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BKF learned that from a teacher that only had two students, which make this really unlikely. MW must mix this up with another form, perhaps primordial qigong which a handful of US teachers had the chance to learn?

Likely that pieces was missing. I once spent six full days learning the six symmetrical movements of Gods playing in the sky, and the teacher said that there were much more to learn. Isn't Wild Goose a really long form (128?), with more complex external movements? It is supposed to be straight forward, at least that is what I have heard. Yes, if you are sensitive, working with the basic layer of a complex form might feel like it is lacking. And if it the form actually work with reversals, that in it self might feel unnatural in the beginning. Or, you can't deepen the effect if you don't know the intricacies of the method. The effect is the result, not the doing in it self.

Probably Or won't tell. What if Wild Goose did not evolve as a medical qigong, but as a spiritual gong? In that scenario, assymetrical is logical.

Does this imply that instead of harnessing strength and cultivating life force, a cultivator should embrace weakness? And if sexuality is an issue, why not postpone celibacy until your level of practice supports it? Food for thought: If eating meat and being around women will steal the alchemical pill, there might not be an alchemical pill to start with.

My first thought was "bend over", but I guess that is not what you are after? No, not in a way that in any way resembles this description.

Different areas do different things, at different stages of your practice. And this differs between different practices, which have different purposes and lead to different places. Regarding that, the question is hard to answer, because "any kind of cultivation exercise" might use any kind of approach. Most practitioners will follow what they were taught by their teacher. And we can discuss which approach is superior. If a teacher haven't told you the specifics, I would vouch for a soft focus in the lower abdomen. That is actually a great start, laying the foundation for more interesting methods.

Practice less. Take more walks.

@sean I would like a PPD please.

Yes, but you changed subjects. And the title on the thread, which means I am out.

Aerobics is good for the elderly to enhance mitochondrial function? Nothing about abdominal breathing, and when it comes to abdominal breathing, increased blood oxygenation is not the main mechanism for increased energy unless you have some sort of disease, for example with the lungs. But nice try.

I know quite a lot about abdominal breathing. My earlier statement still stands.

That is not likely. This is a spiritual forum, and the process has already started to make the OP such a large subject that this will likely end like a big mess. But please go on, you considered the mitochondria.

Both are equally valid 😁

An ungreateful bitch, remorseless and ever changeing.

This is no longer a physiological truth, it has been falsified. Unless you have a pulmonary disease, the amount of blood oxygen is not the defining factor. Regulatory system function on the other hand. As in: Regulate the body. Regulate the breath. Regulate the mind. The basics of internal arts. Reference?

Cell respiration will happen whether you do qigong/neigong or not, so what affects that? Everyone eats, drinks, breathes. And even bed-ridden people have it.

There is more, like how you can measure what happens when you are meditating (slow breathing combined with awareness) and how that allows for hierarchial organisation of bio-frequences which allows for better bodymind communication. Or how the enteric nervous system affect functional networks in the brain, networks that (probably) have a lot to do with how the mind senses and regulates the body. (Again, breathing slowly and placing your attention in the belly.) There is a lot of this now, making bridges between chinese thought and physiology.

Any attempt I have ever seen in the last 20 years when someone have tried to fit "qi" in to one specific physiological process have failed miserably. It doesn't work like that, chinese medicine does not fit in a reductionalistic (can you say so?) model.

Just for the sake of argument: We have the body-mind-spirit continuum, and we have different cultural approaches to describing this. In the Western societies, the quantitative approach has been dominating for quite a long time. That in its turn is the result of the christian church which claimed monopoly on spiritual matters. This is starting to change, for example we can now prove that the mind/brain doesn't experience that the body ends with the skin, but maps the area around the body thus validating the qualitative experience of the energy body. Seeing it from another perspective, hindu and chinese descriptions differ, as (as far as I can tell, haven't gone deep into this) does different shamanic traditions. In the end we are describing the living body, so it is natural that the different traditions will converge.

I would widen my perspective: Jing-Qi-Shen, Blood, Jin-Ye (fluids). Then you have mitochondria, epigenetics, breathing, bio wave harmonics, a couple of regulation systems,... ....

The essentials of the shortcut to the great achievement (part 6) is a very good description.

What you gonna tell your dad It's like a wheel of fortune What you gonna tell your dad If this wheel lets you down

Seems like a dose of non-violent communication would solve a lot of these issues. My favourite method will always be someone elses heavily watered down method, even between established lineages you see this. But how we communicate this sets the stage.

Good point.