎 And it is a method that makes the step from houtian methods to xiantian Ming exercises redundant (the step I thought was missing in your description) so one can move straight into xing? From a Daoist Nei Dan perspective, for an individual with low virtue, is that possible? Or did you intend to include that part in your description, and I just missed it?

Is it so? I thought that when daoists write about Jindan, translated as the golden Elixir, it is still about the Ming and Xing practice.

And yet there are records of for example a commentary to the Cantong Qi written by a Chan buddhist, and quite a few records of people doing cross training and how buddhist practice has been influenced by other methods.

Laying the foundations. If I understand it right, there is a step here that is skipped. Absolutely.

Any xing yi quan near you?